Family/Friends who know the Gospel but don't believe it?

Jamdoc · Dec 25, 2020

Cis.jd said:
I don't understand how you just equated this as the meaning of the man getting kicked out of not wearing a wedding dress. There is nothing in that story that hints the wedding dress symbolizes anything you just said. Garments are given to people invited to the ceremony and i can claim those invited include those who also did good, especially when all verses in the Bible are summed up.

Because salvation being symbolized as a garment is a common motif throughout the bible. Salvation COVERS sin symbolically (but really the sin is forgiven and not attributed to you it's put on Jesus.)
It actually goes back to the garden.
Adam and Eve sinned. Their sin exposed them (nakedness is also a motif commonly used in the bible to describe a sinful state), they attempted to cover their nakedness through their own works.
God did not accept their works, and instead provided covering for them, by slaying animals, the first sacrifice, the first physical deaths resulting from sin, which became a theme too, that sin ultimately costs life, eventually costing the life of God's only begotten Son.
God provides the atonement for sin, not you or your works/deeds.

Cis.jd · Dec 25, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Because salvation being symbolized as a garment is a common motif throughout the bible. Salvation COVERS sin symbolically (but really the sin is forgiven and not attributed to you it's put on Jesus.)
It actually goes back to the garden.

This is irrelevant to what I asked.

Cis.jd · Dec 25, 2020

Jamdoc said:
The first thing Satan does in the bible is ask Eve a question that made her question God's word and God's authority and God's goodness in wanting what was best for her. God said you can eat from any tree but that one, if you eat from that one you'll SURELY die. Satan makes her question it. saying "Yea hath God said..." and basically plays it off that God is trying to hold something back from her that she wants.

It doesn't change the fact that she still believed in God. Just being tricked in understanding what he meant doesn't eliminate it.. this is also (again) so far beyond the point.

If people's deeds were what was written in the book of life, then everyone would be written in it. Like I just said, the bible says only those not written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. It doesn't say that those written in the book of life but had too many bad things written in the other books were cast in. It sounds like if you're written in the book of life the other books no longer have any importance. Whatever's written in them doesn't matter anymore, because you're written in the book of life.
It's almost like, oh I dunno, being written in the book of life means that every other thing in the other books is FORGIVEN.

That part in bold is telling me that you did not read what the Scriptures said (or don't care). Revelations already states that those books contain all of what the person has done, from these books God will make his judgement on who he will put on the book of life. Why would everyone be written in the book of life, that makes no sense. Revelation 20:12-15

This is the last, we're done. You are just guessing for answers to reply, and you've talking nonsense in every post. Your reasoning has become obtuse.

Jamdoc · Dec 25, 2020

Cis.jd said:
This is irrelevant to what I asked.

It's upmost relevance.
What gets you into the banquet is something covering your sins.
IE salvation.

Jamdoc · Dec 25, 2020

Cis.jd said:
It doesn't change the fact that she still believed in God. Just being tricked in understanding what he meant doesn't eliminate it.. this is also (again) so far beyond the point.

"belief" in an objective fact is not enough
it's faith, that not only does God exist, but that God loves you, and wants what's best for you, and that God has atoned for, and forgiven your sins.
Eve did not believe that God wanted what was best for her, Eve believed Satan that God was withholding something she'd like from her. That's not faith.

That part in bold is telling me that you did not read what the Scriptures said (or don't care). Revelations already states that those books contain all of what the person has done, from these books God will make his judgement on who he will put on the book of life. Why would everyone be written in the book of life, that makes no sense. Revelation 20:12-15

Revelation 17:8
The names are already written in the book of life and always have been.

This is the last, we're done. You are just guessing for answers to reply, and you've talking nonsense in every post. Your reasoning has become obtuse.

Not that I believe you since you seem bent on arguing, and since you're going to be inflammatory and insulting, I won't miss you if you actually are honest.

SANTOSO · Dec 25, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Yeah she might believe when the rapture happens and I'm suddenly gone.. but at that time.. the great deception will be in swing and she might not be able to believe anymore.
Isaiah 26:19-21 are actually rapture verses... in the old testament, it's pretty incredible but there it is, a resurrection and an invitation to hide from the wrath of God.

Dear Jamdoc,

When I related to you about Isaiah 26:20-21! Did your mom see relevance with many lockdown that happen in many parts of the world? Did she see Covid-19 happenings recorded in worldometer as the earth will disclose the blood shed on it, and will no more cover its slain ?

Will she be persuaded to believe ?

Jamdoc · Dec 25, 2020

SANTOSO said:
Dear Jamdoc,

When I related to you about Isaiah 26:20-21! Did your mom see relevance with many lockdown that happen in many parts of the world? Did she see Covid-19 happenings recorded in worldometer as the earth will disclose the blood shed on it, and will no more cover its slain ?

Will she be persuaded to believe ?

I'm not sure what you're asking, I don't see covid in Isaiah 26. I see the rapture in Isaiah 26

Aussie Pete · Dec 26, 2020

Cis.jd said:
I don't understand how you just equated this as the meaning of the man getting kicked out of not wearing a wedding dress. There is nothing in that story that hints the wedding dress symbolizes anything you just said. Garments are given to people invited to the ceremony and i can claim those invited include those who also did good, especially when all verses in the Bible are summed up.

Did you not read where both evil and good were present?

SANTOSO · Dec 26, 2020

Jamdoc said:
I'm not sure what you're asking, I don't see covid in Isaiah 26. I see the rapture in Isaiah 26

Never mind then .

Cis.jd · Dec 26, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Did you not read where both evil and good were present?

It still leads to the same question, why should this be assumed to be symbolic for only believers? Not all believers are good, so that is out of the equation..

CaspianSails · Dec 28, 2020

You are correct, all you can do is ask God to reveal himself to them in a way they cannot reasonably reject. God alone is the author and finisher of redemption, the work is His. We deliver the message we cannot change hearts.

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