Did Ellen White confirm that the first day is an evening and a morning?

guevaraj said:

Sister, happy Sabbath! Why do you assume I'm wrong and don't bother to check? Shouldn't your actions be like those of the Berean Jews?

As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men. (Acts 17:10-12 NIV)​

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Why are you assuming I haven't checked?

The problem with your doctrine is it creates a lot of confusion and no clear time when Sabbath begins or ends (some time in the middle of the morning or when you call Israel than its on their time zone) Do you hear yourself?
Our God is so amazing He is going to let us know when Sabbath begins and when it ends for EVERONE.

Genesis1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. What is confusing about this verse from our precious Creator defining the days? He defined evening and morning the first day. A day is a 24 hour duration which is in perfect harmony with a 7 day cycle and a 24 hour day from evening to evening, sunset to sunset.

My favorite thing to do on Friday evening is watch the sun go down, knowing the Sabbath is coming. God gives that as His gift, we can see when Sabbath is coming. Why are you trying to create confusion around His Sabbath? Please, I beg you to get some counseling from your pastor. This is a single doctrine, not something that our Jewish friends believe as they have been keeping Sabbath correctly for generations like Jesus as our example. I think its really unfair to share this doctrine with strangers and call yourself an SDA but refuse to not share in private with your SDA pastor first. I hope you will pray about this subject. I will pray for you as well. God bless.

guevaraj said:

Sister, are you saying that we should not accept "trouble" from our God? It is too difficult, so let's not go there and hold on to our tradition that we have come to love for so long. Is that your defense?

He replied, “You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?” In all this, Job did not sin in what he said. (Job 2:10 NIV)​

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I am not sure how you interpreted that we should not accept trouble from my post.

I think what you are doing is wrong. You are claiming you are an SDA and sharing your single belief that no SDA agrees with and goes against what is required to be an SDA based on scripture, but yet refuse to seek guidance from the same church are are claiming to be a part of.

Matthew 18:15
15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.

You are falsely claiming the whole SDA church is sinning and not keeping God's 4th commandment based on your own interpretation of scripture, but yet refuse to seek council with a pastor of the same church you claim you are part of. Do you really think that's being fair or honest? You are harming the SDA church and it goes against the oath you had to take to become a member. After you seek guidance from your pastor and you still disagree than my suggestion would be to look for a denomination that is inline with your own belief. To claim you are part of an organization, but sharing beliefs outside that organization, don't you think that is bearing false witness, which is a sin. This is not a small issue, this is the Sabbath which is the basis of what the church was founded on and keeping all of the commandments of God.

I really hope you will consider this in prayer. I think I have said all I can say on this subject. God bless my friend.


Titus 3:10 ESV
As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,

guevaraj said:

Sister, are you saying that evening does not mean sunset? The setting of the sun in the context of the first day. I can give you three proofs that the sun is present from day one.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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I am not saying it---GOD IS SAYING IT!!

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The sun was not createrd until the 4th day. Now read post #32 again!

mmksparbud said:

That was not sunlight---the sun did not come into existence until the 4th day. This was light, some say it was the light of Jesus Himself. I do not, He did not create His own light, He is light. I believe it was what is now called, invisible light. You can look that up. It is light that the human eye can not see, but God certainly can. Does not need sunlight. So, as the verse you quoted but apparently do not believe says---

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

You erroneously put emphasis on morning and ignore evening. In the original Hebrew

5 and~he~will~CALL.OUT(V) (וַיִּקְרָא / wai'yiq'ra) Elohiym (אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him) to~LIGHT (לָאוֹר / la'or) DAY (יוֹם / yom) and~to~DARKNESS (וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ / wê'la'hho'shekh) he~did~CALL.OUT(V) (קָרָא / qa'ra) NIGHT (לָיְלָה / lai'lah) and~he~will~EXIST(V) (וַיְהִי / wai'hi) EVENING (עֶרֶב / e'rev) and~he~will~EXIST(V) (וַיְהִי / wai'hi) MORNING (בֹקֶר / vo'qer) DAY (יוֹם / yom) UNIT (אֶחָד / e'hhad)

RMT: and Elohiym called out to the light, day, and to the darkness he called out, night, and evening existed and morning existed, a day unit,

It is and always has been evening first followed by day. You are wrong and do not want to admit it. God humbles the proud. Again, I hope you repent and turn to truth and not your own imagination.

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guevaraj said:

Brother, the sun was not created on the fourth day, it existed from the first day. There are three pieces of evidence. First, the word "evening" which means sunset reveals that the sun is the greater light from the first day. It’s obvious that the greater light is present from day one for its purpose to count the days already listed before the fourth day. Second, the use of the “waw-consecutive” on the fourth day continues events that end chronologically after the start of the fourth day. On the fourth day, added is the lessor light of the moon to go with the greater light to complete God's plan for these two lights in the sky. All phrases underlined are a single word from the original language in “waw-consecutive” form. The “waw-consecutive” form tells us that there is a chronological continuation of events with something new added on day four, the moon, which is not necessary before day four, while the sun was necessary to count the earlier days from the first day. Third, there is a different verb used on the fourth day that in the later context with Abraham shows that it means prepared (asah) and not create (bara') as in the previous verses.

And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made (asah) two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made (asah) the stars. God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day. (Genesis 1:14-19 NIV)​

The sun already existed from the first day as explained here to separate the days and added was the moon to the sun to prepare (asah) and not create (bara') the sun that already existed from the first day to decide from now on the seasons of the year in addition to the days from the first day.

So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.” Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare (asah) it. He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared (asah), and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. (Genesis 18:6-8 NIV)​

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We must also note that the Bible says there will be light without the sun in the future New Jerusalem.

And there shall be no night there: They shall need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign for ever and ever (Revelation 22:5).

The sun shall no longer be your light by day, nor for brightness the moon shall give light to you; but the Lord will be your everlasting light (Isaiah 60:19).

There will be no need for the sun as a light source in the future there was no need for the sun as a light source in the beginning and He did indeed create the planetary systems (sun, moon, stars) that give off what is now our earths various light(s) on the 4th day.

eleos1954 said:

We must also note that the Bible says there will be light without the sun in the future New Jerusalem.

And there shall be no night there: They shall need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign for ever and ever (Revelation 22:5).

The sun shall no longer be your light by day, nor for brightness the moon shall give light to you; but the Lord will be your everlasting light (Isaiah 60:19).

There will be no need for the sun as a light source in the future there was no need for the sun as a light source in the beginning and He did indeed create the planetary systems (sun, moon, stars) that give off what is now our earths various light(s) on the 4th day.

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That does not say there will be no sun---it says there will be no need of it for light for Jesus is brighter than the sun. There will still be a moon, so there will stil be a sun and a moon---j8ust not needed for light.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Which does not alter the fact that the sun, moon and stars were not created until the 4th day of creation. This guy is wrong about his theory, he just can't see it yet. He doesn't even understand that the sun was not created until the 4th day--He has to re-examine his view. It is, and always has been, from evening to evening. He has no new "light" about this. It is hard to face the reality of being wrong.
Just ask Trump!

guevaraj said:

Sister, happy Sabbath! Why do you assume I'm wrong and don't bother to check? Shouldn't your actions be like those of the Berean Jews?

As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men. (Acts 17:10-12 NIV)​

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Why didn't Yeshua correct His disciples on this matter?

guevaraj said:

Sister, we are the reason! We can not "bear" all that He wants to tell us and does it slowly. He is growing us slowly in the knowledge of His word.

“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.” (John 16:12-15 NIV)​

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Nope this is too important, hinging on the Revelation importance of end times. Sabbath is key and any mispositioning is defacing His seal, His mark. Tested out in the desert, it will be the test again.

guevaraj said:

Sister, I agree! Adventist know that the Sabbath is the end time test of whether you obey the truth in God's word or abandon the truth for human tradition. What we did not know is that the test is not only for others, it is also a test for us because we have not learn all there is about the Sabbath in God's word. We are missing a further step of "when it is" that evening falls on the first day. Revealed was to our prophetess that we would understand "when it is" and our church has not understood a change of "when it is". Next is her inspired passage about what an angel told her we would understand in the future. To focus you on the relevant part I will ask a question. Why did the angel tell us to read carefully and there you will find "when it is" if it remains the same? We had changed "what even is" from 6 pm to sundown after 8 years, but we have not changed to this day "when it is". We still assume that evening takes place at the beginning of the day when the angel said that we would understand more in the future. I, in the future, have understood that evening takes place in the middle of the first day by being "directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath" due to the units of the 2300 year prophecy that started our church. I have understood more as the angel said!

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, Page 116)​

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Please stop using "we" nothing you are saying is of Adventist belief. You are bearing false witness against this denomination and that is considered a sin. Do you realize that? Now that you do, please stop. As an Adventist this is our agreed belief on the Sabbath:

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom. The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)

If you no longer agree with this required statement like suggested previously, you should look for a denomination that shares your beliefs. God tells us not to be unequally yoked. That's why the church has you take an oath so we don't have division which is what you are doing about the heart of the SDA church which is when we worship the Lords Sabbath.

guevaraj said:

Sister, that is only correct in Israel's time zone and incorrect in other time zones. My obligation is not to any human organization.

Peter and the other apostles replied: “We must obey God rather than human beings! (Acts 5:29 NIV)​

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Please reflect how this is harming the SDA church because no SDA shares this belief.