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Below find : 5 Bible translations PRE 1611 KJV that ALL say departure not falling away.

A falling away/departure from what? The christian faith or the earth?

KJV Dictionary Definition: DEPARTURE, n.

1. The act of going away; a moving from or leaving a place; as a departure from London.

The time of my departure is at hand. 2 Tim. 4.

Firstly, who cares what the pre-1611 translations say. Not only were they based on fewer and more recent texts but they used language in a different way 400 years ago. The important thing is what the Greek text says and means.
 
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See, your interpretation of Thessalonians 2:3 is calling almost every English bible translation inaccurate and not a trustworthy translation of the Word of God
That's a problem.
If you want to believe in a pretribulational rapture we can both disagree and have our own views.
But if you want to declare the word of God has not been preserved in meaning, I have to admonish you as a brother, and say you're absolutely wrong. Definitively wrong. It just looks like grasping for straws to interpret 2 Thessalonians 2:3 the way you do. It looks like fear and desperation like you recognize that pretribulationalism might be wrong and are desperately searching for a prooftext to back up your position.
If you want to interpret the restrainer as the holy spirit and the church and use that as your claim to pretribulational rapture.. we'd agree to disagree. But since the restrainer is left to interpretation and the verses mean the same thing across all versions of the bible.. I can't really rebuke you over that. But to change the meaning of a verse so drastically as to make most English bibles inaccurate and the word of God is not preserved in meaning? I can't accept that.
How could you possibly accept that?
That's fear.
That's desperation.
That is WICKED.
I couldn't agree more. This is an absolutely desperate attempt to keep his pre-tribulation rapture belief afloat. And, honestly, it's embarrassing. He also is trying to say the day of the Lord is different than the day of Christ. Come on. This is a blatant case of intellectual dishonesty. The Greek word apostasia clearly means to fall away or depart from the faith. The English translators who translated it as a falling away or rebellion knew what they were doing.

Paul was speaking in 2 Thess 2:1-3 about the same falling away/departure from the faith that he wrote about here:

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
 
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I couldn't agree more. This is an absolutely desperate attempt to keep his pre-tribulation rapture belief afloat. And, honestly, it's embarrassing. He also is trying to say the day of the Lord is different than the day of Christ. Come on. This is a blatant case of intellectual dishonesty. The Greek word apostasia clearly means to fall away or depart from the faith. The English translators who translated it as a falling away or rebellion knew what they were doing.

Paul was speaking in 2 Thess 2:1-3 about the same falling away/departure from the faith that he wrote about here:

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
I WAS more willing to accept a possibility of the "day of the Lord" being different from "the day of Christ" because it's a different term and say "okay fine" even though I always thought it was the same. But now that I look at several English Translations of 2 Thessalonians 2:2 side by side, many of them have "the day of the Lord" rather than Christ so to preserve meanings across all translations, then yes, the day of Christ has to be the Day of the Lord.

So that said.. a plain reading of 2 Thessalonians 2 doesn't leave much wiggle room for pretribulationism, because Paul has equated the rapture as happening at the same time as "the day of the Lord" (IE Jesus comes in the clouds, raptures the elect, and then the wrath of God begins right then and there). He also gives the event prerequisite conditions including the Antichrist being revealed, which puts a serious dent in pretribulationism.

It's odd because many pretribulationists like to use 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 as essential prooftexts for their position but it's like sure, if you want to yank those verses out of context and ignore 2 Thessalonians 2:1... but all in context.. it refutes pretribulationism.
 
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Rapture shadows

Revelations begins speaking to 7 churches. No mention of the church after Rev chapter 4 verse 1 until post tribulation..

Why? Because the Church is gone, caught-up/raptured

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said," """Come up hither"""", and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter
(MY NOTE: The "come up hither" is the Rapture)

Rev 4:1 a door was opened in heaven:
Shadow verse
1 Thes 4:16 the Lord himself shall descend from heaven

Rev 4:1 a trumpet talking with me
Shadow verse
1 Thes 4:16 voice of the archangel, & with the trump ofGod

Rev 4:1 "come up hither":
Shadow verse
1 Thes 4:17 "caught up together" & so shall we ever be with the Lord

Rapture shadow 2

1st Pentecost in the the Lord gives Moses the law & the Nation of Israel is born.

1st post resurrection Pentecost the Lord gives His indwelling Holy Spirit to believers & the Christian church is born.

Ex 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
Shadow verse
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Ex 19:16 (b) There were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount,
Shadow verse
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Ex 19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
Shadow verse
Hos 6:2 (B) In the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
BTW we are now early in the 3rd post resurrection day.

Ex 19:20 (A) And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai,
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1 Thes 4:16 (A) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,

Ex 19:20 (B) The LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; ""and Moses went up"".
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1 Thes 1:17 Then ""we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air"". Amen

Soon very Soon!
 
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Rapture shadows

Revelations begins speaking to 7 churches. No mention of the church after Rev chapter 4 verse 1 until post tribulation..

Why? Because the Church is gone, caught-up/raptured

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said," """Come up hither"""", and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter
(MY NOTE: The "come up hither" is the Rapture)
How are you turning visions being shown to one person (John) into the catching up of the church? Talk about a stretch. There is no basis whatsoever for making that connection.

Also, to say that there is no mention of the church after Revelation 4? You have to be kidding.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Who do you think these souls are "that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held" and who do you think "their fellowservants also and their brethren" are?

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Do you somehow think that those "which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" are not the church?

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Are "the saints" somehow not the church? Who else would they be?

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Are "the saints" which are "they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus" somehow not the church? Who else would they be?

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Who is Jesus talking to here if not His church?
 
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How are you turning visions being shown to one person (John) into the catching up of the church? Talk about a stretch. There is no basis whatsoever for making that connection.

Also, to say that there is no mention of the church after Revelation 4? You have to be kidding.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Who do you think these souls are "that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held" and who do you think "their fellowservantas also and their brethren" are?

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Do you somehow think that those "which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" are not the church?

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Are "the saints" somehow not the church? Who else would they be?

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Are "the saints" which are "they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus" somehow not the church? Who else would they be?

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Who is Jesus talking to here if not His church?

It's my own personal view. I have no problem with anyone that has a different view. Only believers are caught-up MANY people are left.

Today's NT church are those indwelt via Christ's H/S. OT has saints also saved via faith, yet, never H/S indwelt. Moving on:

Zec 14:
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
(MY NOTE: When Jesus returns HIS FEET shall stand on Mt Olives (same place he ascended from Acts 1:9-11)

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
(MY NOTE: The LORD my God shall come & ALL THE SAINTS ARE WITH HIM!).

I posted the above Zec verses in the OP. I'll add a couple more here:

Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
(MY NOTE: When the Lord returns ten thousands of saints ARE WITH HIM)

1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
(MY NOTE: When the Lord Jesus returns ALL HIS SAINTS ARE WITH HIM)

When does this happen? IMMEDIATELY AFTER the coming tribulation.

Matt 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(MY NOTE: IMMEDIATELY AFTER the coming tribulation)

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(MY NOTE: Christ comes in the clouds of heaven with power & great glory, IMMEDIATELY AFTER the coming tribulation. ALL HIS SAINTS ARE WITH HIM.)

The Body/Bride of Christ/Church escapes God's wrath vrs posted in OP.

The great tribulation is called the time of Jacob’s/ISRAEL trouble (Jer 30:7). Peace, JJ
 
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It's my own personal view. I have no problem with anyone that has a different view. Only believers are caught-up MANY people are left.

Today's NT church are those indwelt via Christ's H/S. OT has saints also saved via faith, yet, never H/S indwelt.
The bottom line is that there is no basis at all for thinking that "the saints" who "have the testimony of Jesus Christ" are not the church and don't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Where does scripture ever say that those who believe in Christ would stop being indwelt by the Holy Spirit at some point? It absolutely does not say that.

The only wrath that the church needs to be taken away from is the final global wrath that comes on the day Christ returns as described in 2 Peter 3:3-13. There is no need for the church to be taken off of the earth before that.
 
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The bottom line is that there is no basis at all for thinking that "the saints" who "have the testimony of Jesus Christ" are not the church and don't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Where does scripture ever say that those who believe in Christ would stop being indwelt by the Holy Spirit at some point? It absolutely does not say that.

The only wrath that the church needs to be taken away from is the final global wrath that comes on the day Christ returns as described in 2 Peter 3:3-13. There is no need for the church to be taken off of the earth before that.

The tribulation is where the wrath of God is poured out. Christ's church is delivered/escapes the coming tribulation wrath.

1 Thes 1:10, And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even ""Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come""

Rom 5:9 being now justified by his blood ""we shall be saved from wrath"" through him

1 thes 5:9 ""God hath not appointed us to wrath"" but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

The angels couldn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot and his family were clear

Noah and his family were delivered from wrath before the flood came

Isa 26:
20 "Come my people, enter our chambers & shut the door behind you, "hide yourself until the indignation is past"
(MY NOTE: God's people are to enter our chambers. Our bridal chambers? To hide from God's coming indignation/wrath/judgement on unbelievers)

21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
(MY NOTE: The LORD cometh out of his place to punish the Christ rejecting/unbelievers of the earth for their iniquity/sins)

Here's why:
The Body of Christ/believers/church: Their iniquity/sins were forgiven & nailed to His Cross. The believers/church will be hidden away with their Bridegroom. Believers/The Bride/Body of Church have peace & reconciliation, via belief/FAITH placed in Christ's redemptive sin atoning sacrifice. Found in Christ's death, burial & resurrection 1 Cor 15:1-4.
 
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We see here the church escaping the wrath of the great tribulation soon to be poured out:

1 Thes 1:10, And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even ""Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come""

Rom 5:9 being now justified by his blood ""we shall be saved from wrath"" through him

1 thes 5:9 ""God hath not appointed us to wrath"" but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

The angels couldn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot and his family were clear
Right. And the wrath came down the same day that they were cleared from there. The same thing will happen on the day Christ returns. We will be "changed" and caught up to meet the Lord in the air and then His wrath will come down as described in 2 Peter 3:3-13.

Noah and his family were delivered from wrath before the flood came
Exactly. That was global wrath just like what will come down when Christ comes again, as described in 2 Peter 3:3-7,10-12. We don't need to be taken away from the wrath until just before it comes down on the earth. There's no basis for thinking that believers need to be taken off of the earth years before His final wrath comes down. Scripture never teaches that.
 
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Right. And the wrath came down the same day that they were cleared from there. The same thing will happen on the day Christ returns. We will be "changed" and caught up to meet the Lord in the air and then His wrath will come down as described in 2 Peter 3:3-13.

Exactly. That was global wrath just like what will come down when Christ comes again, as described in 2 Peter 3:3-7,10-12. We don't need to be taken away from the wrath until just before it comes down on the earth. There's no basis for thinking that believers need to be taken off of the earth years before His final wrath comes down. Scripture never teaches that.

1st, I respect your right to your personal belief.

2ndly, to be clear, I never said God needs to do anything. I said He delivered Noah from coming wrath.

3rdly, I would do anything in my power to keep my bride of 25 years out of harms way. I believe Christ is going to do the same for His.

Finally, we disagree, I'm fine with & will leave it at that. Best wishes, JJ
 
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1st, I respect your right to your personal belief.

2ndly, to be clear, I never said God needs to do anything. I said He delivered Noah from coming wrath.

3rdly, I would do anything in my power to keep my bride of 25 years out of harms way. I believe Christ is going to do the same for His.

Finally, we disagree, I'm fine with & will leave it at that. Best wishes, JJ
We actually don't disagree that Christ will keep us from His wrath. We just disagree on how long His wrath will last, apparently. God is perfectly capable of keeping us safe while still on the earth. In my view, the only point in which that would not be reasonably possible any longer is when what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 occurs and Peter indicated that will occur on the day Christ comes back.
 
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I have enjoyed reading the comments on this topic. For the last few months, I have wondered where we are on the timeline. Last Sunday, our pastor said that church attendance has decreased 70% nationwide, supposedly due to Covid-19. Though our church's doors were only closed for a couple of weeks (we had church in the parking lot for two weeks in March), we have still had a whole lot of people who have not returned. Considering the number of people who have fallen away from attending church this year, do you think this is the falling away that the Apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Thes. 2:3?
 
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Firstly, who cares what the pre-1611 translations say. Not only were they based on fewer and more recent texts but they used language in a different way 400 years ago. The important thing is what the Greek text says and means.

I actually care because I consider NU text to be heresy.
 
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Rapture shadows

Revelations begins speaking to 7 churches. No mention of the church after Rev chapter 4 verse 1 until post tribulation..

Why? Because the Church is gone, caught-up/raptured

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said," """Come up hither"""", and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter
(MY NOTE: The "come up hither" is the Rapture)

Rev 4:1 a door was opened in heaven:
Shadow verse
1 Thes 4:16 the Lord himself shall descend from heaven

Rev 4:1 a trumpet talking with me
Shadow verse
1 Thes 4:16 voice of the archangel, & with the trump ofGod

Rev 4:1 "come up hither":
Shadow verse
1 Thes 4:17 "caught up together" & so shall we ever be with the Lord

Rapture shadow 2

1st Pentecost in the the Lord gives Moses the law & the Nation of Israel is born.

1st post resurrection Pentecost the Lord gives His indwelling Holy Spirit to believers & the Christian church is born.

Ex 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
Shadow verse
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Ex 19:16 (b) There were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount,
Shadow verse
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Ex 19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
Shadow verse
Hos 6:2 (B) In the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
BTW we are now early in the 3rd post resurrection day.

Ex 19:20 (A) And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai,
Shadow verse
1 Thes 4:16 (A) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,

Ex 19:20 (B) The LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; ""and Moses went up"".
Shadow verse
1 Thes 1:17 Then ""we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air"". Amen

Soon very Soon!

Shadows:
Via the Mosaic law trumpets & shofars were blown for a variety of reasons.
assembly, announcements, time of day, time of prayer, war, celebration, new moon, full moon, new year etc.

Silver trumpet call to assemble
Num 10:
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.
(MY NOTE: Vs 1: The Lord commands Moses; Vs 2; Make 2 trumpets out of 1 single piece of silver, use these trumpets to call the people to ASSEMBLY)

The trumpet VOICE commands/call to ASSEMBLE:
Ex 19:
16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.

19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

20 And the Lord came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the Lord called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.
(MY NOTE: Vs 16: the VOICE of the trumpet; Vs 17: calls the people to meet/assemble before/with God; Vs 19: the VOICE of the trumpet sound & waxes LOUDER & LOUDER, Moses speaks & God answers him by a VOICE, Vs 20: the Lord descended down the Mt & called Moses up to the top)

1 Thes 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(MY NOTE: Vs 16: The Lord himself descends down from heaven with a SHOUT, with the VOICE of the archangel, with the TRUMP of of God & the dead in Christ will be ASSEMBLED. Vs 17 believers which are alive will be caught up/ASSEMBLED together with them, to meet the Lord in the air)

1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(MY NOTE: When this last trump sounds, the dead shall be raised/ASSEMBLED. I say the same trump of God we see in Thes 4)

Rev 11:
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
(MY NOTE: The angel blows the 7th trump as the King is crowned).

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
(MY NOTE: The elders are already in heaven! And so is the caught-up Church)

Final thoughts

At the rapture/call to assembly trump of God. We will be gathered/assembled to witness the Kings coronation. The Father hands him the book with the seven seals/earths title deed. We will be safe from the wrath that follows.

1st Pentecost the OT law covenant is given

1st post resurrection Pentecost the NT indwelling Holy Spirit is given.

The agricultural pilgrimage harvest feasts: Passover, Pentecost & Tabernacles are Soul Harvest SHADOWS.

The Passover soul harvest already happened Matt 27:52-53.

One soon coming Pentecost (main harvest) the the rapture/call to assembly trump of God will blow (Thes 4:16), we shall be changed/raised incorruptible & so shall we forever be with the Lord. Amen
 
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I have enjoyed reading the comments on this topic. For the last few months, I have wondered where we are on the timeline. Last Sunday, our pastor said that church attendance has decreased 70% nationwide, supposedly due to Covid-19. Though our church's doors were only closed for a couple of weeks (we had church in the parking lot for two weeks in March), we have still had a whole lot of people who have not returned. Considering the number of people who have fallen away from attending church this year, do you think this is the falling away that the Apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Thes. 2:3?
I would say it certainly could contribute to that. Hard to say for sure, but it definitely seems like more and more people are losing interest in going to church and having fellowship with other believers. And that was the case even before Covid-19 happened.
 
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I have enjoyed reading the comments on this topic. For the last few months, I have wondered where we are on the timeline. Last Sunday, our pastor said that church attendance has decreased 70% nationwide, supposedly due to Covid-19. Though our church's doors were only closed for a couple of weeks (we had church in the parking lot for two weeks in March), we have still had a whole lot of people who have not returned. Considering the number of people who have fallen away from attending church this year, do you think this is the falling away that the Apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Thes. 2:3?

That's not a falling away. That's people being responsible neighbors.

My church has been doing streaming church services since the beginning of the pandemic. My church is also mostly comprised of older people who are among the most at risk for Covid-19.

It would be unfaithful for my church to begin having in-person services and put people's lives at risk.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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