What is the difference between a Saint and a Sinner?

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All believers are saints and all humans are sinners. All saints have been redeemed and saved. Some sinners become redeemed and saved. The redeemed and saved sinners are no longer subject to the wages of sin as they have been cleansed of their sin by the blood of Christ and God forgives them their sins and remembers them no more. .

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD"(James 2:20). A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, "... KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS" (Matthew 19:16-19). Jesus will return real soon and reward us all according to our works (Revelation 22:12).

All have sinned (broken the law...I John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death. When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. Paul says in Hebrews (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
 
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We must understand brothers and sisters there is no degree of sin. If we break one of the laws, we break them all, and the sentence for transgressing the Lord's laws is death. What we must do is keep ourselves from willful sin. Let us take a look at Noah for a moment. Take a look at this verse in Genesis the 9th chapter and the 3rd verse.

Some one might say, "see we can eat anything that our heart's desire." Let us reason together brothers and sisters. Who wrote the book of Genesis? Moses, when he was moved by the Holy Spirit, correct? Who wrote Leviticus the 11th chapter? Moses! So, everything that was created to be received shall be eaten. Let us back up to the 7th chapter of Genesis. When I first laid eyes on these two verses, I was amazed how even the simplest thing in the word of God is hidden to those that do not read His book. Take a look at this.

And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. (Genesis 7:1-2)

Here we see the dietary law being instituted. Here we see the difference in clean and unclean being shown seven chapters from the beginning of the book. So, this lets us know that the dietary law was brought into being along side the Royal law (commandments) even before Abraham came on the scene.

Paul says in Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. That was Jesus given Moses the Laws; Commandments, Statutes, and Judgement to write to the people.
 
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The bible speaks of only one way to get eternal salvation. "One Lord (Two that make up the God Head), one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5). The next time someone asks you what faith you are, tell them there's only one faith. The road to eternal salvation starts with knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. God doesn't want us to memorize two or three verses, but instead he left the entire bible so we can learn how to get salvation. If we learn it, believe it and obey it (the bible), salvation will be our reward. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. (Matthew 16:27)

Jesus warned us that the road to salvation is straight and narrow and that only a few of us will find it. Many are traveling down the wrong road, which leads to destruction. This is because many of us have heard about salvation but few of us want to do what is necessary to get salvation (many are called but few are chosen). (Matthew 7:13, 14) Many contend that Jesus did it all and now all we have to do is have faith.

Jesus said in (John 17:3-4) (v.3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (v.4) I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Yes Jesus did much work. He is the captain of our salvation and the captain is leading by his example, by his works.

Paul said in (Phil. 2:12) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Now if you need not work, then why is Paul telling you to “WORK” out your own salvation, and pay close attention because he also says with “fear and trembling”
 
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The bible speaks of only one way to get eternal salvation. "One Lord (Two that make up the God Head), one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5).
Hello again Bro. T, "Two that make up the Godhead" :scratch:

The Bible tells us plainly that there is "one Lord", but you said there are "Two". Who are these "Two" Lords?

Thanks!

--David
p.s. - BTW, I've heard somewhere that the make up of the "Godhead" is actually One and Three, IOW, the Godhead is one God (not two or three "Gods") existing both from & to everlasting as three, Divine Persons.
 
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Hello again Bro. T, "Two that make up the Godhead" :scratch:

The Bible tells us plainly that there is "one Lord", but you said there are "Two". Who are these "Two" Lords?

Thanks!

--David
p.s. - BTW, I've heard somewhere that the make up of the "Godhead" is actually One and Three, IOW, the Godhead is one God (not two or three "Gods") existing both from & to everlasting as three, Divine Persons.

Let's take a look at a verse here concerning the two God heads. Let's go into John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. So we see the Father sent Jesus, let's not stop here. But lets tip toe in the scriptures and see some things.

In Genesis 1: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. So here we see us and our, letting us know that it's more than one. In the old testament the Father name was not mention, but there were still clues or writing to let us know that there were two.

Let's go into Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? So let's get a name God wad using in the old Testament in Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. Lets get more information about the name.

Let's go into John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. This is why is look as if there was just one God in old Testament, because in those days we only knew of Jehovah. But let's skip down to verse 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. So Jesus saying here I come in my Father name, if I came in mine own name Jehovah, we wouldn't have this unbelieve problem we have today. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

But let's confirm who was in the old Testament in 1 Corinthians 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. So that was Christ back in the days of moses, that was Christ who gave the Ten Commandments, statutes, and Judgements. Now years ago many believe that was the Father back in those days, so now proving all things kills those thoughts, and maybe some still do. Let's read some concrete words from Jesus in John 16: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. Let's look at another in John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. So now let's take a look and see where Jesus is now.

Let's go to Acts 2: 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. So we see a little more info here, David is not in heaven, so we know in ours days and before David, no one goes to heaven when they die. But the David name was mention here because he wrote this prophecy in Psalm 110: 1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

How many Lords we see here?...Two. Hope this helps...peace in Jesus name
 
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Let's take a look at a verse here concerning the two God heads. Let's go into John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. So we see the Father sent Jesus, let's not stop here. But lets tip toe in the scriptures and see some things.

In Genesis 1: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. So here we see us and our, letting us know that it's more than one. In the old testament the Father name was not mention, but there were still clues or writing to let us know that there were two.

Let's go into Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? So let's get a name God wad using in the old Testament in Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. Lets get more information about the name.

Let's go into John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. This is why is look as if there was just one God in old Testament, because in those days we only knew of Jehovah. But let's skip down to verse 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. So Jesus saying here I come in my Father name, if I came in mine own name Jehovah, we wouldn't have this unbelieve problem we have today. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

But let's confirm who was in the old Testament in 1 Corinthians 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. So that was Christ back in the days of moses, that was Christ who gave the Ten Commandments, statutes, and Judgements. Now years ago many believe that was the Father back in those days, so now proving all things kills those thoughts, and maybe some still do. Let's read some concrete words from Jesus in John 16: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. Let's look at another in John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. So now let's take a look and see where Jesus is now.

Let's go to Acts 2: 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. So we see a little more info here, David is not in heaven, so we know in ours days and before David, no one goes to heaven when they die. But the David name was mention here because he wrote this prophecy in Psalm 110: 1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

How many Lords we see here?...Two. Hope this helps...peace in Jesus name

On this forum - if memory serves - you can't post in the Christian sections without affirming belief in the one, triune, God....

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" Matthew 28:19
 
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In the old testament the Father name was not mention...
The name of the Father is not mentioned in the OT :scratch: I'm confused, what do you mean? Is His Name mentioned in the NT? If so, what Name is He (finally) given in the NT?
...let's get a name God was using in the old Testament in Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. Lets get more information about the name.
So the OT ~does~ mention His Name after all, and you knew that it did. Since God Himself tells us what His Name is, why did you say that His Name is not mentioned in the OT :scratch: I am now even more confused!!

Exodus 6
2 God said to Moses, “I am Yahweh—‘the LORD.’
3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them.

I will stop here and wait for your answers. Please answer quickly as I am certain that this thread will be locked down or removed shortly (as @Hazelelponi is correct, the Trinity is long-settled Christian theology that is not up for debate on any of our boards here at CF).

Thank you!

--David
 
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The name of the Father is not mentioned in the OT :scratch: I'm confused, what do you mean? Is His Name mentioned in the NT? If so, what Name is He (finally) given in the NT?

So the OT ~does~ mention His Name after all, and you knew that it did. Since God Himself tells us what His Name is, why did you say that His Name is not mentioned in the OT :scratch: I am now even more confused!!

Exodus 6
2 God said to Moses, “I am Yahweh—‘the LORD.’
3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them.

I will stop here and wait for your answers. Please answer quickly as I am certain that this thread will be locked down or removed shortly (as @Hazelelponi is correct, the Trinity is long-settled Christian theology that is not up for debate on any of our boards here at CF).

Thank you!

--David

I said, "In the old testament the Father name was not mention, but there were still clues or writing to let us know that there were two." Let's go into Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Let's go into John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. This is why is look as if there was just one God in old Testament, because in those days we only knew of Jehovah. But let's skip down to verse 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. So Jesus saying here I come in my Father name, if I came in mine own name Jehovah, we wouldn't have this unbelieve problem we have today. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? It's all in the post, now you cause me to repost...Lol
 
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Bro T.

Your body is going to die.
They will cremate it, or bury it and the worms will eat it.
You are going to get a new body, after you are dead,= if you are born again.
So, your body, is not born again......your body is the currently dying container that holds your eternal Spirit.

God is A Spirit.
The born again, are born again by God's Holy SPIRIT.
We, the born again, are not born again in body, as we get a new one of those in Heaven.
This one dies, Bro T.
We, the born again, become a "new Creation", and that is our Born Again Spirit......not our body.

To believe what you've written here would require discarding both the entirety of the Bible as well as two thousand years of universally accepted Christian teaching.

"We believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth.

We believe in Jesus Christ His only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day He rose again. He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.
"

-CryptoLutheran
 
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To believe what you've written here would require discarding both the entirety of the Bible as well as two thousand years of universally accepted Christian teaching.


Yet you can't even post a bible verse that supports your lack of understanding.

Listen, If the best you can do is quote the Apostles Creed, or someone's idea from a commentary, then you have nothing.
No foundation.
 
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As for the topic of this thread, Simul iustus et peccator.

-CryptoLutheran

Let's not forget what's written in (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. IT's the wilful sin that have to be put in check. Jesus says in Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. There it is.
 
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Very important we understand the Sabbath day. It was Jesus that gave you the seventh day Sabbath, yes Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. And I prove that a few post up, but that’s another lesson for another time. In (Gen. 2:1-3) (v.1) THUS the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. (v.2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (v.3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. It was God that sanctified (set apart) the seventh day of the week. The first six days of the week didn’t have names (they are now all named after Roman pagan gods) they were called by numbers 1-6. But the seventh day was called the sabbath which simply means “rest”.

In the scriptures its written in (Ex. 20:8-11) (v.8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (v.9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (v.10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thou thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thou maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: (v.11) For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. This is the sabbath day of the Lord God of this bible and every seventh day of the week (Saturday) is holy, that’s what hallowed means. And the Apostle Paul understood this he knew and kept Gods law including the seventh day sabbath.

Now lets take a look at; (Acts 13:13-15, 42, 44) (v.13) Now when Paul and his company loosed from Pa’-phus, they came to Per’-ga in Pam-phyl’-I-a: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem. (v.14) But when they departed from Per’-ga, they came to An’-ti-och in Pi-sid’-I-a, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. Paul went into the church (synagogue) on the sabbath day the seventh day not the first day (Sunday). (v.15) And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. (v.42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

The Gentiles didn’t asked Paul to come preach us something different next Sunday. They wanted Paul to preach to them the same thing that he taught the Jews, the next sabbath. Even the Gentiles knew that if they were going to serve the same God that Paul and the Jews (Israelites) served that they would have to serve him on the day that God had set up. (v.42) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Not the next Sunday but the next sabbath.

Pay attention to this. The Sabbath day points to a future day of rest, this is not about you do it your way I do it my way. There's a reason why we keep the sabbath day on the seventh day of the week; why because the Lord have this a special day of rest, for people.
You don't do things in vain, when dealing with the Lord, he always have a plan.

Lets take a look in Psalm 95: 7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work. 10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: 11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

Now Paul understood this, because he quote this in Hebrews 4: 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. So this is what you will be missing out.
 
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Let's not forget what's written in (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. There it is.

What you are talking about, does not apply to the Born again.
See, the born again are "not under law, but under Grace".
So, the Law, has been crucified with Christ, on behalf of all the Born again.
This is why the born again are now "UNDER GRACE".
Do you see?
So, dont teach believers what you would teach, unbelievers, as that is not correct theology and not correct regarding being a "new creation in Christ".
 
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Very important we understand the Sabbath day. It .

Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, and the born again are "in Christ".
So, do not pay any more attention to the sabbath day then you would pay attention to the day of Pentecost, or the feast of Trumpets.

The born again are NOT under the LAW...... we are under GRACE.

Do not listen to someone who would try to put you back under the law.
 
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A saint serves Christ and has been redeemed by Christ. A sinner does not but Christ may yet redeem the sinner.

But only the born again go to heaven.

You can serve Christ till you die doing it, and if you are not born again, you will meet The Christ that you died serving, and He will say...>"Depart from ME..... i never knew you".

See, for Christ to KNOW you, is a very specific thing.
He has to live IN YOU< to "know" you. = John 3.....Jesus says..."you MUST be born again"...
And that is not by water.
That is by the HOLY SPIRIT only.
The New birth happens INSIDE you, it does not happen in the water tank or river, or shower.
 
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Yet you can't even post a bible verse that supports your lack of understanding.

Listen, If the best you can do is quote the Apostles Creed, or someone's idea from a commentary, then you have nothing.
No foundation.

St. Paul says in Philippians 3:21 that at our Lord's Parousia He shall transform our body to be like His glorious body. In Romans 8:11 the same Apostle says that if the Spirit of Him who raised Christ up from the dead dwells also in us, then He who raised Christ from the dead will give life to our mortal bodies. Later in the same chapter Paul in verse 23 the Apostle speaks of the redemption of our bodies.

What happened to Jesus? Did Jesus' flesh decay? Are His bones decaying in a tomb somewhere? Or did He rise up, bodily? Did He not show His wounds, and say "touch Me" to show that it was He Himself? The same body that was buried was the body that was raised up. Transformed, glorified by His resurrection.

And what does the Apostle says in 1 Corinthians 15? He says if the dead are not raised then Christ is not risen (verse 13). He says that Christ is the first fruits of those who are to be raised (verse 20).

The Apostle says the body is sown corruptible, but raised incorruptible; sown in dishonor, raised in honor; sown in weakness, raised in power; sown a soulish body (soma psuchekos) and raised a spiritual body (soma pneumatikos)--1 Corinthians 15:42-44.

So, again, the Christian confession has always been the resurrection of the body. We believe in the resurrection of the body.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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St. Paul says in Philippians 3:21 that at our Lord's Parousia He shall transform our body to be like His glorious body.

So, again, the Christian confession has always been the resurrection of the body. We believe in the resurrection of the body.

-CryptoLutheran

Why are you talking about the celestial body that the born again, will receive after they are in Heaven?
That has nothing to do with NOW.

Currently, we exist "in Christ", on earth... and this is the REAL us.....
 
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