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It is ok, I did not think you would. My prayer is that you may be blessed in our conversation. Thank you for the discussion.
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FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS (BIKKURIM)
Leviticus 23:9-11 [9] And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, [10] “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest, [11] and he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, so that you may be accepted. ON THE DAY AFTER THE SABBATH THE PRIEST SHALL WAVE IT.
FEAST OF WEEKS (SHAVUOT)
Leviticus 23:15-16 [15] “YOU SHALL COUNT SEVEN FULL WEEKS FROM THE DAY AFTER THE SABBATH, FROM THE DAY THAT YOU BROUGHT THE SHEAF OF THE WAVE OFFERING. [16] YOU SHALL COUNT FIFTY DAYS TO THE DAY AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH. THEN YOU SHALL PRESENT A GRAIN OFFERING OF NEW GRAIN TO THE LORD.
TWO HARVEST FEASTS
Exodus 23:14-16 Three times you shall keep a feast to Me in the year: You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread . . . and the Feast of Harvest, the firstfruits of your labours which you have sown in the field; and the Feast of harvest at the end of the year . . ."
Besides being called the Feast of Weeks in Leviticus 23, this special feast celebration is called the “Day of the Firstfruits” in Numbers 28:26 and the “Feast of Harvest” in Exodus 23:16 but note the Feast of Weeks takes place exactly 50 days after the first Feast of Firstfruits. It normally occurs in late spring, either the last part of May or the beginning of June. This Feast is calculated as being “fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath” (Leviticus 23:15–16; Deuteronomy 16:9–10).
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Many people like yourself get the Feast of Bikkurim (Firstfruits) and Shavuot (called Feast of weeks or Feast of Harvest, or Feast of Ingathering or Pentecost) mixed up. The reason why is because both of these festivals are actually feasts of firstfruits and sometimes we find both of them being referred to as “Feast of Firstfruits“ although they are held at different dates and times according to the scriptures!
What makes matters worse is that in Hebrew the word "Bikkurim" literally means “firstfruits“.
Hence, linguistically speaking, both the spring AND summer biblical feasts are technically "Bikkurim"! but held at different dates and times.
However, to make things simple, lets refer to the Spring Feast of Firstfruits as "Bikkurim" and the Summer Feast of Firstfruits as "Shavuot" or the “Feast of Weeks; Harvest, Ingathering, Pentecost (different bible translations)”.
Now "Bikkurim" (Spring Feast of Firstfruits) was a ONE-DAY event just like Passover was. Verse 11 tells us it is supposed to be observed “the day after the Sabbath”. So unlike Passover which is always celebrated on Nissan 14, "Bikkurim" is not assigned a fixed date as it can fall on a different date every year depending on the yearly cycle. Its timing is determined by which days of the week Passover and Unleavened Bread fall.
However, much confusion (between the Scribes and Pharisees) had arisen in the past concerning when exactly to observe "Bikkurim" because of the phrase “the day after the Sabbath”. For example, is this phrase referring to the regular 7th day weekly Sabbath? Or is it referring to one of the preparation day sabbaths (annual Feast sabbaths) connected to the feasts? This issue has been debated vigorously amongst the scribes and pharisees for ages.
I’m not going to go into all the reasoning behind the decision or we’ll be here forever, but in the final analysis, it was decided that Firstfruits (the first harvest Feast Bikkurim) was to be observed every year on the set day of Nissan 16 which follows right after the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Ultimately it was determined that the “sabbath” being referred to in verse 11 was NOT the regular weekly 7th day weekly Sabbath but instead was referring to the preparation day sabbath which is the 1st day of Unleavened Bread (on Nissan 15).
Remember that the 1st and last days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread are to be sabbath days (shadow sabbaths not necessarily God's 4th commandment) that can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.
The breakdown is as follows:
NISSAN 14=Passover
NISSAN 15=1st Day of Unleavened Bread (to be considered a sabbath not the Sabbath)
Note: Nisan 15, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Chag ha-Matzot), is an annual shadow sabbath, but not necessarily a 7th-day-of-the-week-Sabbath. It can fall on any day of the week.
NISSAN 16=Feast of Firstfruits
Two technical points to keep in mind are that leaven is also to be avoided on Passover Day and the Feast of Unleavened Bread continues on for seven days starting on Nissan 15
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I am not sure why you have made this comment. Nothing that I have written refers to the teachings of Judaism.
Did you read what was written?I wrote:
“Some claim, "...Gentile converts...were ignorant of Jewish Laws" and that "Sabbath keeping:...was unfamiliar to the Gentiles." “
I have quoted Josephus' facts of history,merely to show how wrong these claims were,not to use his beliefs to support my views.
Not sure how this has any bearing on what I have written.No scripture I know of,supports what you mention above about a universal law of Noah.
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Pesakh is on the 14th, unleavened starts on the 15th and goes until the 21st. It is pretty simple. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at dusk is the LORD's Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD; seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work. And ye shall bring an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days; in the seventh day is a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work. (Leviticus 23:5–8)
On the morning of the day after the Sabbath of Pesakh, the wave sheaf is waved. This was the first fruits of the barley. If the Sabbath falls on the 15th, then it is waved on the 16th...
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Acts 15 was the conflict over circumcision, nothing to do with the commandments of God found in Exodus 20. Circumcision was a ceremonial law that was meant for the Israelites during the time of the wilderness.
The conclusion of the matter is:
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
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God's law has 10 commandments that are plainly distinguished in scripture as the covenant. The covenant was not only spoken but written by the hand of God.
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
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In Acts 15 Peter and James clearly discern the difference between what the Pharisees from Jerusalem taught was the "Law of Moses", and what Moses actually taught.
The "Yoke" the father's couldn't bear was not the teaching of Moses, but the teaching of the Shepherds which led God's People astray. At least according to the Jesus of the Bible.
Jesus pointed this out to Peter in Matt. 23, and Peter is passing this teaching on to the Gentiles, as of course he would..
Matt. 15:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, (Peter was there)
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (they alone, have the Oracles of God, at least at that time)
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
So When the Scribes read the Word of God, listen to what is written, and observe it. But don't listen to the Scribes interpretation. Because they say they promote the Law of Moses, but they do not.
4 For they ( Pharisees, not Moses) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, (Yoke) and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
So Jesus directed the multitude and His Disciples to learn about the Gospel of Christ from Moses, same as Paul in Roman's 1, and directed them away from the Mainstream Preachers of HIS Time, who claimed to be spokesman for God, (For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me) but were not.
So it is no wonder Peter directed the Gentiles away from these preachers from Jerusalem in the exact same way.
So Peter directed the Gentiles away from the "Preachers" of Jerusalem, and the "Yoke" these "Vipers" and "Hypocrites" has laid on the necks of their fathers for centuries. And directed the Gentiles, exactly the same way Jesus directed them, which was toward the actual Word's of Moses.
Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Not All Gentiles, just those who have turned to the God of the Bible.
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication,(Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses)
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues (Moses Seat) every sabbath day.
I am both fascinated and somewhat terrified that the Mainstream Preachers of our time has succeeded in convincing so many people that it was the God of the Bible, who saved Abraham's Children from Egypt, only to burden them with a "Yoke" they couldn't bear, and they have twisted Acts 15 as their support for such an insidious lie.
But I shouldn't be surprised, as the Bible warns of the religious philosophies of the "other voice" since Eve in Genesis, and continues these warnings throughout until Revelations. "come out of her My people".
I hope you might consider.
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So did John the baptist. The rulers had divided the kingdom as sectarians, with their own disciples. But their office of authority as Judges remained. The high priest, and the judges still ruled (together)in the law of Moses.;
Moses seat.....The difficult cases, to difficult for the lower courts.
Ex 18:13 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.
Mt 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Lower courts
Ex 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.
The rule of authority in the law of this high court
Dt 17:8 If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up into the place which the LORD thy God shall choose;
come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment:
10 And thou shalt do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee:
11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee:
Read the above again. It is the law of Moses.....Rulers in the law are to be obeyed in their judgement. The Sadducees and Pharisees were "sects". Which when sitting in the seat of Moses both sects as rulers high Priest (as chief justice) and Judge (which brought the case from a lower court) together ruled. The pronouncement from that seat was not sectarian.
De 21:5 And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them the LORD thy God hath chosen to minister unto him, and to bless in the name of the LORD; and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be tried:
See here.....
The rule of the high priest
Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Ac 23:4 And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God’s high priest?
Ac 23:5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.
The Church has been given authority in the Gospel of Christ Jesus and to understand the patterns and the shadows and the examples. That is different than having authority in the law of Moses. The competing sects had schools for their disciples to follow their ways. But what came from the seat of moses was without dispute of their sectarian ideas.
Ro 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. {not … : or, not to judge his doubtful thoughts
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Are you stuck on the word "feast"? Yom HaBikkurim...is not Shavuot. I NEVER said it was!
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That is a popular religious philosophy taught by the religions of the world we are born into. But Not what the Scriptures teach. The "Judges" as you call them, did not "Rule in the Law of Moses". They "SAID" they did, but Jesus said they didn't.
He said they didn't over and over and over and over and over and over. He said they didn't "believe Moses". He said Moses gave them the Judgments, but they didn't keep the judgments. And HIS Disciples said the very same thing.
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
So my question for you is, "why don't you believe all these Scriptures which tell us over and over, that the Pharisees and Scribes and High Priest were NOT "RULING in the Law of Moses"?
Where is your preaching on Act's 15 now? You have completely ignored the reply and have completely changed to subject.
Can you tell me when John The Baptist joined with the High Priest? Can you show me where HE frequented the Synagogues and "Judged together" with the Pharisees and Scribes?
When Jesus went to get baptized/cleansed according to the Law of Moses, did HE go to the High Priest in the Temple that you are preaching were the Judges that "Ruled in the Law of Moses"? Or did HE go to the True Levite Priest to perform the Priesthood duty of Baptism?
What is frustrating Ralliann, is that so many religious men won't answer these questions. They have a religious philosophy, and they are here promoting it. When others post scriptures and desire an honest examination of the Scriptures, they will not engage. They just move on to anther verse they believe promotes their religious philosophy.
They mean well, they were just taught these things by the mainstream preachers of our time, just as the people were led astray by the mainstream preachers of Jesus time.. But you have the Oracles of God in your own hands now. You don't need a Levite Priest, or any priest, to hear the Word of God. You have "Moses' Seat" in your own Home, in your own hands.
Are we not to seek Biblical Truth? Are we not warned over and over of the dangers of listening to the philosophies of men and their religious traditions?
Why don't you go back the Acts 15, and address my reply. Show me in it where my understanding is wrong according to scriptures.
After that, you can explain why you preach the "Judges" ruled together in the Law of Moses, when Jesus said they were Children of the Devil who "Taught for doctrines the commandments of men"?
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No, others are stuck on inserting a feast into the bible.
Nu 28:26 Also in the day of the firstfruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the LORD, after your weeks be out, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work:
Though Numbers is quite clear, I guess it still is not enough
Copied and pasted from my Jewish learning
Shavuot
the “Feast of Weeks,” is celebrated seven weeks after Passover (Pesach). Since the counting of this period (sefirat ha-omer) begins on the second evening of Passover, Shavuot takes place exactly 50 days after the (first) seder. Hence, following the Greek word for “fifty,” Shavuot is also referred to sometimes as Pentecost.
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Thanks .I would offer another perspective.
It is one of those words that should of ben translated into English or any known language like the word Apostles the foundation meaning have been changed using words foreign to another's understanding. And therefore violating the warning not to add new meaning to a word (Deuteronomy 4:2 )
There can be others but rest (sabbath) and sent one (apostle) are two that have caused much confusion when looking at the context and how they are used its easy to see meanings has been changed. . changing the authors intent. .
The word rest (sabbath)is a non time sensitive word to begin with. It simply means rest or sleep. It is not a outward sign a person has been born again. No such thing as "sign gift" in that way. We walk by faith the unseen eternal .
Changing the ceremonial shadow a carnal ordinance from the 7th day to the first, as a new era of shadows of rest leading toward eternal rest in the new heavens and earth. Then the shadow will disappear having received our new propmised incorruptible bodies .
Again the paraphrasers for some reason changed the word sabbaths into into the word "week" . The Youngs literal translates it Sabbaths in Mathew 28 as to a new era of shadows . But they follow the others calling rest, week. the other nine times times.
Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre
Above (YLT)the new era of rests .Below (KJ) the improper use of the non time senititive word rest (sabbath )
Matthew 28 King James Version (KJV) In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Week a word that was not even used in the Greek when inspired from heaven. It was inspired as rest not week. It would appear over zealous 7th day keepers hoping to self edify their own flesh . Jesus says they have received their reward of false fame.
It seems easy to see they use the word rest out of context. The parable of a man in false fame claiming he only ate two to the allowing meals on the fast out of three and on the same day (not week) he brought his tithe. To me is like trying to put as square beg into a round opening .
Luke 18:12 (YLT) I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
It should be I fast twice in the sabbath , I give tithes of all that I possess.
Again the remainder of times (9) the YLT translation makes the same error. Changing a non time sensitive word "rest" into one that is non time sensitive "week".
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I will just take this from your post.
* you quoted...
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
* I already quoted... but here it is again
Prophetic utterance of the high priest......Because of his office (annointing)
Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
* you quoted
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
I quoted
32 ἄγγελος aggelos ang’-el-os
from aggello [probably derived from 71, cf. 34] (to bring tidings); n m; TDNT-1:74,12; {See TDNT 13}
AV-angel 179, messenger 7; 186
1) a messenger, envoy, one who is sent {#Mt 11:10 Lu 7:27 9:52 Mr 1:2 Jas 2:25}
2) an angel
*I quoted...
Mal 2:7 For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger (aka angel) of the LORD of hosts.
Messenger here is
04397 מלאך mal’ak mal-awk’
from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; n m; [BDB-521b] {See TWOT on 1068 @@ "1068a"}
AV-angel 111, messenger 98, ambassadors 4, variant 1; 214
1) messenger, representative
1a) messenger
1b) angel
1c) the theophanic angel
And here
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Deut 33:8 And of Levi he said (8804), Let thy Thummim and thy Urim be with thy holy one
The holy one is the high priest
10 They shall teach Jacob thy judgments, and Israel thy law: they shall put incense before thee, and whole burnt sacrifice upon thine altar.
And I already gave you deuteronomy 17.
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