Christ isn't as explicit as you make him out to be regarding the Sabbath, nor is Paul. A conversation around the topic is focused around scripture not tradition and nothing but scripture is used to show that we are not under sabbath law then verses that conflat words like "God's commandments" are use for proof texts to prove otherwise (but fail). I bring up Ignatius to refute this idea that Constantine is behind it and I'm accused of not using scripture and clinging to ideas of the pope.
I didn't bring up any pope. Ignatius was not Catholic (as there was no such thing then) he was a disciple of John.
You keep avoiding and refusing to address the very point of my post. We are warned over and over again from Gen. to Rev., about listening to the religious philosophies of the religious men of the world we were born into. You are promoting ancient religious philosophies from men regarding God's Sabbaths. Not the God of the Bible. If the Word of God was all we had, with no Prophesied "other voice", it would be a no brainer. There would be no question about the importance of God's Holy Sabbath that HE created for men.
My point was to show in the Holy Scriptures that neither Ignatius, nor Constantine, nor the Catholics, nor Mainstream Christianity, were the first to reject and/or pollute God's Holy Sabbaths. Religious men of this world have been rejecting and Polluting God's Holy Sabbath long before these religious philosophers came along.
This is a Biblical Fact that "many" simply refuse to consider. I think it is mistake just to omit Biblical Truths from our mind, because they may not align with a particular religious philosophy we have adopted.
As for Ignatius being a Disciple of John, which means he was a Disciple of Christ. You have absolutely no way to substantiate that claim. He may well be one who "Transformed himself into an Apostle of Christ" that Paul warns of, that I have posted, and that you have completely ignored as if hid words don't exist.
Since you don't believe God's Sabbath is Holy for you and to HIM, it stands to reason that you would gravitate to any voice which believes and preaches the same.
It seems to me, we should place our trust in the Christ Himself who said "Man shall LIVE BY Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God". Another doctrine taught by Jesus that was pretty much rejected by the religions of the land Jesus was born into, and the religions of the land I was born into.
There is a problem with mass misunderstanding of what the sabbath is and certainly Catholics play a historic role in this, but well before those canon laws the sabbath was not kept by gentile Christians and no one cares to address this.
Again, you have nothing from Scriptures to support this belief. In fact, if we were to just rely on Scriptures alone, we would find the opposite to be true.
Acts 15:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled,(Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses)
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Of course the Christ's Disciples would send the Gentiles to hear Moses, because this is exactly what Jesus instructed them to do.
Matt. 23:
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
There is no where in the Bible that says God's Laws were only written for men of certain DNA. The Jewish Philosophers thought that, the Catholic's believe that, Mainstream Christianity preaches that. But not the Holy Scriptures.
So your statement "the sabbath was not kept by gentile Christians" is a religious philosophy of man, and religious tradition of man, a religious doctrine of man. Not the Word of God which became Flesh.
2 Tim. 2:
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
In what world does the foundation of God not include His Holy Sabbath. Only in the religious philosophies of men we are warned to "beware of".
No one also cares to address how anything above essential use of things like electricity, phone, internet... creates a demand on the Sabbath that requires people to work for these services to exist which dishonors the sabbath. Apparently that's too far yet the sabbath law points to just that.
Awe yes. God must not have known the world of our time, like the world of OT times, would still be polluting His Sabbaths, when HE created it for man. God must not have known there would be electricity or internet when HE created HIS Sabbath for man.
In fact, according to modern Christianity, the God of the Bible is a tyrant. He came to Abraham's Children in Egypt, and did wonders to gain their trust in Him. And those who trusted Him enough to follow Him out of Egypt, He slammed them with unjust Laws impossible to follow, even though HE told them they could obey if they Loved Him. He saved them from Egypt only to enslave them with Laws so many in number, and so impossible to follow that Israel couldn't obey. You imply in your religious philosophy that God Lied to them, deceived them into believing they could obey HIM, then when they didn't, HE slaughtered them by the thousands. So Jesus had to come and "SAVE" them, not from their own stubborn stiff necked prideful refusal to accept HIM as their better. But Jesus had to come SAVE them from the LAWS God placed on their necks.
This is the deception sir. This is the teaching of the "other voice" in the garden. Not the Holy Scriptures.
So now, according to you, I must do what, to keep His Sabbath Holy? Dig a hole in the ground and bury myself after I've taken all the food out of my freezer, shut the power off my house? You are basically saying it is impossible to obey God's Commandments in this time, which is the very foundation of the "other voice" in the garden. According to your religious philosophy here, I couldn't even burn a candle because some one has to make it, and since the factories which make the candle work on the SDabbath, I couldn't even burn a candle.. So there you are. It is impossible to keep the Sabbath according to the religious philosophers you rely on.
But I have read God's word regarding His Sabbath. What it is for, how to honor God in it. I already know the World hates God and His Sabbaths, just as they hate many of His instructions. I know God is not the deceiver, that HIS Commandments and Laws were written "For my Sake no doubt". In fact, all God's Laws were written specifically for the New Covenant Church, for "our admonition". At least according to the Christ of the Bible.
You aren't the first religious philosopher to pollute or misrepresent God's Sabbaths. The Pharisees of Christ's time actually promoted a Sabbath in which a man couldn't walk through a corn field and pick a blackberry or ear of corn to eat. In Their Sabbath they couldn't even help a brother in need.
So the practice of polluting God's Sabbaths, or misrepresenting them, is an ancient religious tradition of men. At least according to the Christ of the bible.
If the convenience is causing someone to work then it is against the sabbath and the sabbath is not kept. No one wants to talk about that one and pretent that it doesn't matter. If the sabbath law is important then it does matter.
I am talking about it. What you don't want to acknowledge is all the warnings I have posted about listening to the religious philosophies of men.
