Anyone here follow the youtube channel SFIA: Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur?

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I've been following Isaac since the beginning, back when his graphics were crude and he hadn't had speech therapy yet (and couldn't pronounce his R's, you wascally wabbits!)
I just love how big his mind is, and how every time I think I've got a handle on the sheer scale of our potential future could be. If you start off in some of the earlier episodes don't panic - the production values REALLY increase as the episodes fly by.

I've listed the foundational building block episodes below. These are the essential episodes, as getting to know these particular themes is like learning the rules in your favourite space opera. EG: Imagine trying to watch Star Wars without understanding what Jedi or X-Wings are?

Arcologies

The Impact of Fusion

Post Scarcity Civilisations

Can we have a trillion people on the earth?

Orbital rings

O'Neil Cylinders
https://youtu.be/gTDlSORhI-k

Dyson Swarms
https://youtu.be/HlmKejRSVd8

The Moon playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y47MMNqKGxE&list=PLIIOUpOge0Lv5kr9vrX8DJjlF1A3QWJ3D

Colonising Jupiter - a bit dull in the middle but the punchline at the end blew my mind!
https://youtu.be/PQnvjGN91Mg

Interstellar highways
https://youtu.be/oDR4AHYRmlk

Then just browse at will, maybe start the "Upward Bound" playlist about getting off earth and then start "Outward bound" about moving out into the solar system and "Space Colonies" etc. Enjoy!
 

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Any episodes you would add to my foundational basics list above?
I was initially attracted to the Dyson Dilemma

It's an expansion on the Fermi Paradox about just how visible a truly advanced civilisation should be.
 
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I've been following Isaac since the beginning, back when his graphics were crude and he hadn't had speech therapy yet (and couldn't pronounce his R's, you wascally wabbits!)
I just love how big his mind is, and how every time I think I've got a handle on the sheer scale of our potential future could be. If you start off in some of the earlier episodes don't panic - the production values REALLY increase as the episodes fly by.

I've listed the foundational building block episodes below. These are the essential episodes, as getting to know these particular themes is like learning the rules in your favourite space opera. EG: Imagine trying to watch Star Wars without understanding what Jedi or X-Wings are?
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Then just browse at will, maybe start the "Upward Bound" playlist about getting off earth and then start "Outward bound" about moving out into the solar system and "Space Colonies" etc. Enjoy!

Wow that's a lot of video embeds. I've watched a few Isaac Arthur videos, I like science and futurism and science fiction. I like to think about that stuff that Isaac Arthur videos talk about, it's all so big and awesome, but after a while I may get bored because I know most of this will never happen since it probably doesn't agree with the Bible since it's all based on an evolutionist perspective. I think there is not enough Christian Science fiction, it's a really undervalued sub-genre, have you ever read C.S. Lewis' space trilogy?
 
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Wow that's a lot of video embeds. I've watched a few Isaac Arthur videos, I like science and futurism and science fiction. I like to think about that stuff that Isaac Arthur videos talk about, it's all so big and awesome, but after a while I may get bored because I know most of this will never happen since it probably doesn't agree with the Bible since it's all based on an evolutionist perspective. I think there is not enough Christian Science fiction, it's a really undervalued sub-genre, have you ever read C.S. Lewis' space trilogy?
Yeah, I read Out of the Silent planet and all that.
However, as a Theistic Evolutionist that sees the early chapters of Genesis as actually concerned with why God made us the relationships between things - not a technical manual as to how God made the world - I have no problems with the evolutionary stuff.
Genesis is more like we are reading Shakespeare than Darwin. Would Richard Dawkins read Shakespeare's line "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the east, and Juliet is the sun!" and complain "What nonsense! There's no way any truth is being conveyed in this nonsense because Juliet is obviously not a giant ball of fusing hydrogen millions and millions of miles across!" Sorry, but truth can be conveyed in poetry - and sometimes is the *best* genre to explain certain truths! Here's a taste of the evidence for the creative literary narrative that Dr John Dickson unpacks in the link below: note all the multiples of 7!

"In Genesis 1, multiples of seven appear in extraordinary ways. For ancient readers, who were accustomed to taking notice of such things, these multiples of seven conveyed a powerful message. Seven was the divine number, the number of goodness and perfection. Its omnipresence in the opening chapter of the Bible makes an unmistakable point about the origin and nature of the universe itself. Consider the following: The first sentence of Genesis 1 consists of seven Hebrew words. Instantly, the ancient reader’s attention is focused;
The second sentence contains exactly fourteen words. A pattern is developing;
The word ‘earth’—one half of the created sphere—appears in the chapter 21 times;
The word ‘heaven’—the other half of the created sphere—also appears 21 times.
‘God’, the lead actor, is mentioned exactly 35 times.
The refrain ‘and it was so,’ which concludes each creative act, occurs exactly seven times;
The summary statement ‘God saw that it was good’ also occurs seven times;
It hardly needs to be pointed out that the whole account is structured around seven scenes or seven days of the week.
The artistry of the chapter is stunning and, to ancient readers, unmistakable. It casts the creation as a work of art, sharing in the perfection of God and deriving from him. My point is obvious: short of including a prescript for the benefit of modern readers the original author could hardly have made it clearer that his message is being conveyed through literary rather than prosaic means. What we find in Genesis 1 is not exactly poetry of the type we find in the biblical book of Psalms but nor is it recognizable as simple prose. It is a rhythmic, symbolically-charged inventory of divine commands." https://www.publicchristianity.org/the-genre-of-genesis-1-an-historical-approach/ More at his podcast. Six Days





Also see the below


The Day the Music Died
Reflections in Exile: The Day The Music Died

Reflections in Exile: Problems With Creation Science I: Absence of a Theology of Creation

http://reflectionsinexile.blogspot.com.au/2007/11/problems-with-creation-science-ii-on_21.html

http://reflectionsinexile.blogspot.com.au/2007/11/problems-with-creation-science-iii-tale.html

http://reflectionsinexile.blogspot.com.au/2007/11/problems-with-creation-science-iv-when.html

http://reflectionsinexile.blogspot.com.au/2007/11/problems-with-creation-science-iv.html

http://reflectionsinexile.blogspot.com.au/2007/11/problems-with-creation-science-v-god.html

http://reflectionsinexile.blogspot.com.au/2007/11/problems-with-creation-science-v-god_30.html
 
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Wow that's a lot of video embeds. I've watched a few Isaac Arthur videos, I like science and futurism and science fiction. I like to think about that stuff that Isaac Arthur videos talk about, it's all so big and awesome, but after a while I may get bored because I know most of this will never happen since it probably doesn't agree with the Bible since it's all based on an evolutionist perspective. I think there is not enough Christian Science fiction, it's a really undervalued sub-genre, have you ever read C.S. Lewis' space trilogy?
If you take a very, very long view and a non-literal view of the Bible you can have both.

I'm pretty sure the last post-human civilisations trying to survive before the endless dark of the dying universe would be in bigger need of miraculous salvation then the people living on Earth.

(Certainly allows things like a third of the stars going dark to be a more literal depiction).
 
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If you take a very, very long view and a non-literal view of the Bible you can have both.

I'm pretty sure the last post-human civilisations trying to survive before the endless dark of the dying universe would be in bigger need of miraculous salvation then the people living on Earth.

(Certainly allows things like a third of the stars going dark to be a more literal depiction).

Very interesting concept but you are thinking of only physical salvation, a perfect (and safe) destination after death is more important than saving physical life.
 
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Yeah, I read Out of the Silent planet and all that.
However, as a Theistic Evolutionist that sees the early chapters of Genesis as actually concerned with why God made us the relationships between things - not a technical manual as to how God made the world - I have no problems with the evolutionary stuff.
Genesis is more like we are reading Shakespeare than Darwin. Would Richard Dawkins read Shakespeare's line "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the east, and Juliet is the sun!" and complain "What nonsense! There's no way any truth is being conveyed in this nonsense because Juliet is obviously not a giant ball of fusing hydrogen millions and millions of miles across!" Sorry, but truth can be conveyed in poetry - and sometimes is the *best* genre to explain certain truths! Here's a taste of the evidence for the creative literary narrative that Dr John Dickson unpacks in the link below: note all the multiples of 7!

"In Genesis 1, multiples of seven appear in extraordinary ways. For ancient readers, who were accustomed to taking notice of such things, these multiples of seven conveyed a powerful message. Seven was the divine number, the number of goodness and perfection. Its omnipresence in the opening chapter of the Bible makes an unmistakable point about the origin and nature of the universe itself. Consider the following: The first sentence of Genesis 1 consists of seven Hebrew words. Instantly, the ancient reader’s attention is focused;
The second sentence contains exactly fourteen words. A pattern is developing;
The word ‘earth’—one half of the created sphere—appears in the chapter 21 times;
The word ‘heaven’—the other half of the created sphere—also appears 21 times.
‘God’, the lead actor, is mentioned exactly 35 times.
The refrain ‘and it was so,’ which concludes each creative act, occurs exactly seven times;
The summary statement ‘God saw that it was good’ also occurs seven times;
It hardly needs to be pointed out that the whole account is structured around seven scenes or seven days of the week.
The artistry of the chapter is stunning and, to ancient readers, unmistakable. It casts the creation as a work of art, sharing in the perfection of God and deriving from him. My point is obvious: short of including a prescript for the benefit of modern readers the original author could hardly have made it clearer that his message is being conveyed through literary rather than prosaic means. What we find in Genesis 1 is not exactly poetry of the type we find in the biblical book of Psalms but nor is it recognizable as simple prose. It is a rhythmic, symbolically-charged inventory of divine commands." https://www.publicchristianity.org/the-genre-of-genesis-1-an-historical-approach/ More at his podcast. Six Days





Also see the below


The Day the Music Died
Reflections in Exile: The Day The Music Died

Reflections in Exile: Problems With Creation Science I: Absence of a Theology of Creation

Reflections in Exile: Problems with Creation Science II: On Taking the Bible Literally

Reflections in Exile: Problems With Creation Science III: A Tale of Two Chronologies

Reflections in Exile: Problems With Creation Science IV: When Death Isn’t Death

Reflections in Exile: Problems With Creation Science IV Supplemental: A Naturally Unnatural Death

Reflections in Exile: Problems With Creation Science V: A God Who Uses Death In A Good Creation? Part I

Reflections in Exile: Problems With Creation Science V: A God Who Uses Death In A Good Creation? Part II



I think you're right that it's poetry, and it is beautiful, but I think you're wrong that it's not literal in any way. It's clearly not a finely detailed list of events but I think it's meant to tell a story of real literal events that happened.
 
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Very interesting concept but you are thinking of only physical salvation, a perfect (and safe) destination after death is more important than saving physical life.
People always need physical salvation... death does come from us all... but I imagine the literal end of the universe would be an existential threat that no one can now imagine.

As an atheist i can always know that the world and all its people will spin on without me. But what if that wasn't true? What if the literal end had come? All their unimaginable knowledge and power would have come to a literal nothing?
 
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I think you're right that it's poetry, and it is beautiful, but I think you're wrong that it's not literal in any way. It's clearly not a finely detailed list of events but I think it's meant to tell a story of real literal events that happened.
Read the article. It's most definitely not literal, as the first and second chapters completely contradict each other. Also, with that much number symbolism and multiples of 7, we can be pretty sure that the author did not intend the number of days to be 'literal' but merely signifying perfection. Indeed, the first 3 days are the forms and the second 3 days are the filling of the forms and the final day is the purpose for all the forms. Reading is about detecting genre - and this is a form of structured creative narrative we could call poetic - even though it's not technically a Hebrew poem like something out of the psalms. It's almost like a parable.

There is evidence within! Explore more...
https://www.publicchristianity.org/the-genre-of-genesis-1-an-historical-approach/
 
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