eclipsenow
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John refers to 'thrones' again bringing to mind the earlier chapter of Revelation that has thrones. He does not specify where they are, so it makes much more sense to just assume he is talking about the same thrones.Revelation 20:4-5 does not say those martyrs resurrected are in heaven.
I've been calling you out on this for about 20 posts.They co-reign with Christ on earth,
IT NEVER SAID THAT!
Prove it!
That's your assertion from your presuppositions.
But the passage talks about souls with Jesus before thrones and never ONCE refers to the climactic, eternal change that happens when the Lord returns.
Your understanding contradicts the Millennium in Rev 20.
Your understanding contradicts the CLEARER verses about the Lord's climactic, eternal, definitive Judgement Day on his return!
for the next 1000 years.
As I have said many many times and it just does not seem to sink in, the Israelites often used 1000 figuratively. They tended to use it literally when counting troops etc, but when multiplying out symbolic numbers like the 12 Tribes Times the 12 Apostles Times 1000 - it means "The full old covenant multiplied by the full new covenant multiplied by a gazillion!" So the 144,000 isn't a number, but a beautiful symbol of the perfect fullness of the kingdom of God.
What is the 1000 years symbolic of? Let me remind you of Psalm 50 which mentions hills. There are well over a million mountains on earth, let alone all the smaller hills. If the Israelites always used the number 1000 literally, then quite a few passages in the bible are making weird claims!
Psalm 50
I have no need of a bull from your stall
or of goats from your pens,
10 for every animal of the forest is mine,
and the cattle on a thousand hills.
11 I know every bird in the mountains,
and the insects in the fields are mine.
12 If I were hungry I would not tell you,
for the world is mine, and all that is in it.
The whole world is his - and everything in it. Except the 999,000 other hills that he apparently doesn't own the cattle on? See, literally this would be saying God only everything on the earth - except only the cattle on 1000 hills and NOT THE REST!
You've got the location wrong and have never addressed the fact that Jesus does not return in the Millennium so NO - you do not get to destroy the plain meaning of the clearer verses of the New Testament like the Sheep and Goats that show Jesus returns and it's ALL OVER for world history!The raising of all the dead, everyone who has ever lived, does not happen simultaneously with those GT martyrs. It is 1000 years later, as we are clearly told.
Except you just click your ruby slippers together as if they have some kind of magic and keep ASSERTING the Millennium is about the earth without proving it.Heaven and Hell, why bring them up? Rev 20 is about earthly events.
The saints are dead, before the thrones in heaven, but alive in Jesus. That is the message.
Be a man and prove that Jesus is on the earth from this passage - and stop using these!
The Millennium is a respite from the image of Judgement Day in Chapter 19 as John pauses to say "While all this destruction is going on, what's happening with those saints that were martyred?" Then he goes back to Judgement Day to describe another aspect of it in Rev 20.
Oh give me a break from your martyr complex will you!Like most Christians today, you refuse to even consider what God has planned for our future.
Anglicans have a very high priority on reminding Christians of our future hope in Christ. We have it in our creeds and our sermons, especially sermons on suffering, especially if those sermons are working through Revelation. It's you that have destroyed this focus by insisting Revelation wasn't written to most Christians throughout history to understand and obey as John says in Chapter 1.
Apparently this book was written to YOU and YOU ALONE to understand! Which just makes me wince for you. Revelation Chapter 1 was clear. John wants his entire book to be listened to and OBEYED from the first century - so futurists that divorce the majority of the book from being to John's generation and about John's generation are just sadly misinformed - even destroying the meaning of the book.
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