The Corinthians and Galatians Worshiped on Sunday

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Many persons as they interpret the events of Acts chapter 15, arrive at a conclusion which the passage and good sense do not support. They say; "If Sabbath observance was a requirement of the Church, it would have been included among those necessary things,..." .

Are we to believe there is no other command of the Law which applies to the Church? Was this a comprehensive list given by James as to the way of life of a Christian or did he only mention some of what is required; or what should not be done? If that which James mentioned (Acts 15:20-21,29) is all that Gentile Christians should not do then Christianity today is filled with many unnecessary things.
Judaism does not teach Gentiles had no law from God to keep, nor they had no covenant with God. They taught Noachide.
These persons like many others have misunderstood this passage and have imposed on it things which it does not say. This passage rather than making the Gentile more different from the Jew, draws him closer to the Jewish way of life.

Some claim, "...Gentile converts...were ignorant of Jewish Laws" and that "Sabbath keeping:...was unfamiliar to the Gentiles."

The scriptures do not support this.

Gentiles were among those who were in the synagogues on the Sabbath. (See Acts 13:42-48; 14:1;17:1-4; 18:1-4).

In Acts 15 also, James states that; "For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath." (Acts 15:21).

Jewish historian Josephus supports this, "...the multitude of mankind itself have had a great inclination for along time to follow our religious observances; for there is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the Barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come... as God pervades all the world, so hath our law passed through all the world also." (Against Apion, 2, 40).
I think you are misunderstanding this here. Josephus says this also of these laws.
Josephus Against Apion 2, 32
"However the reward is such as live exactly according to the laws, is not silver or gold; it is not a garland of olive-branches or of smallage, nor any such public sign of commendation: but every good man hath his own conscience bearing witness to himself, and by virtue of our legislator's prophetic spirit, and the firm security God himself affords such a one, he believes that God has made this grant to those who observe these laws, even though they be obliged to die for them, that they shall come into being again, and at certain revolution of things, shall receive a better life than they had enjoyed before".

Circumcision - The Point of Contention

The main dispute in Acts 15 was the vexed question of circumcision. Certain disciples were of the view that to be saved, Gentiles had to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses i.e. they had to keep all the commands in the Law, both those of the sacrificial and of the Ten Commandment system. Note that an uncircumcised person could not take part in the Passover in the Old Covenant (Exodus 12:45-48).
Yes, I think so, see Josephus above on this. However Passover is a sacrifice and a feast for a memorial to the fulfillment of the promises of the pre Sinai covenant. God's promise made in covenant with Abraham 400 years earlier. Yes. The Sinai covenant prevented the uncircumcised from the sacrificial offering of the celebration to memorialize the fulfilment of the promise of the covenant to Abraham (1st covenant to his natural seed).. But the new covenant no carnal circumcision necessary to partake of the celebratory offering from the altar. remebering the promise of the second covenant to the promise to all the seed of promise.
Ge 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. {many … : Heb. multitude of nations }
Ge 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. {Abraham: that is, Father of a great multitude }
Ro 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. {before him: or, like unto him }
Ro 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
It was being explained by Peter that both Jews and Gentiles will be saved through grace i.e. God's love in allowing His Son to die for us, rather than by sacrifices. (See Acts 15:7-11; Ephesians 2:8-13; Hebrews 9:11-14). Notice that the things mentioned are closely linked to either the sacrificial systems of the Jews or that of the Gentiles and to make it clear what is expected of the new converts then these things were mentioned.
Two covenants. Gal.24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
(1) Gentiles had a practice of partaking in food offered to idols (I Corinthians 10:19-21).
(2) Fornication was a part of the rituals performed by Gentiles in service to their gods. (Numbers 25:1-3; I Corinthians 10:8; Deuteronomy 23:17-18; I Kings 14:24)

The Lion Handbook, "The World's Religion" had this comment on Canaanite religion; "According to Hebrew and Greek writings, popular worship included ritual prostitution and other excesses." [Page 66].

(3) Blood was used for atonement in the Old Covenant and was not to be consumed. Animals were to be properly killed to remove the blood.

The heathen also drank blood in worship of their gods. A practice which Israel adopted (Psalm 16:4; Ezekiel 33:25; Leviticus 17:11-14).

Strangled animals i.e. animals which die of itself were given to the stranger or alien in the Old Covenant but now James is saying the Gentile should not partake of such an animal i.e. he should be like the Jew. (See Deuteronomy 14:21; Acts 15:29).

The Gentiles coming into the Church should not adopt the sacrifice of circumcision nor should they continue in their own sacrificial practices of fornication, offering and eating food offered to idols and drinking of blood. The fact that James referred all to Moses, being read in the synagogues on the Sabbath in every city, shows he was not rejecting the whole of the Law, as all things, the Gentiles should abstain from, are proscribed by the Law. (See Acts 15:20-21).

Do Christians Abstain From Things Strangled And Blood

"And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof and cover it with dust...ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh:..." (Leviticus 17:13-14).

It is this command that James is repeating in Acts 15. How many Christians today actually obey this command?

To this writer's knowledge, only Jewish and Moslem butchers take special care to see that animals are butchered in a manner to cause the blood to be drained properly. Other butchers use methods which technically result in the blood remaining in the animal and hence most Christians end up eating the blood in the flesh.

Rather than giving permission to abandon the Sabbath, the conference in Acts 15 has placed more responsibilities on Gentile Christians.These persons attitude is common, as many have not realized what is expected of them. The practice of blood transfusion may also be affected by this command. I urge all to repent of disobeying the commands in Acts 15:20, 29 and of placing the subject of the Sabbath in the passage when it clearly was not a part of the discussion.
Noachide law was universal law to all sons of Noah.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
 
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What is Yom Ha bikkurim? So now the day upon which firstfruits are celebrated or brought is no more a distinct feast unto itself?
The point is there is no distinct feast of firstfruits on Nisan 16. Nisan 16 is the second day of the feast of unleavened bread.
Feast of weeks, Pentecost (Weeks of the firsrfruit).
Ex 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and
Feast Of tabernacles/booths etc.
the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.

The sheaf is an offering brought on the second day of of the feast of unleavened bread.
Le 23:37 These are the feasts (appointed times) of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his (day to) day:

Yom HaBikkurim is the firstfruits of the barley harvest. It IS on Nisan 16 if the 15th is a Shabbat. Yeshua rose on Yom HaBikkurim.
 
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Yom HaBikkurim is the firstfruits of the barley harvest. It IS on Nisan 16 if the 15th is a Shabbat. Yeshua rose on Yom HaBikkurim.
First of all Jesus arose during the feast of unleavened bread. It isn't the feast of firstfruits.
second of all, The only time you see this is in Christian commentary. It is not Judaism, nor is it scripture to call the feast of unleavened bread, the feast of firstfruits.

Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)
## What is the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)? In Judaism, The Feast of Weeks or Shavuot (Hebrew label) or Pentecost (Greek label) is the name given to the festival, which occurred fifty days after the offering of the barley sheaf during the Passover feast (see Leviticus 13:16)...
 
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First of all Jesus arose during the feast of unleavened bread. It isn't the feast of firstfruits.
second of all, The only time you see this is in Christian commentary. It is not Judaism, nor is it scripture to call the feast of unleavened bread, the feast of firstfruits.

Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)
## What is the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)? In Judaism, The Feast of Weeks or Shavuot (Hebrew label) or Pentecost (Greek label) is the name given to the festival, which occurred fifty days after the offering of the barley sheaf during the Passover feast (see Leviticus 13:16)...

I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. Pesakh was the 14th, 1st of unleavened was the 15th (a Sabbath) and Yom HaBikkurim was the 16th. First fruits of the BARLEY on Yom HaBikkurim and Shavuot is the first fruits of the WHEAT.
 
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First of all Jesus arose during the feast of unleavened bread. It isn't the feast of firstfruits.
second of all, The only time you see this is in Christian commentary. It is not Judaism, nor is it scripture to call the feast of unleavened bread, the feast of firstfruits.

Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)
## What is the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)? In Judaism, The Feast of Weeks or Shavuot (Hebrew label) or Pentecost (Greek label) is the name given to the festival, which occurred fifty days after the offering of the barley sheaf during the Passover feast (see Leviticus 13:16)...

You really do not understand the annual Feasts or the sabbaths of Leviticus 23 and how they differ from Gods' weekly 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. Just trying to be helpful here so please do not take this in the wrong way and hope you can receive this correction in the Spirit that it has been given (love). The Feast of Weeks is the second of the three “solemn feasts” that all Jewish males were required to travel to Jerusalem to attend (Exodus 23:14–17; 34:22–23; Deuteronomy 16:16). This important feast gets its name from the fact that it starts seven full weeks, or exactly 50 days, after the Feast of First fruits. Since it takes place exactly 50 days after the previous feast, this feast is also known as “Pentecost” (Acts 2:1), which means “fifty.”
 
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You really do not understand the annual Feasts or the sabbaths of Leviticus 23 and how they differ from Gods' weekly 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. Just trying to be helpful here so please do not take this in the wrong way and hope you can receive this correction in the Spirit that it has been given (love). The Feast of Weeks is the second of the three “solemn feasts” that all Jewish males were required to travel to Jerusalem to attend (Exodus 23:14–17; 34:22–23; Deuteronomy 16:16). This important feast gets its name from the fact that it starts seven full weeks, or exactly 50 days, after the Feast of First fruits. Since it takes place exactly 50 days after the previous feast, this feast is also known as “Pentecost” (Acts 2:1), which means “fifty.”
I already knew all that with one exception, its not the feast of firsfruits it is unleavened bread. Also the the fest of weeks is the feast that celebrates the weeks of the grain harvest each crop of various kinds ripening at different times, the firstfruit of each being brought in.
 
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I already knew all that with one exception, its not the feast of firsfruits it is unleavened bread. Also the the fest of weeks is the feast that celebrates the weeks of the grain harvest each crop of various kinds ripening at different times, the firstfruit of each being brought in.
If you knew what I posted to you then you would not have said Jesus rose on the feast of unleavened bread. The Feast of first fruits and the Feast of weeks are shadow that represent different things. It is the feast of first fruits that represent the resurrection of Jesus...

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits to God and to the Lamb.

Hope this helps.
 
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If you knew what I posted to you then you would not have said Jesus rose on the feast of unleavened bread.
It is a seven day feast, that's why. the third day of that feast is not another distinct feast. The third day is still the feast of unlevened bread. The feast of weeks however is the feast celebrating the harvesting of the earlier ripening graines and things. The feast of ingathering is a feast which celebrates the later ripening fruits of trees and such. This feast concludes the entire harvest for the year. All the crops have those which ripen first.
 
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It is a seven day feast, that's why. the third day of that feast is not another distinct feast. The third day is still the feast of unlevened bread. The feast of weeks however is the feast celebrating the harvesting of the earlier ripening graines and things. The feast of ingathering is a feast which celebrates the later ripening fruits of trees and such. This feast concludes the entire harvest for the year. All the crops have those which ripen first.
The Feast of weeks is a totally different Feast to the Feast of First fruits. Feast of first fruits represents those who are first to rise from the grave (Jesus). Do you know what the Feast of weeks therefore might represent in the shadow of things to come? The annual Feast days and days of annual holy convocations and the annual "shadow sabbaths" in the annual Feast days, do not have the same role as God's 4th commandment weekly Sabbath of the 10 commandment that is a "memorial of creation" that also give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.
 
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The Feast of weeks is a totally different Feast to the Feast of First fruits. Feast of first fruits represents those who are first to rise from the grave (Jesus). Do you know what the Feast of weeks therefore might represent in the shadow of things to come?
Look each day of the feast had "offerings". The wave sheaf was an offering presented on the third day of the feast of unleavened bread. Thats all I am trying to get you to see. There is no feast of firstfruits, and if one of the pilgrimage feast days are to be called such it would be the feast of ingathering which celebrates all the crops of the harvest season having been harvested for the year. Each having its own firstfruit to be brought during all the season. It is the end of the year for their labours brought in in the harvest
 
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Look each day of the feast had "offerings". The wave sheaf was an offering presented on the third day of the feast of unleavened bread. Thats all I am trying to get you to see. There is no feast of firstfruits, and if one of the pilgrimage feast days are to be called such it would be the feast of ingathering which celebrates all the crops of the harvest season having been harvested for the year. Each having its own firstfruit to be brought during all the season. It is the end of the year for their labours brought in in the harvest

Actually, the Feast of First fruit or Feast of ingathering are the same thing in relation to Harvest but also not the same point in harvest. So your point here is a mute one. Your understanding of the annual Feasts and sabbaths are not correct. I did notice you did not answer my question from the earlier post was there a reason for that?
 
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Actually, the Feast of First fruit or Feast of ingathering are the same thing. Same as Feast of booths of Feast of Tabernacles. So your point here is a mute one.
So now you agree, the feast of first fruits is weeks later? Oh boy
 
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So now you agree, the feast of first fruits is weeks later? Oh boy
No I said no such thing but perhaps I should re-word what was posted so there is no misunderstanding. You were shown that the harvest feasts have a different purpose. They are both harvest feasts was my point, but at different timings. I did post this to you earlier showing the 50 day differences in the Feasts

"Three times you shall keep a feast to Me in the year: You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread . . . and the Feast of Harvest, the firstfruits of your labours which you have sown in the field; and the Feast of Harvest at the end of the year . . ." (Exodus 23:14-16).

Your understanding of the Feasts and days of Holy convocation and their purpose is not biblical
 
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Actually, the Feast of First fruit or Feast of ingathering are the same thing. Same as Feast of booths of Feast of Tabernacles. So your point here is a mute one. Your understanding of the annual Feasts and sabbaths are not correct. I did notice you did not answer my question from the earlier post was there a reason for that?
Yes there is a reason for that. It is extremely difficult to get you to stay one one issue to discuss it. I mean really a seven day feast means just that. Now you have done an about turn. No, I do not see the relevance of engaging on other topics when the first point of my post concerned one issue. The feast of unleavened bread is the feast of unleavened bread.
 
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No I said no such thing. You were shown that they have a different purpose. They are both harvests was my point, but at different timings. I did post this to you earlier showing the 50 day differences in the Feasts

"Three times you shall keep a feast to Me in the year: You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread . . . and the Feast of Harvest, the firstfruits of your labours which you have sown in the field; and the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year . . ." (Exodus 23:14-16).
Right I spoke to these as the pilgrimage feasts. they are commonly called such in both Judaism and Christianity.
 
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Yes there is a reason for that. It is extremely difficult to get you to stay one one issue to discuss it. I mean really a seven day feast means just that. Now you have done an about turn. No, I do not see the relevance of engaging on other topics when the first point of my post concerned one issue. The feast of unleavened bread is the feast of unleavened bread.
Well that is not true at all. Please do not say things that are not true. I have not done an about face at all. I have only provided scripture showing your claims in regards to the Feast of First fruits is not true. All I have been discussing with you is the same topic which is the Feast of firstfruits and Feast of Weeks and what they represent. I do not see how I have changed the topic in your view when it is the same subject matter. You have only been corrected and shown from the scriptures that the feasts are different Harvest feasts with a different purpose. I think this is where your problem is. This was what I was trying to show you through the scriptures. Ok lets go with your thoughts here. You start, how does Leviticus 23 prove God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished today?
 
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I see all I have been discussing with you is the same topic which is the Feast of firstfruits and Feast of Weeks and what they represent. I do not see how I have changed the topic when it is the same subject matter. You have only been corrected in thinking that the feasts are one and the same. They are not although they are as I pointed out Harvest feasts. I think this is where your problem is. This was what I was trying to show you through the scriptures. Ok lets go with your thoughts here. You start how does Leviticus 23 prove God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished today?
No.
 
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Right I spoke to these as the pilgrimage feasts. they are commonly called such in both Judaism and Christianity.
I am not sure what your comment here has to do with the post you are quoting from. Did you wish to explain further the point your trying to make? I posted the scripture in Exodus 23:14-16 to show that the two harvest feasts are different. You said there was no Feast of Firstfruits
 
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I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. Pesakh was the 14th, 1st of unleavened was the 15th (a Sabbath) and Yom HaBikkurim was the 16th.
Unleavened bread is the feast on all those days
First fruits of the BARLEY on Yom Habbikurim
All of these are the feast of unleavened bread. It is a seven day feast.
and Shavuot is the first fruits of the WHEAT.
And? I am seeing nothing in your post to show that the feast of firstfruits is Nisan 16?
 
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