4-year old girl dies in brutal exorcism ritual in Missouri. Parents, neighbors charged.

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The thing about science too is that it has a tendency to produce quotes like, "Hey, you know that scientific concept we told you was fact for the last fifty years? Turns out, it was WRONG!"[1][2][3]

We are also relying on fallible human beings to provide us scientific data.[4][5][6]
Correct. And when empirical evidence of supernatural entities that can hijack a human nervous system I shall be all ears.
 
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The parents of a 4-year-old Missouri girl allegedly killed by neighbours to remove a "demon" pleaded not guilty Monday to charges connected to the case.

Mary S. Mast, 29, and James A. Mast, 28, both of Lincoln, Missouri, were charged Thursday with felony child endangerment resulting in death and are jailed without bond. They don't yet have attorneys.

The couple's other children, a 2-year-old son and an infant, were placed in protective custody, Benton County Sheriff Eric Knox said in a news release.

Across-the-road neighbours Ethan Mast, 35, and Kourtney Aumen, 21, were charged last week with second-degree murder and other offences. Both are jailed without bond.

A probable cause statement from Benton County Sgt. Chris Wilson said the girl was already dead and had "severe purple bruising" over her body, along with ruptured blisters, when he was called to the home.

Knox said the girl's parents also had been beaten along with the 2-year-old. The infant was unharmed.

Still, Wilson asked James Mast "how he could let people do this to his family and he stated they were told (his wife) had a `Demon' inside her and her children would end up just like her if it was not taken care of," Wilson wrote in the probable cause statement.

Ethan Mast told investigators that he and Aumen used a leather belt to beat the girl on Dec. 19, the statement said. She was then taken to a pond behind the home where she was "dunked" in the water on a day when high temperatures were in the 40s.


Sounds more like the demon was in the one doing the beating.
 
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Sounds more like the demon was in the one doing the beating.
Metaphorically only. The guy who did the beating should not be able to excuse his actions by claiming ‘demons did it’.
 
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Metaphorically only. The guy who did the beating should not be able to excuse his actions by claiming ‘demons did it’.

Demons can't control you against your will. Not that I know of anyway.
 
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Fallen angels can now be killed with biological and nuclear weapons ? Can you quote scripture on that ? Thx.

"Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."
Ephesians 6:17[1]

Christians have made prayers based on Biblical Scripture.[4][5][6] How effective they are will depend on your Biblical knowledge[2] and level of faith.[3] Fallen angels can be rebuked into submission in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ[7] and there are times we will need to pray to God to fight them off for us.[8] No created being can compared to the CREATOR.[9]

So if science cannot save us from celestial beings, then the Word of God will!
  1. Wider Context: Ephesians 6:10-17
  2. 1 John 4:1-6, 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22, 2 Timothy 3:10-17
  3. John 3:1-21, 4:39-42, 5:25-40, 9:35-41, 11:38-44, 12:37-50, 14, 20:24-31, Luke 1:5-25, 5:17-20, 7:1-10, 7:36-50, 8:40-55, 9:37-43, 17:5-6, 17:11-19, 18:1-8, 18:15-17, 18:35-43, Mark 4:35-41, 5:21-43, 9:14-29, 10:13-16, 11:12-25, Matthew 8:5-13, 8:23-27, 9:18-31, 13:53-58, 14:22-31, 15:21-28, 17:14-20, 18:1-5, Romans 10:17
  4. Sinner's prayer - Wikipedia
  5. home
  6. How to Pray Scripture Back to God - Wycliffe Bible Translators
  7. Acts 16:16-18, James 4:7-8, Jude 1:8-10, Luke 10:17-20, Matthew 28:18, Philippians 2:9-11, Romans 14:10-12
  8. Mark 9:14-29
  9. Genesis 1:1-2:25, Revelation 22:13
 
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Hold on. Are you copy pasting your replies?

Real time references must be maddening, otherwise.

I keep notes and I have Google for secular references and sources. It is required in academic environments.

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On January 1, 2021, at roughly 2:35 PM Eastern Time, I have removed a picture of my desktop to maintain a level of privacy. Thank you for your understanding. God bless!
 
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I keep notes and I have Google for secular references and sources. It is required in academic environments.

There has been no better time than now to understand the Bible. Being able to electronically search scripture and not having to find someone with a photographic memory is great. Then again I could have put in the time to read it over and over until I knew everything.
 
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This was indeed very wrong, (kind of makes you wonder if the man is guilty of what he is accusing others of) but what is the action to take for individuals to correct this in the future?
Let them know that when they are caught they will be put to death. I wish it would be as inhumane as the death they caused but still their death would help eradicate the problem, esp, as you claim, such behavior is passed down through family lines. This is the VERY reason God instructed His people to kill everyone in an evil, God-hating (heathen) population of whom God had told them to annihilate.
 
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Allow me to elaborate...

We are dealing with spiritual beings capable of rational thought, problem solving, communication, and other forms of intelligence...[7] And they do a good job at it through deceit,[1] bribery,[2] coercion,[3] and even through proxy.[4] While not always the case, they are even capable of making humans appear as severely mentally ill.[5] On top of all that, they have millennia worth of experience.[6] They know how we work. The weakest angel is much, MUCH stronger than the strongest human who ever lived.[7]

Why do they do this? It is nothing personal.[8] Their real vendetta is against the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel because of a prolonged attempt at mutiny.[9]

What's the most effective way of hurting a loving Father? Go after His children.

So my question is, how do any of us know it is not US being played by THEM?
  1. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, Genesis 3:1-5, Job 1, John 8:44, Zechariah 3:1-2
  2. Acts 8:9-11, 16:16-21, Luke 4:5-7, Mark 14:10-11, Matthew 4:8-9, 26:14-16
  3. Luke 22:1-6, Mark 5:1-20, Matthew 8:28-34
  4. Acts 20:28-31, 1 Corinthians 10:18-22, Jude 17-22, Luke 21:5-37, Mark 13:1-31, Matthew 7:13-23, 24:1-35, Psalm 106:34-39
  5. Acts 19:15-16, Luke 4:31-37, 8:26-39, 9:37-42, Mark 1:21-28, 5:1-20, 9:14-29, Matthew 8:28-34, 17:14-18
  6. Genesis 3
  7. Ephesians 6:10-20, Jude 1:5-11, 2 Peter 2:4-11
  8. John 10:7-10
  9. Ezekiel 28, Isaiah 14

We all have the power to resist. Weakness is not an excuse.
 
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Let them know that when they are caught they will be put to death. I wish it would be as inhumane as the death they caused but still their death would help eradicate the problem, esp, as you claim, such behavior is passed down through family lines. This is the VERY reason God instructed His people to kill everyone in an evil, God-hating (heathen) population of whom God had told them to annihilate.

I believe the original plan was not to let the evil ones inhabit the world. People started to be weak and excepting of the non stop sinning so God wiped them from the face of the earth. We obviously learned nothing from the flood.
 
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So, the crux of your point is "how do any of us know we aren't possessed tools of Satan"?
Satan cannot possess a Christian. Just as Christ exclaimed to those who charged Him with being possessed, it cannot happen. Christ lives in us, the Holy Spirit lives in us, we are its Temple. Satan is not capable of kicking God out of His own house.
 
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Uh sure , but why are you talking about science helping against fallen angels then ?

You are missing the point.

science (n.) [1]
mid-14c., "what is known, knowledge (of something) acquired by study; information;" also "assurance of knowledge, certitude, certainty," from Old French science "knowledge, learning, application; corpus of human knowledge" (12c.), from Latin scientia "knowledge, a knowing; expertness," from sciens (genitive scientis) "intelligent, skilled," present participle of scire "to know," probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish," related to scindere "to cut, divide" (from PIE root *skei- "to cut, split;" source also of Greek skhizein "to split, rend, cleave," Gothic skaidan, Old English sceadan "to divide, separate").

Not science, the Word of God. Reading, studying, and KNOWING Scripture to gain knowledge and then using that knowledge to fight against fallen angels.

We have the scientific method[2] for us humans to better understand the natural world, created by God.[3] We also have the Holy Bible to better understand the spiritual world, also created by God.[3]

We humans are also capable of rational thought, problem solving, communication and other forms of intelligence. We have both of these tools, one by human hands, the other by God's.
  1. science | Origin and meaning of science by Online Etymology Dictionary
  2. scientific method | Definition, Steps, & Application
  3. Genesis 1:1-2:25
On January 1, 2021, at roughly 2:35 PM Eastern Time, I have made some edits in efforts to make this a bit more understandable in layman terms. My apologies, I am still learning because I am a flawed human being who is predisposed to selfishness.
 
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