Abomination of Desolation in Luke?

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Matthew 10:5-7, and Acts of the Apostles 10:36-38, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, reveal a time period of about 7 years when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.


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Revelation 20 shows a 1000 year period after the Second Coming. That does not seem to phase some here. Perhaps your 3.5 years is just as figurative as you declare Revelation 20 is?
 
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Revelation 20 shows a 1000 year period after the Second Coming. That does not seem to phase some here. Perhaps your 3.5 years is just as figurative as you declare Revelation 20 is?


The Apostle Paul does not agree with you.

Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and the fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.

Paul said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing in 2 Timothy 4:1, and the judgment of the dead is at the end of Revelation 20.

An angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit in Revelation 9:1-2, which would not be needed unless the pit had been locked previously.

I have shown you on several occasions that Revelation 16:15-16 proves the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

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The war in heaven either happened around the time of the ascension, or that it is still future. I tend to lean towards the former.


Why would Satan tempt Eve if he was following God's plan at that point in time?


Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:


Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


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I am not disagreeing in principle.

before the 7 years begin - little horn>Antichrist>beast

During Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days, first half of the 7 years - little horn>Antichrist>beast
During Revelation 12:14, time/times/half time, second half of the 7 years - little horn>Antichrist>beast
Satan's 42 months is "no time". It is not part of Jesus' earthly ministry nor part of any judgment of God. Satan is given unlimited earthly control. Unlimited to the point, he cannot create a brand new earth. The only limit is the effect the two witnesses have convincing many to get their heads chopped off. That is the extent of their evangelism. They are going to give many grief, though. Their dead bodies will be a cause of celebration. Satan has never been given open access ever. Even in Job, he had to get permission to do anything to Job.

This 42 months should never be the "other half" or equal time with anything dealing with Christ and His earthly ministry. Not even God’s judgment or tribulation on the house of Jacob.
 
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Interesting interpretation, a lot of good stuff here. However, revelation is clear that the Dragon is cast out to pursue the woman out AFTER she gives birth.

Revelation 12:13-14 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.

Does Jesus not say satan is cast out in association with his death and resurrection in John 12? Does Jesus not say satan is coming in John 14?

I think we both agree the Book of Revelation is not chronological, and therefore Revelation 12 is not necessarily chronological.

Joh 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

The judgment of this world based on His work at Calvary, and the casting out (destruction) of Satan promised in Genesis 3:15 go hand in hand.
There was both a past and future aspect to this passage.



Satan had previously tempted Christ in the wilderness before the words below were spoken.
This earth has been his prison since he was cast out of heaven.

Joh 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Joh 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.


Is Satan one of the angels who sinned?

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


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The verse above from Job is often used to make the claim that Satan still had access to heaven during the time of Job. However, it makes the assumption God could not be present on the earth.
Because God came to earth at Mount Sinai during the Exodus we know this is possible.

The beginning of Revelation 12 is a history lesson which includes the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ.

Satan was cast out of heaven sometime during the Book of Genesis, and this planet became his prison.

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

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I think there is something to this. The reason is Ezekiel 28 verse 2

2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

When was the throne of God in the middle of the sea. I also think this is why all the talk in job 38 about the seas and water. I also think this is why Jesus is called Master of the Sea, He walks on water, turns water into wine, why blood and water came from His pierced side on the cross, etc.
 
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I believe Paul alluded to Satan's little season in 2 Thessalonians 2. He referred to a time before Christ's coming and our being gathered to Him when there will be a mass falling away from the faith and it will all be "after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish" (2 Thess 2:9-10).
Who has been deceiving the nations since Noah's Flood?
 
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Satan's fall in Eden is in Ezekiel 31. How do we know this him? See Isaiah 14.

On a side note notice in Isaiah 14:25 Lucifer is called an Assyrian. Now look at Genesis 2:14, Eden is beside Assyria. Is the Assyrian empire beside Eden during the time of Adam and Eve. Also notice the use of the word Lebanon. Are Eden and Lebanon the same place? Makes you think doesn't it.
 
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Satan's 42 months is "no time". It is not part of Jesus' earthly ministry nor part of any judgment of God. Satan is given unlimited earthly control. Unlimited to the point, he cannot create a brand new earth. The only limit is the effect the two witnesses have convincing many to get their heads chopped off. That is the extent of their evangelism. They are going to give many grief, though. Their dead bodies will be a cause of celebration. Satan has never been given open access ever. Even in Job, he had to get permission to do anything to Job.

This 42 months should never be the "other half" or equal time with anything dealing with Christ and His earthly ministry. Not even God’s judgment or tribulation on the house of Jacob.
The term 42 months does not appear in Revelation 12. So I have no idea why you are bringing up 42 months.
 
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The Apostle Paul does not agree with you.

Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and the fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.

Paul said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing in 2 Timothy 4:1, and the judgment of the dead is at the end of Revelation 20.

An angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit in Revelation 9:1-2, which would not be needed unless the pit had been locked previously.

I have shown you on several occasions that Revelation 16:15-16 proves the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order
2 Thessalonians 1:4-10

4 Therefore, we boast about you in the congregations of God because of your perseverance and trust in all the persecutions and troubles you are going through.
5 This is clear evidence that God’s judgment is just; and as a result, you will be counted worthy of the Kingdom of God for which you are suffering.
6 For it is justice for God to pay back trouble to those who are troubling you,
7 and to give rest along with us to you who are being troubled, when the Lord Yeshua is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
8 in a fiery flame. Then he will punish those who don’t know God, that is, those who don’t listen to the Good News of our Lord Yeshua and obey it.
9 They will suffer the just penalty of eternal destruction, far away from the face of the Lord and the glory of his might.
10 On that Day, when he comes to be glorified by his holy people and admired by all who have trusted, you will be among them, because you trusted our witness to you.

In Revelation 20:9-10

9 and they came up over the breadth of the Land and surrounded the camp of God’s people and the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.
10 The Adversary who had deceived them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur,

Christ is not coming with His angels in Revelation 20. Fire comes out of heaven. Christ is in the camp with the saints. Satan has an army marching toward this camp. Satan is not in control being attacked from the air by Christ and His angels. Those people at the end of this 1000 years certainly know God. God is who they are upset with and think they can march against, and force God to meet their demands.

What living are at the GWT? They are all dead. God just emptied sheol and Death. Sheol and Death do not contain the living. 2 Timothy 4:1

"I solemnly charge you before God and the Messiah Yeshua, who will judge the living and the dead when he appears and establishes his Kingdom:"

2 things here: Why is there a judgment of living if all are dead. Why is this when the kingdom is established? You deny there is a kingdom, but the 1000 years is this established kingdom.

If the kingdom was established at the Cross then Paul was pointing out the past decade, not some future point in time.

Paul said coming to establish the kingdom not the creation of the NHNE. This verse is about the Second Coming and the perfect kingdom established on earth free of sin and Adam's flesh and blood, that will last for 1000 years. The dead and living will be judged. The church is now, at the Second coming, dead to sinful flesh and given their reward. The rest of the dead remained judged and still have to stand at the GWT. The Second Coming is the time the spiritual dead are judged. They no longer have an excuse, because God and the Lamb are literally in their faces.

Also the Second Coming is when the church is glorified. Christ being around for another 1000 years does not change that fact.
 
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Is Satan one of the angels who sinned?

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I have been studying this; I think tartarus could be the bottomless pit. Do you equate hell or tartarus in 2 Peter 2:4 with “the earth” in Revelation 12:9?
 
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An angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit in Revelation 9:1-2, which would not be needed unless the pit had been locked previously.

I have shown you on several occasions that Revelation 16:15-16 proves the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Satan is allowed to unlock his angels from the pit in the 5th Trumpet. By the 7th Trumpet the whole assembly had to be kicked out of heaven the second time. They wore out their welcome very quickly. Satan 1000 years later trys to turn folks minds and they are destroyed. Those who follow Satan now, are sure ignoring the last 7000 years. Revelation 16:14-16

14 They are miracle-working demonic spirits which go out to the kings of the whole inhabited world to assemble them for the War of the Great Day of Adonai-Tzva’ot.
15 (“Look! I am coming like a thief! How blessed are those who stay alert and keep their clothes clean, so that they won’t be walking naked and be publicly put to shame!”)
16 And they gathered the kings to the place which in Hebrew is called Har Megiddo.

People who follow Satan do not heed this warning either: (“Look! I am coming like a thief! How blessed are those who stay alert and keep their clothes clean, so that they won’t be walking naked and be publicly put to shame!”). We know Christ is coming to judge the living and the dead. Obviously those at Armageddon could not bother avoiding the event.

“Come, gather together for the great feast God is giving, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of generals, the flesh of important men, the flesh of horses and their riders and the flesh of all kinds of people, free and slave, small and great!”

Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the rich and the mighty — indeed, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks,Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the throne and from the fury of the Lamb!

There is a reason Revelation 16:15 is in parentheses, but perhaps it messes with some interpretations. IT IS A WARNING THAT INTERRUPTS THE NARRATIVE!!

"They are miracle-working demonic spirits which go out to the kings of the whole inhabited world to assemble them for the War of the Great Day of Adonai-Tzva’ot.
And they gathered the kings to the place which in Hebrew is called Har Megiddo."

Christ does not come in the middle of these spirits gathering them to the battle. Christ comes after the battle is in array at Megiddo.

The 7th vial has not been poured out:

17 The seventh one poured out his bowl on the air, and a loud voice came out of the Temple from the throne, saying, “It is done!”
18 There were flashes of lightning, voices and peals of thunder; and there was a massive earthquake, such as has never occurred since mankind has been on earth, so violent was the earthquake.
19 The great city was split into three parts, the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Bavel the Great and made her drink the wine from the cup of his raging fury.
20 Every island fled, and no mountains were to be found.
21 And huge seventy-pound hailstones fell on people from the sky. But the people cursed God for the plague of hail, that it was such a terrible plague.

This all happens prior to the battle of Armageddon. Note the earthquake in Revelation 11:12-13

12 Then the two heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up into heaven in a cloud, while their enemies watched them.
13 In that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were awestruck and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The people are so fickle, their emotions are based on events. They celebrate the death of these 2, then when the city is destroyed in the 7th vial, they give glory to God. Within hours they are standing at the battle of Armageddon in defiance and 60 minutes later, the birds of the air are eating their own flesh. So the warning in Revelation 16:15 sits in the middle of this emotional turmoil.

There is a striking difference between Revelation 6 and the 6th Seal and Revelation 16 and 19 on the battlefield of Armageddon. One is of fear and asking the rocks and mountains to fall on them. The other is one of defiance thinking they will win a battle. The warning of verse 15 is to warn us living today to avoid BOTH events. If you are in the first one you die in the last one. If you are in the last one, you will be separated from God's glory in the Lake of Fire for eternity. What is chronologically off about a warning. There is only one Second Coming event. Do you really think Satan is granted 42 months for no reason at all. (“Look! I am coming like a thief! How blessed are those who stay alert and keep their clothes clean, so that they won’t be walking naked and be publicly put to shame!”) is the vary reason this verse is more than an event. It is a warning that many do not take this warning seriously. If they did, there would not be 42 months nor chapter's 16 and 19 and the battle of Armageddon. If you plan on being at the battle of Armageddon, and standing on the earth, you have interpreted much of Revelation incorrectly. All humanity has been gathered: “Come, gather together for the great feast God is giving, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of generals, the flesh of important men, the flesh of horses and their riders and the flesh of all kinds of people, free and slave, small and great!” Either you are eating or being eaten as dead rotting naked flesh.

The 7th Trumpet is sounding through Satan's 42 months while the 2 witnesses are tormenting these people gathered by the 6th vial, but the vials are poured out while they lay dead, and their bodies getting up and going to heaven proceeds the earthquake. There is no return in the 6th vial and the warning is in parentheses while evil spirits are gathering the whole of humanity to the battle of Armageddon. It is a contrast warning to avoid being gathered by demonic spirits instead of Paul's glorification of the church at the 6th Seal. The fact that Christ comes at the battle after humanity arrives, after the earthquake, after the 2 witnesses go to heaven, after the 6th vial that sends out these demonic messangers, shows verse 15 is a warning not an event. The Second Coming is not during the 6th vial. It is not at the battle of Armageddon. It is at the 6th Seal where these same humans are hiding in the rocks and mountains. Notice again the 7th vial before the battle of Armageddon: "and there was a massive earthquake, such as has never occurred since mankind has been on earth, so violent was the earthquake. The great city was split into three parts, the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Bavel the Great and made her drink the wine from the cup of his raging fury. Every island fled, and no mountains were to be found.

NO mountains to be found. John declares in the 6th Seal, they wanted the mountains to hide them. At the battle of Armageddon, John declares no mountains were to be found.

Yet this thief in the night moment is still ignored as a warning, and contradicts John's written account by many interpretations. There are mountains at the Second Coming. There are no mountains at the battle of Armageddon. And those same people at either event did not prepare themselves very well for both events.
 
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Why would Satan tempt Eve if he was following God's plan at that point in time?


Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:


Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Satan follows God's plan? Do you think it was God's plan to let Adam disobey? Why did you not post the verse that outlines God's plan for Satan. I think it would clear a lot of things up. I have yet to find it myself. I do not see Satan as a glitch in God's plan. I also do not see Satan being bound or not bound as being any inconvenience for God’s plan to be carried out. Satan as an angel does not seem to effect God's plan for humanity, even if some agree with Satan to the contrary. Satan thinks he is in and part of the plan. He thinks he can break and destroy God's plan. All figments of many beings imaginations, or so it seems.

Satan is not bound by God's plan, if perchance there is any part of Satan's thinking that lines up with God's plan. Satan's whole existence seems to be questiong God's plan. Since Satan cannot do anything, all Satan can do is think. The point that Satan is part of the plan or has to follow God's plan is borderline determinism, and God is evil and the author of sin and evil. An evil God cannot be good, even if some acts bring goodness. God cannot be evil, even if having knowledge of good and evil seems like sin and evil intent. Yes God in creation allowed sin to be. In fact some accept that is all this reality is about. That is a shame, though, that many think and feel that way.
 
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Satan's fall in Eden is in Ezekiel 31. How do we know this him? See Isaiah 14.

On a side note notice in Isaiah 14:25 Lucifer is called an Assyrian. Now look at Genesis 2:14, Eden is beside Assyria. Is the Assyrian empire beside Eden during the time of Adam and Eve. Also notice the use of the word Lebanon. Are Eden and Lebanon the same place? Makes you think doesn't it.
Isaiah 14 is about the king of Babylon. Assyria had already defeated the Northern kingdom of Israel. Assyria was led by the king of Nineveh, the one who repented after Jonah arrived in a large fish. So Assyria became great and caused the dispersion of the 10 tribes as Israel. Now it was time for the king of Babylon to destroy Assyria. This verse is not about Eden or Satan. It is part of the prophecy that Judah would soon be captured and carried off to Babylon, right after Babylon defeated Assyria.

The Garden of Eden went to Heaven at the Flood of Noah's day, and is called Paradise now.

Any one claiming it was ruled by Satan and ended up in sheol is lying. That is what Satan wants people to think. Look at Greek mythology. Satan gives humans much of their thoughts they write about.

Considering where all the Rivers are, mentioned in Genesis 2, the Garden was the whole middle east. From northern Turkey to the upper Nile. From Greece/Libya to Iran. The Mediterranean did not exist before Noah's Flood.
 
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The term 42 months does not appear in Revelation 12. So I have no idea why you are bringing up 42 months.
Is there a spiritual difference between forty two and 42?
Revelation 11:2

2 But the court outside the Temple, leave that out; don’t measure it; because it has been given to the Goyim, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months.

Revelation 13:5

5 It was given a mouth speaking arrogant blasphemies; and it was given authority to act for forty-two months.

I cannot make my post short as it is. Do you really think writing 42 is wrong, and I should be writing forty two or fortytwo or forty-two?

The times, time and half of time is Satan's 42 months as seen in 11 and 13. The historical side note is a symbolic usage of the time. 42 months is literal.

BTW: 42 months is a time, times, and a half. 12 months, 24 months, 6 months.

3.5 is the same time, times, and a half just 1 year, 2 years, 6 months.

1260 days is time, times, half a time. 360 days, 720 days, and 180 days.

3500 years is 1000 years, 2000 years, and 500 years.

500 years from Daniel to Christ is viewed as 483 or the full 490. Where the other 10 years apply? Between Daniel and when the decree went out?
 
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I have been studying this; I think tartarus could be the bottomless pit. Do you equate hell or tartarus in 2 Peter 2:4 with “the earth” in Revelation 12:9?


Yes. I think you are on the right track here.

This planet is now the prison of Satan, and the wicked angels who followed him.

From an astronomer's point of view the earth's gravitational field can be regarded as a gravity well, which in some ways is analogous to a "pit".
During ancient times pits in the ground were often used as prisons. Joseph was placed in a pit by his brothers, and there is also a pit at the home of Caiaphas where many people believe Christ spent the night before He was crucified.
This may help explain 3 days and 3 nights in the pit of the earth.


(1) The Pit at Caiaphas’ House Israel - YouTube

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I cannot make my post short as it is. Do you really think writing 42 is wrong, and I should be writing forty two or fortytwo or forty-two?
I was not referring to whether you wrote "42" or "forty two" as being an issue.

I was referring to the fact that neither "forty two" nor "42" months is found in Revelation 12.


BTW: 42 months is a time, times, and a half. 12 months, 24 months, 6 months.

3.5 is the same time, times, and a half just 1 year, 2 years, 6 months.

1260 days is time, times, half a time. 360 days, 720 days, and 180 days.

The times, time and half of time is Satan's 42 months as seen in 11 and 13. The historical side note is a symbolic usage of the time. 42 months is literal.
The term time, times, half time is not an "exact" equivalent to 42 months in bible prophecy.

You are using a phrase "Satan's 42 months". That terminology that you created is confusing.

There is Satan. And there is 42 months. But not Satan's 42 months, a combined phrase.

What do you mean by Satan's 42 months ?

BTW: 42 months is a time, times, and a half. 12 months, 24 months, 6 months.

3.5 is the same time, times, and a half just 1 year, 2 years, 6 months.

1260 days is time, times, half a time. 360 days, 720 days, and 180 days.

42 months = 1260 days = time/times/half time That's what you are saying.



In normal circumstances, yes, those are exact equivalents when converted to each other. But not in Revelation.

Those three different time expressions are given for a reason. The 42 months is a little less than 1260 days. And the time/times/half times is slightly different as well.

In Revelation 11:

1260 days of the two witnesses's testimony + 3 1/2 days that they bodies lie dead in the streets = 1263.5 days.... leaving 1256.5 days in the 7 years (2520 days).

Rather than say 1256.5 days, the bible uses the term 42 months. So that is what I mean by the 42 months is not an exact conversion to 1260 days....in Revelation.
 
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I was not referring to whether you wrote "42" or "forty two" as being an issue.

I was referring to the fact that neither "forty two" nor "42" months is found in Revelation 12.
The term time, times, half time is not an "exact" equivalent to 42 months in bible prophecy.

You are using a phrase "Satan's 42 months". That terminology that you created is confusing.

There is Satan. And there is 42 months. But not Satan's 42 months, a combined phrase.

What do you mean by Satan's 42 months ?


42 months = 1260 days = time/times/half time That's what you are saying.

In normal circumstances, yes, those are exact equivalents when converted to each other. But not in Revelation.

Those three different time expressions are given for a reason. The 42 months is a little less than 1260 days. And the time/times/half times is slightly different as well.

In Revelation 11:

1260 days of the two witnesses's testimony + 3 1/2 days that they bodies lie dead in the streets = 1263.5 days.... leaving 1256.5 days in the 7 years (2520 days).

Rather than say 1256.5 days, the bible uses the term 42 months. So that is what I mean by the 42 months is not an exact conversion to 1260 days....in Revelation.
42 months is Satan’s time on earth per Revelation 12, and him coming to earth to enable the FP. Do you want a longer or shorter time for Revelation 13:5?

Can you fit your precise math and place the 42 months between April 5, 2023 and September 17, 2026

The week of April 2 - 9. 7th Trumpet

Interruption places those 3.5 days of the 2 witnesses September 17, 18, 19, and 12 hours on Sunday. Saturday 6pm to Sunday 6am.

Sunday afternoon 5pm to 6pm battle of Armageddon. Monday Yom Kippur....
 
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Isaiah 14 is about the king of Babylon. Assyria had already defeated the Northern kingdom of Israel. Assyria was led by the king of Nineveh, the one who repented after Jonah arrived in a large fish. So Assyria became great and caused the dispersion of the 10 tribes as Israel. Now it was time for the king of Babylon to destroy Assyria. This verse is not about Eden or Satan. It is part of the prophecy that Judah would soon be captured and carried off to Babylon, right after Babylon defeated Assyria.

The Garden of Eden went to Heaven at the Flood of Noah's day, and is called Paradise now.

Any one claiming it was ruled by Satan and ended up in sheol is lying. That is what Satan wants people to think. Look at Greek mythology. Satan gives humans much of their thoughts they write about.

Considering where all the Rivers are, mentioned in Genesis 2, the Garden was the whole middle east. From northern Turkey to the upper Nile. From Greece/Libya to Iran. The Mediterranean did not exist before Noah's Flood.

Three very detailed pieces of scripture, each with symbolic and literal discussion about Eden and each contain references to Assyria or the inhabitants of Assyria. Three relating pieces of scripture seems like a decent Bibical basis to me to solidify my claim. To ignore that to fit ones theology seem like bad hermeneutics to me.

Last but not least look at Isaiah 14:4, it's a proverb against the king of Babylon and so he's not in it, he is symbolic of whats in the proverb. It's all about context.

Isaiah 14:4
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

The statement of the Garden of Eden going to heaven is pure speculation on your part no scriptural basis what so ever. How did you come up with that idea

Who is Satan in Greek mythology?

"Anyone claiming it was ruled by Satan is lying" although I dont think that, how do you know that he didn't rule Eden?

Your statement about the rivers of Eden is a broad generalization and saying the Mediterranean didnt exist is speculation on your part.
 
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42 months is Satan’s time on earth per Revelation 12, and him coming to earth to enable the FP. Do you want a longer or shorter time for Revelation 13:5?

Can you fit your precise math and place the 42 months between April 5, 2023 and September 17, 2026

The week of April 2 - 9. 7th Trumpet

Interruption places those 3.5 days of the 2 witnesses September 17, 18, 19, and 12 hours on Sunday. Saturday 6pm to Sunday 6am.

Sunday afternoon 5pm to 6pm battle of Armageddon. Monday Yom Kippur....



Are you predicting the day of the Second Coming of Christ?


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