Divorce according to the Bible

Carl Emerson · Jan 1, 2021

For serious study on this issue the Papers released by Bill Heth are an important reference...

Papers attached.

Ashley Amos · Jan 1, 2021

JohnDB said:
John 8 is highly contested scripture. Most Bibles have footnotes explaining this. Why would you use the most contested scripture to form a very condemning theology? And condemnation is ALWAYS risky in a NT era.

And your creating a whole new meaning out of "Put Away" for a wife is in direct conflict with scriptures AND every anthropologist that has studied the Ancient Near East.

So...
Considering the King of England who commissioned the English translation of the scriptures
And
Considering that God is Immutable
And
Stoning of adulterers
And
You don't have any real knowledge of what "Put Away" means
And
You are using highly contested scriptures as proofs of a highly doubtful theology

I'm doubting your answers for divorce and remarriage.

Please provide me with one scripture that proves Jesus condoned stoning please if not then I think your just annulling scripture. He should of done or said something at least once to condone it? If not your experts think I’m dumb enough to believe them over Jesus. Nope not gonna do it. But it’s your choice. Jesus stated in John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?
If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and Scripture cannot be set aside--

You cannot set any scripture aside just because it does not suit your argument.

dayhiker · Jan 1, 2021

When Jesus was speaking about adultery men were putting away their wives and not divorcing them. Why? because when they married a wife the wife came with a dowry. The men were selfish and didn't want to give that dowry back to the woman. So they didn't divorce her. They just put her away as in sending her away. Now she wasn't divorce so if another man married her they were committing adultery because she was still married.
There was other things going on as well, but any interpretation of what Jesus said has to include this information as well.

NerdGirl · Jan 1, 2021

Ah, how easy it is to proclaim what others should do!

Ashley Amos · Jan 1, 2021

dayhiker said:
When Jesus was speaking about adultery men were putting away their wives and not divorcing them. Why? because when they married a wife the wife came with a dowry. The men were selfish and didn't want to give that dowry back to the woman. So they didn't divorce her. they just put here away as in sending her away. Now she wasn't divorce so if another man married her they were committing adultery because she was still married.
There was other things going on as well, but any interpretation of what Jesus said has to include this information as well.

Please provide scripture otherwise it’s just conjecture. Since this would be adultery on the mans behalf.

NerdGirl · Jan 1, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
Stephen was not stoned by followers of Christ was he?

Can you show me any scripture where Jesus does condone stoning?

And lastly Moses mandates divorce for any reason at all but Jesus reformed divorce to how it originally was intended to be which is no divorce unless a wife commits adultery.

Stoning - bad.
Forcing a woman to choose between a life with an abusive husband or a life of celibate loneliness - good.

Okay then.

JohnDB · Jan 1, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
Please provide me with one scripture that proves Jesus condoned stoning please if not then I think your just annulling scripture. He should of done or said something at least once to condone it? If not your experts think I’m dumb enough to believe them over Jesus. Nope not gonna do it. But it’s your choice. Jesus stated in John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?
If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and Scripture cannot be set aside--

You cannot set any scripture aside just because it does not suit your argument.

Hear oh Israel
The Lord
The Lord God is One.

So Jesus was just as much an author of the Old Testament as He was the New Testament.

In the Beginning was the word. The Word was God.
Verse 14 "The Word became flesh".

What I'm saying is that you cannot use a flat reading of the Matthew passage and develop a theology from it.
I admire your dedication to scripture...but that's still not getting the full meaning from it. You need to apply full hermeneutic principles in order to understand why it was translated in the manner it was and by whom.
And then become congruent with the rest of scriptures from the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Because what Jesus said was the Gospel message... Gospel means "Good News".

Nowhere in scripture is divorce and remarriage equated to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
All sorts of sins and transgressions of men will be forgiven except for divorce and remarriage?

Sketcher · Jan 1, 2021

Leet said:
If a man or woman is being abused physically, sexually or emotionally within their marriage, I'd be very leery of anyone who insisted they stay. And to further punish said person (and anyone else they meet) for leaving by insisting on a life of loneliness? It takes two people to maintain a marriage, even if at times it takes one to end it.

Jesus didn't say that someone who is being physically abused has to stay, but he clearly said that remarriage is not an option for divorced people as long as the ex still lives. And he also condemned murder. Living by his commandments is not punishment, though there is no promise that doing so is easy.

Sketcher · Jan 1, 2021

Ashley Amos said:

I'll also say that those who either reject these verses or who try an reinterpret them to say something else are no better than those who try and claim that homosexual relationships between consenting adults are good. As I try to be consistent, I condemn them both.

Carl Emerson · Jan 1, 2021

Sketcher said:
he clearly said that remarriage is not an option for divorced people as long as the ex still lives

People who have been divorced by an unbelieving partner who enters an adulterous relationship are no longer bound to the marriage.

Carl Emerson · Jan 1, 2021

Sketcher said:
I'll also say that those who either reject these verses or who try an reinterpret them to say something else are no better than those who try and claim that homosexual relationships between consenting adults are good. As I try to be consistent, I condemn them both.

You might like to read the Bill Heth's papers a result of years of devoted study of this matter.

Personally judging folks who don't agree with your views really doesn't help your cause...

Sketcher · Jan 1, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
People who have been divorced by an unbelieving partner who enters an adulterous relationship are no longer bound to the marriage.

Matthew 19:9 says if your partner cheats, you may be free of the marriage, and hints that you might not be committing adultery, and in every other case, you are definitely committing adultery. But Matthew 5:32 says that a man who cheats on his wife and divorces her to marry another makes her commit adultery. So I'm not 100% on that.

JohnDB · Jan 1, 2021

Sketcher said:
I'll also say that those who either reject these verses or who try an reinterpret them to say something else are no better than those who try and claim that homosexual relationships between consenting adults are good. As I try to be consistent, I condemn them both.

I don't reject what these verses actually say...I hug them with all my heart. They show the evidence of a very loving Jesus who is sharing good news.
But I also happen to know exactly what was said in the original languages and why. I know why the modern English translations are made to look contradictory to the rest of scriptures and by whom and for what reasons.
YMMV.

cvanwey · Jan 1, 2021

Ashley Amos said:

Why should anyone care what the Bible says about divorce?

NerdGirl · Jan 1, 2021

I'm always puzzled why people are so vehement about what other couples should be doing or not doing. Perhaps we should attend to our own houses first, and let others answer to God for themselves.

JohnDB · Jan 1, 2021

NerdGirl said:
I'm always puzzled why people are so vehement about what other couples should be doing or not doing. Perhaps we should attend to our own houses first, and let others answer to God for themselves.

For the reason that the hateful message they spew is erroneously placed on me as if I'm a supporter of such hateful messages.

I'm not hateful. Sure I believe in protection of the innocent, the weak, and the powerless.
This message about how someone who left an abusive spouse but found true joy in marriage to a truly Christian person is hated by God for this remarriage is obnoxious.

It's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Monksailor · Jan 1, 2021

Divorce According to Jesus.

How did Jesus respond to legalistic traps or debates?

When confronted by the pharisees about working on the Sabbath when He healed a man or about appropriately stoning the woman caught in adultery did Jesus say that they were right in their legalistic thinking and make amends or tell them to go ahead with the stoning? What did Jesus call the legalistic pharisees to their faces? I think that Jesus was more concerned about loving people than the letter of the law as the Spirit of the Law is love.

Is there a way this debate can be resolved the way Jesus would?

JohnDB · Jan 1, 2021

Monksailor said:
Is there a way this debate can be resolved the way Jesus would?

Jesus usually said neither side was correct.

But I haven't said what Jesus actually said or taken a position.

All I have said is that their position is not congruent with scriptures.
Nothing more than that.

And I do happen to think that remarriage is a very risky proposal. 67% failure rate in all second marriages doesn't inspire confidence in the practice.

chevyontheriver · Jan 1, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
Adultery or fornication is also used. No difference both are sexual intercourse outside the marriage.

And who taught you that was how it was to be interpreted?

Ashley Amos · Jan 1, 2021

JohnDB said:
Hear oh Israel
The Lord
The Lord God is One.

So Jesus was just as much an author of the Old Testament as He was the New Testament.

In the Beginning was the word. The Word was God.
Verse 14 "The Word became flesh".

What I'm saying is that you cannot use a flat reading of the Matthew passage and develop a theology from it.
I admire your dedication to scripture...but that's still not getting the full meaning from it. You need to apply full hermeneutic principles in order to understand why it was translated in the manner it was and by whom.
And then become congruent with the rest of scriptures from the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Because what Jesus said was the Gospel message... Gospel means "Good News".

Nowhere in scripture is divorce and remarriage equated to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
All sorts of sins and transgressions of men will be forgiven except for divorce and remarriage?

I am asking you for a new testament scripture that states that Jesus condoned stoning. I am looking for a new testament scripture that contradicts John eight as you claim John eight should be disregarded.

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