20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

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I am not sure why Lazarus would need to die again.
Lazarus has the Promise of Eternal life, as do all born again Christians, John 3:16
He died again, but like all the dead; he will stand before God in Judgment, after the Millennium. All whose names are Written in the Book of Life will receive immortality. NEVER before then.
 
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It is frustrating at times, but the ancient Prophets, incl Jesus, were also pretty lonesome in getting people to believe them.
God has not given me any new revelation. He has given me the ability to understand the Prophetic Word.
Daniel 12:4 and 9-10 tell us that many will not succeed to gain this knowledge, but just a few will will understand.

The thing is; God has not put all that information about His plans, for no one to understand any of it.
A few? I am certain you are the only one in the world who believes some of the things that you do. I believe you are arrogant to think that God only reveals those things to you.

The 'rapture to heaven', pre, mid or post, is the prevalent belief in the Western nations. Only in countries that experience persecution now, is it rejected.
Paul wrote that we will be caught up and meet Him "in the air" (1 Thess 4:14-17), but it doesn't say anything about going to heaven after that. The pre-trib rapture view in particular was made popular in the U.S. by the Left Behind books and such.

The AMillennium belief is another doctrine that leads people astray.
No, it absolutely does not. It does quite the opposite. It helps people to understand that Christ is reigning NOW and we are priests in His kingdom NOW and it also makes the day of His return far more meaningful and exciting because not only will He meet with His people that day, but He will punish all of His enemies and put an end to sin and death once and for all on that day.

Thinking that we are in the Great Trib now, is quite ridiculous, nothing like what is described between Revelation 6:12 to the end has happened yet.
Jesus said 'You ain't seen nuthing yet!' Luke 23:28-31 [paraphased]
We should mostly be wary of the increase in wickedness and deception going on in our time. You instead are focused on physical destruction and catastrophes and whatnot. Jesus said those things will happen, but He didn't say to focus on those things, He said to watch out for all of the deception and increase in wickedness that would occur before His coming at the end of the age. The same thing Paul wrote about in 2 Thessalonians 2. I believe that is the same time period as Satan's little season.
 
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Are you claiming there is still a literal 1000 year period after the battle of Armageddon, but you are claiming it is also figurative of now?

If no, then you just turned a literal period that many accept, as literal, into fiction. We are not misrepresenting your view, you can believe your view as long as you wish. You cannot remove the literal view as written and pretend it cannot exist. Your interpretation cannot trump Scripture any more than a view that claims Christians and Abel from the Garden of Eden all have to wait until the GWT, to be resurrected.
It looks like you also don't know the difference between the words "figurative" and "fictional". I think maybe you guys need to go back to school and learn the definitions of words.
 
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There you go again misrepresenting me, and avoiding the question. Your glorified church cannot have offspring. They all live in the New Jerusalem. You do not have any population on earth period. You have to have beings that can have offspring to populate the earth.

What is a child, are you claiming that all the church becomes children? All stay the same age of 7, for eternity?

Children in Isaiah 65 indicates offspring. You have very unique ways to contradict Scripture to prove your points.
Your interpretation of Isaiah 65:17-25 causes Isaiah to contradict what John said about the new heavens and new earth in Revelation 21:1-4. Why don't you try to make the two passages agree with each other instead of forcing them to contradict each other and forcing the ridiculous notion that there will be two new heavens and two new earths?

Have you ever considered that Isaiah spoke about eternity in a way that his readers could understand at the time? It is in the New Testament that the concept of eternal life is introduced and written about more plainly.
 
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Martha said that before Jesus literally raised him from the dead. Jesus in that chapter claimed to be the Resurrection and the Life. It was the Resurrection of Lazarus, that propelled the Sanhedrin to pursue the death of Jesus. They claimed: "If we let him keep going on this way, everyone will trust in him, and the Romans will come and destroy both the Temple and the nation.”

I am not sure why Lazarus would need to die again. That is a presupposition. If the Resurrection and the Life, could not prevent Lazarus from death, why would the Sanhedrin be so afraid of the Romans. It is not presupposition to just trust the Resurrection and the Life.

25 Yeshua said to her, “I AM the Resurrection and the Life! Whoever puts his trust in me will live, even if he dies;
26 and everyone living and trusting in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
27 She said to him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one coming into the world.”
Scripture teaches that Jesus was the first to rise from the dead.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Obviously, He raised Lazarus from the dead before that, so the context in which Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead was in that He was the first to be raised with an immortal body. Lazarus was raised with the same mortal body he had when he died.

The order of resurrections unto bodily immortality is given here:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Christ's resurrection was the first and then next in order is "they that are Christ's at His coming".
 
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There you go again misrepresenting me, and avoiding the question. Your glorified church cannot have offspring. They all live in the New Jerusalem. You do not have any population on earth period. You have to have beings that can have offspring to populate the earth.

What is a child, are you claiming that all the church becomes children? All stay the same age of 7, for eternity?

Children in Isaiah 65 indicates offspring. You have very unique ways to contradict Scripture to prove your points.

Tell me what you believe occurs in your millennium according to Isa 65? Stop skirting around it.
 
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A few? I am certain you are the only one in the world who believes some of the things that you do. I believe you are arrogant to think that God only reveals those things to you.
It is arrogant to claim God sent you as a judge to point out the alleged arrogance of others. God did not solely reveal things to Keras. Your accusation is just an excuse to avoid the facts in his post. I am not defending Keras' beliefs because all he is doing is declaring God's Word. You are stuck on his interpretations, and avoiding God's Word. Keras is no different than any other poster here, who think they have a handle on Scripture. Even some amil do not agree with each other, yet you all are getting ahead of yourself if you think Keras is proclaiming special Revelation. You accept the recap theory as special Revelation and the only way to interpret Revelation. Well recap is NOT, and neither is any one else's post on Revelation.

Agreeing with similar interpretations and beliefs is not separate Holy Spirit Revelation. It is only private interpretation that many people accept. Millions of people follow different religions and all claim to be special insight from God. God only has one Word, and no religion gave it to us. The Holy Spirit used Spirit led individuals, not man made religion or theology.

That Keras does not have a cult following should be proof enough carnal flesh is not interested in what he has to say.
 
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It is arrogant to claim God sent you as a judge to point out the alleged arrogance of others. God did not solely reveal things to Keras. Your accusation is just an excuse to avoid the facts in his post. I am not defending Keras' beliefs because all he is doing is declaring God's Word.
I'm not the one claiming that God is revealing things only to me and no one else in the world.

You are stuck on his interpretations, and avoiding God's Word. Keras is no different than any other poster here, who think they have a handle on Scripture.
Like you, he believes a number of things that no one else does. Why would God reveal truth only to you or him? Is that how you think God works?

Even some amil do not agree with each other, yet you all are getting ahead of yourself if you think Keras is proclaiming special Revelation. You accept the recap theory as special Revelation and the only way to interpret Revelation. Well recap is NOT, and neither is any one else's post on Revelation.
I'm far from the only one who believes there are recapitulations (parallel sections) in the book of Revelation. I'm not claiming that as special revelation. Why are you unable to understand what a private interpretation is even though it's been explained to you many times? I can only conclude that you don't even try to understand what it means.

Agreeing with similar interpretations and beliefs is not separate Holy Spirit Revelation. It is only private interpretation that many people accept. Millions of people follow different religions and all claim to be special insight from God. God only has one Word, and no religion gave it to us. The Holy Spirit used Spirit led individuals, not man made religion or theology.

That Keras does not have a cult following should be proof enough carnal flesh is not interested in what he has to say.
If it was the truth wouldn't more than one person be aware of it? Of course. That's my point, which somehow escapes you.
 
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It looks like you also don't know the difference between the words "figurative" and "fictional". I think maybe you guys need to go back to school and learn the definitions of words.
There is a 1000 years ahead. What you choose to do with it is your business. If you claim it is figurative of now, that is a spiritual application. If you say it does not exist as the next 1000 years, you ARE claiming it is just fiction.

We are not changing definitions nor confused. We did not claim another 1000 years, John did by the fact he was a witness to them. Since the coming of Jesus at the battle of Armageddon is literal, then so are the events immediately after. John did not change topics, nor did he go back and recap Revelation 12 in Revelation 20. For one he did not mention the woman at all. He left her still being protected. Now he did say that after Armageddon and this 42 month period, Satan is now himself bound alone, and his 2 beast and the rest are sent to the lake of fire, or Death. No where at all does John say he went back to the time of the Cross.
 
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There is a 1000 years ahead. What you choose to do with it is your business. If you claim it is figurative of now, that is a spiritual application. If you say it does not exist as the next 1000 years, you ARE claiming it is just fiction.

We are not changing definitions nor confused. We did not claim another 1000 years, John did by the fact he was a witness to them. Since the coming of Jesus at the battle of Armageddon is literal, then so are the events immediately after. John did not change topics, nor did he go back and recap Revelation 12 in Revelation 20. For one he did not mention the woman at all. He left her still being protected. Now he did say that after Armageddon and this 42 month period, Satan is now himself bound alone, and his 2 beast and the rest are sent to the lake of fire, or Death. No where at all does John say he went back to the time of the Cross.

Multiple Scripture forbids that. You are fighting with the sacred text. When Jesus comes that is it. There is no future sin-cursed, goat-infested, death-blighted millennial age. Repeated Scripture locates the replacement of the current heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth and incorruption at the second coming. Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15 shows us that this occurs at the second coming. This is indeed the end of time, the end of corruption, the end of the wicked, the end of sin, the end of death, the end for the devil. It is the beginning of eternity. It is the beginning of perfection. It is the beginning of incorruption. It is the beginning of a new arrangement.
 
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There is a 1000 years ahead. What you choose to do with it is your business. If you claim it is figurative of now, that is a spiritual application. If you say it does not exist as the next 1000 years, you ARE claiming it is just fiction.
Such nonsense. I do not claim that the 1000 years does not exist. I believe it's a time period with a beginning and end. I just don't believe it's a literal 1000 years just like I don't believe Daniel's 70 weeks are 490 days. That doesn't mean I believe it's fiction. I just interpret it differently than you.
 
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Your interpretation of Isaiah 65:17-25 causes Isaiah to contradict what John said about the new heavens and new earth in Revelation 21:1-4. Why don't you try to make the two passages agree with each other instead of forcing them to contradict each other and forcing the ridiculous notion that there will be two new heavens and two new earths?

Have you ever considered that Isaiah spoke about eternity in a way that his readers could understand at the time? It is in the New Testament that the concept of eternal life is introduced and written about more plainly.
Eternity and eternal life are not the same thing. If it is, then you remove any physical creation and we are just GOD.

Do you remove creation from existence?

Eternal life on the other hand is not what is being described. The wolf and the lamb are not merely described as in that position for eternity. It is that they are at peace with each other. A child dying at 100 is a curse, not that we are children and never change or grow up.

Define this alleged accusation of contradiction. Curse and sin are separate phenomenon. They are not synonyms of rebellion.

If you use Isaiah 65 as a reason sin can or cannot be in the Millennium. The same is true that sin can or cannot be in the NHNE.

You are only different from Keras in the fact earth is your only reality after the NHNE. You seem to think New Jerusalem is not a place but a ship that brings some to live on the earth.

Living on the earth will never happen for the church. New Jerusalem is our home this minute. It will always be our home. Well that is the extent of our knowledge of the NHNE. The NHNE is not eternity. They are still a separate creation from eternity as is the current physical creation.

Do you allege that the physical ceases altogether? Then describing anything; would not be a physical ability, and pointless. We hardly glimpse the spiritual now, and most here refuse to even see what the spiritual is, because they only conflate the spiritual with the physical.

This spiritual application of Isaiah 65 is a case in point. You are trying to take physical phenomenon and create only a spiritual view, and then apply it to eternity, which is neither spiritual nor physical. Eternity is outside of creation. Creation itself is as much spiritual as it is physical. Both are created by God to form one single reality.

Saying the NHNE is eternity is impossible. Now would be eternity if that were true. The NHNE are a creation as well. Isaiah 65:17

“For, look! I create new heavens
and a new earth; past things will not be remembered, they will no more come to mind.

This can also describe the Flood of Noah. It cannot describe eternity because eternity is where GOD exist, and reality is created inside of eternity, it is not the re-creation of eternity.

So it can either describe a new beginning or a new reality and all after verse 17 may describe either the Millennium or John's NHNE. If Isaiah or any OT describes the names of current Nations, it would indicate another Millennium, because the NHNE would not be a continuation of current thought while another 1000 years would.

As has been pointed out many times. The OT views all of the future (from that time) even the NHNE as one single future event. It is not definitive. It may set precedence, but still what is revealed in the NT further outlines and defines. Not the other direction. When John declares a 1000 years, one cannot deny it by claiming the OT states or does not state such a point. We are not in a court room placing prophecy on trial.
 
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Eternity and eternal life are not the same thing. If it is, then you remove any physical creation and we are just GOD.
What now? You're not making any sense.

Do you remove creation from existence?
What kind of question is this?

Eternal life on the other hand is not what is being described. The wolf and the lamb are not merely described as in that position for eternity. It is that they are at peace with each other. A child dying at 100 is a curse, not that we are children and never change or grow up.
Someone who is 100 isn't a child, so do you think maybe Isaiah was using figurative language there? I would think so. But, if you want to believe there will be 100 year old children in the future, that's your choice.

Define this alleged accusation of contradiction. Curse and sin are separate phenomenon. They are not synonyms of rebellion.
How many new heavens and new earths do you think there will be? You apparently think the new heavens and new earth will be ushered in at Christ's return, per Isaiah 65 and then some other new heavens and new earth will be ushered in 1000+ years later. And you think that makes sense?

If you use Isaiah 65 as a reason sin can or cannot be in the Millennium. The same is true that sin can or cannot be in the NHNE.
I believe the NHNE will be the kingdom that we inherit that Paul talked about in 1 Cor 15:50-54 and Jesus talked about in Matthew 25:31-46. There will be no sin or death there.

You are only different from Keras in the fact earth is your only reality after the NHNE. You seem to think New Jerusalem is not a place but a ship that brings some to live on the earth.
It is described as the bride of the Lamb. What does that mean to you? I believe heaven (new heaven) will be brought down to the new earth and that is where we will dwell for eternity.

Living on the earth will never happen for the church. New Jerusalem is our home this minute. It will always be our home. Well that is the extent of our knowledge of the NHNE. The NHNE is not eternity. They are still a separate creation from eternity as is the current physical creation.
What do you mean the NHNE is not eternity? Where are you getting that from? Of course it will exist for eternity.

Do you allege that the physical ceases altogether?
No, I don't. Why do you ask such ridiculous questions? Do you think I would claim that the new earth is just a big ball of gas or something?

Then describing anything; would not be a physical ability, and pointless. We hardly glimpse the spiritual now, and most here refuse to even see what the spiritual is, because they only conflate the spiritual with the physical.

This spiritual application of Isaiah 65 is a case in point. You are trying to take physical phenomenon and create only a spiritual view, and then apply it to eternity, which is neither spiritual nor physical. Eternity is outside of creation. Creation itself is as much spiritual as it is physical. Both are created by God to form one single reality.
It's impossible to figure out what you're talking about sometimes. This is one of those times.

Saying the NHNE is eternity is impossible. Now would be eternity if that were true. The NHNE are a creation as well. Isaiah 65:17

“For, look! I create new heavens
and a new earth; past things will not be remembered, they will no more come to mind.
Where does scripture teach that the new heavens and new earth won't be eternal? This is another one of your private interpretations that no one else believes.

This can also describe the Flood of Noah. It cannot describe eternity because eternity is where GOD exist, and reality is created inside of eternity, it is not the re-creation of eternity.
Do you think we'll die again or something? Do you have some kind of problem with the idea of living for eternity?

As has been pointed out many times. The OT views all of the future (from that time) even the NHNE as one single future event. It is not definitive. It may set precedence, but still what is revealed in the NT further outlines and defines. Not the other direction. When John declares a 1000 years, one cannot deny it by claiming the OT states or does not state such a point. We are not in a court room placing prophecy on trial.
All of the future as one single future event? I see. Sure. Hmmm. Yeah.
 
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That Keras does not have a cult following should be proof enough carnal flesh is not interested in what he has to say.
Thank you, Timtofly.
You at least realize that my mission is to promote what the Bible prophets actually say.
I have no 'cult' following, not in the Church I attend, or on the Internet.
That people reject and cannot understand the Prophetic Word, is due to their beliefs in false theories and doctrines. As Isaiah 29:9-12 says.
Also Jesus clearly said these things are hidden from the wise... Matthew 11:25
Only after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, will people understand.
Deuteronomy 29:4 But to this day, the Lord has not given you a mind to understand, or eyes to see, or ears to hear.

Isaiah 56:10 All Israel’s watchmen are blind, perceiving nothing, they are like dumb dogs that cannot bark.

Jeremiah 6:10 To whom shall I speak? To whom give warning, who will hear me? The peoples ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening, they treat the Lord’s Word as a reproach.

Psalms 74:9 We cannot see any sign, we have no prophets now.

Isaiah 29:10-14 For you the whole vision is nothing but words in a sealed book.

Isaiah 6:9b-10 However hard you look and listen, you will never perceive.

Isaiah 48:8 You don’t understand, because your ears were stopped long ago.

Psalms 94:5 Understand, O dullest of people; when will you be wise?

Deuteronomy 32:28-29 My people are a nation devoid of understanding. If only they had the wisdom to discern what their end will be!
 
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Scripture teaches that Jesus was the first to rise from the dead.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Obviously, He raised Lazarus from the dead before that, so the context in which Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead was in that He was the first to be raised with an immortal body. Lazarus was raised with the same mortal body he had when he died.

The order of resurrections unto bodily immortality is given here:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Christ's resurrection was the first and then next in order is "they that are Christ's at His coming".
I never claimed Lazarus was given immortality. I would agree with you if that is what Acts was talking about.

The thing about Acts is that they did not broadcast that bodies had resurrected had ascended to Heaven. Paul, Peter, and those in Acts were still processing the events themselves. The gospels were written after the events in Acts. Of course they contain more detail and clearer definitions than would be declared in Acts while Peter and the other disciples, including Paul, were themselves processing the details.

Where is it recorded that a single person in Acts actually witnessed an ascension of OT believers that some later imply? They could not declare it as if they witnessed it. They did not witness that ascension. They did not declare bodies going back into the tombs and spiritually dying either. These OT saints, and Lazarus is an OT Saint, prior to the Cross, were taken to Paradise, because there was no other place to go. They obviously did not live forever on earth. It says it is appointed once to die. Where does it say, it is appointed twice to die, because of a bodily resurrection? Presupposition.

John does say in Revelation 20, bodies can be raised from death and given life (incorruptible bodies) that can never die, and not even spiritually, the second death.

Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5, to be absent from one body is to be present with the Lord in a permanent incorruptible body. The first resurrection is physical. The second part is immortality, glorified body, the spiritual resurrection.

Paul says Christ will bring those at the Cross including Lazarus with Him. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14

13 I would not brethren, have you ignorant concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus is dead, and is risen, even so them which sleep in Jesus, will God bring with him.

They are with God in Paradise now. Just as Jesus is proof of a bodily resurrection and ascension, Acts 26:23 declares the same true for all alive. It is not denying that none have risen yet. Stephen proved he was changing bodies that day. His dead carcass was never going to Paradise. Acts 7:55-60

55 But he, full of the Ruach HaKodesh, looked up to heaven and saw God’s Sh’khinah, with Yeshua standing at the right hand of God.
56 “Look!” he exclaimed, “I see heaven opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!

59 As they were stoning him, Stephen called out to God, “Lord Yeshua! Receive my spirit!”
60 Then he kneeled down and shouted out, “Lord! Don’t hold this sin against them!” With that, he died;

His body did not go, nor will it ever go. His soul went to Heaven, and he received a permanent body like all those before him.

This is not immortality or glorification. That awaits us for the completion of the whole church body. That happens at the Second Coming. Without the Cross, Stephen would not have seen heaven opened. He would have like all OT believers seen Abraham in Abraham's bosom. The sting of death and the angel blocking access to Paradise was removed at the Cross. Jesus promised the repentant thief, who accepted that day Christ on the Cross, he would be that day in Paradise, upon death. He was the first to not experience the sting of death. Stephen was the first to declare the experience first hand.

Why is there doubt that those resurrected bodies, would ascend the same way Jesus did just after seeing Mary? They did not have bodies in Abraham's bosom. They were souls. Why would God give them temporary bodies? There is not a single promise of a temporary body resurrection found in Scripture. It is a permanent body, not made by physical means. Not of Adam's physical flesh. Does God only bring some at the Second Coming and resurrect the rest?
 
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I never claimed Lazarus was given immortality. I would agree with you if that is what Acts was talking about.
You said "I am not sure why Lazarus would need to die again. That is a presupposition.". What did you mean by that?

Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5, to be absent from one body is to be present with the Lord in a permanent incorruptible body.
No, he does not say that. He said to be absent from the body (he was talking about the mortal human body) is to be present with the Lord. Why do you not think we could be present with the Lord in heaven without a body? As I've shown you multiple times, your interpretation of 2 Corinthians 5 blatantly contradicts what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. Why doesn't that bother you? Why are you willing to throw 1 Cor 15:50-54 out in favor of 2 Cor 5 instead of finding a way to not make them contradict each other?
 
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Thank you, Timtofly.
You at least realize that my mission is to promote what the Bible prophets actually say.
I have no 'cult' following, not in the Church I attend, or on the Internet.
That people reject and cannot understand the Prophetic Word, is due to their beliefs in false theories and doctrines. As Isaiah 29:9-12 says.
Also Jesus clearly said these things are hidden from the wise... Matthew 11:25
Only after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, will people understand.
Deuteronomy 29:4 But to this day, the Lord has not given you a mind to understand, or eyes to see, or ears to hear.

Isaiah 56:10 All Israel’s watchmen are blind, perceiving nothing, they are like dumb dogs that cannot bark.

Jeremiah 6:10 To whom shall I speak? To whom give warning, who will hear me? The peoples ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening, they treat the Lord’s Word as a reproach.

Psalms 74:9 We cannot see any sign, we have no prophets now.

Isaiah 29:10-14 For you the whole vision is nothing but words in a sealed book.

Isaiah 6:9b-10 However hard you look and listen, you will never perceive.

Isaiah 48:8 You don’t understand, because your ears were stopped long ago.

Psalms 94:5 Understand, O dullest of people; when will you be wise?

Deuteronomy 32:28-29 My people are a nation devoid of understanding. If only they had the wisdom to discern what their end will be!
Yes, only you understand. Such arrogance. It's nauseating.
 
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Tell me what you believe occurs in your millennium according to Isa 65? Stop skirting around it.
People will live like Adam and his descendants in Genesis 5. They will have sin removed opposite as Adam was given sin and would die. Adam did not even have an incorruptible body and lived 900 years. I think the first 30 were in the Garden, prior to sin. Adam lived 100 years before Seth was born in sin and a decaying body. The implications if one dies as a child at 100 without having offspring they are cursed. Because Seth had to wait 105 years to have offspring. There will be some in the Millennium who will have offspring at 20, as normal. Adam's descendants lived in sin and were cursed by God. How do you explain millions just resurrected after all humanity had just been eradicated, even in a new heaven and earth scenario obtain billions and billions of offspring? Also those in glorified bodies are permanently incapable of offspring and are like the angels, can only do God's will. They cannot rebel and produce rebellious offspring.

No where does God claim to create a new Adam and Eve to populate the earth. The Revelation 20:4 resurrection is not only of Israel, but would be some from every tribe and Nation.

Adam in sin had many descendants while living 900 years. Millions on a regenerated earth without sin are going to have billions more offspring after 900 years without war, famine, and plague. Of course even then, if nations like Egypt hold out, will be cursed for a time. If people are still viewed as cursed, that is not a new reality. Being cursed is still part of current phenomenon.

While death is not a thing, being under an iron rod indicates one immediately is sent to Death. Their names immediately removed from the Lamb's book of life. Rebellion will not be tolerated. None of these facts take away from understanding eternity nor eternal life. The new reality does away with the whole sin economy phenomenon as well as death by sin. That we can experience this condition now, does not negate it's full reality later.

There is not even the ability now of an army marching from any where to the middle east in the billions. How can this be explained away as current human population cannot allow it. Nor will Satan be in the NHNE. He will be in the Lake of Fire.
 
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I'm not the one claiming that God is revealing things only to me and no one else in the world.

Like you, he believes a number of things that no one else does. Why would God reveal truth only to you or him? Is that how you think God works?

I'm far from the only one who believes there are recapitulations (parallel sections) in the book of Revelation. I'm not claiming that as special revelation. Why are you unable to understand what a private interpretation is even though it's been explained to you many times? I can only conclude that you don't even try to understand what it means.

If it was the truth wouldn't more than one person be aware of it? Of course. That's my point, which somehow escapes you.
You reject the notion that the more one reads God's Word the more they recieve from God'sWord?

No one would be blessed with that attitude.

Like me he cannot help to point out his thoughts. Are you saying you only belong to a hive of humans that see things a certain way? Any out side of the hive, live in darkness? That is private interpretation because the Holy Spirit does not limit His work to a hive of humans. Recap is often presented here as "the only way". It is not even one way. It is a private interpretation just like Keras' post.

Many here are aware of Keras' post when they read them. What they do with that awareness afterwards is not the point. I would never say any human interpretation is from the Holy Spirit. We do not even have many humans today, so set apart from the flesh, who can even make such a discernment.

I would not believe you if you claimed that for yourself. That is not a judgment on your character. I do not claim to even know, you, much less judge you by the content of your posts. That is the point I am trying to point out.

Millions of people believe the teachings of Joseph Smith. If millions of people believe recap, that does not prove it is from the Holy Spirit.
 
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Multiple Scripture forbids that. You are fighting with the sacred text. When Jesus comes that is it. There is no future sin-cursed, goat-infested, death-blighted millennial age. Repeated Scripture locates the replacement of the current heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth and incorruption at the second coming. Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15 shows us that this occurs at the second coming. This is indeed the end of time, the end of corruption, the end of the wicked, the end of sin, the end of death, the end for the devil. It is the beginning of eternity. It is the beginning of perfection. It is the beginning of incorruption. It is the beginning of a new arrangement.
John says even a 1000 years happens at the Second Coming. All you claim (at least what makes sense, your imagination does not make sense) happens as well, and John's 1000 years does not contradict a single word in every verse you posted.

Now think about your interpretation of Revelation 20? Does your interpretation contradict any Scripture? If you say it must not come after Revelation 19, that is strike 1, the first contradiction to your interpretation. It does not matter if you think any verse supports your interpretation. You have to ignore those that contradict your interpretation. I am not ignoring any verse, but unless you post their words, letters on a page, or hyperlinks are not proof of an argument.

You have yet to prove the Second Coming is not a time of the Lamb on earth, fulfilling those teachings on the Mt. Of Olives. This time has to happen before anything else can happen. It has to happen before all humanity is eradicated. That is strike 2. It cannot happen after ALL this instant destruction you claim, thus preventing prophecy of many Scriptures. Your view does negate and ignore other prophecies. Leaving Revelation 20 as is, does not.

I already agree that the heavens are gone as Peter claims. I agree that many human works are burned up as Peter claims. I agree that there are no more continents as John points out. Those points are definitely a new heaven and earth, yet there is still a totally different and unique reality also coming, and John's 1000 years fits in perfectly with all the biblical scenarios in those verses you posted.
 
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