Only two covenants are presented in the New Testament

Spiritual Jew said:

I have no idea of what you're talking about here.

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you understand the difference between current vs future?

Guojing said:

you understand the difference between current vs future?

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Of course. You have a hard time getting to the point and being clear for some reason. What are you trying to say?

Guojing said:

If you don’t want to address my question that is fine

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Do you believe that "may be" means "maybe"?

Spiritual Jew said:

Of course. You have a hard time getting to the point and being clear for some reason. What are you trying to say?

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Israel salvation is in the future.

they are not like us in the body of Christ, we have current salvation

jgr said:

Do you believe that "may be" means "maybe"?

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either way, you agree it’s not will be?

Guojing said:

either way, you agree it’s not will be?

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There's no "either way".

"May be" does not mean "maybe".

Guojing said:

If you don’t want to address my question that is fine

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The English words "may be blotted out" are translated from the Greek word "exaleiphō" which means "to blot out" or "to wipe away". The words "may be" do not mean "maybe" as if it's saying if you repent your sins may or may not be blotted out. No, that's not what it's saying at all. If you repent your sins WILL be blotted out. Translating it as "may be blotted out" was a mistake by the translators and gives a false impression of what the word actually means.

The same Greek word is used in this verse:

Revelation 3:5 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Do you think Jesus was saying here that he that overcomes he will blot out his name out of the book of life or that He will NOT blot out his name from the book of life?

jgr said:

There's no "either way".

"May be" does not mean "maybe".

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Do you agree it implies uncertainty?

Guojing said:

Israel salvation is in the future.

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Is this your WOF church teaching, or your own?

Spiritual Jew said:

The English words "may be blotted out" are translated from the Greek word "exaleiphō" which means "to blot out" or "to wipe away". The words "may be" do not mean "maybe" as if it's saying if you repent your sins may or may not be blotted out. No, that's not what it's saying at all. If you repent your sins WILL be blotted out.

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So In the end, you do agree it’s a future event right?

Guojing said:

Do you agree it implies uncertainty?

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"May be" is certainty. "Maybe" is uncertainty.

jgr said:

"May be" is certainty. "Maybe" is uncertainty.

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alright then, if you view it that way

Guojing said:

alright then, if you view it that way

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That's how the English language views it.

Mark 5
22 And, behold, there cometh one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name; and when he saw him, he fell at his feet,
23 And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.

Jairus didn't believe that she maybe would be healed if Jesus came.

He knew that she would be healed.

With certainty.

jgr said:

That's how the English language views it.

Mark 5
22 And, behold, there cometh one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name; and when he saw him, he fell at his feet,
23 And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.

Jairus didn't believe that she maybe would be healed if Jesus came.

He knew that she would be healed.

With certainty.

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Well as I have said to the other, in 1 Peter 4:18, Peter was not expressing certainty of salvation at all.

Guojing said:

Well as I have said to the other, in 1 Peter 4:18, Peter was not expressing certainty of salvation at all.

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Why wouldn't you focus on these?

You seem to be searching for any reason to deny salvation.

Would you rather embrace Babylonian talmudism, the religion of the Jews?

BABerean2 said:

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

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Both are dead. They will have a say at the GWT though. Or will Jesus' generation be in Paradise? Paradise is the judgment of rewards. Will those from Nineveh get more rewards than Jesus' generation?

Spiritual Jew said:

Since when does repentance not result in salvation? You actually think they repented of their sins and will still end up in the lake of fire?

The following passage indicates that the day of judgment will go well for them:

Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here.

This is not how unsaved people would be described.

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Since when is judging others a good thing? Jesus was pointing out His generation was worse off and would never repent.

Nineveh repented to avoid destruction, not to turn to the God who was repentant Himself.

10 And God saw their works that they turned from their evil ways: and God repented of the evil that he had said that he would do unto them, and he did it not.

If doing God's will and utterly destroying the Northern Kingdom and sending the majority of Israel into every nation on earth, is corporate Salvation, why do you argue Nineveh was corporately saved and Israel cannot be?

jgr said:

Why wouldn't you focus on these?

You seem to be searching for any reason to deny salvation.

Would you rather embrace Babylonian talmudism, the religion of the Jews?

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I am understanding what Peter said literally.

Guojing said:

I am understanding what Peter said literally.

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You cannot find the literal word "now" in Hebrews 8:6 for some strange reason.


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Spiritual Jew said:

The English words "may be blotted out" are translated from the Greek word "exaleiphō" which means "to blot out" or "to wipe away". The words "may be" do not mean "maybe" as if it's saying if you repent your sins may or may not be blotted out. No, that's not what it's saying at all. If you repent your sins WILL be blotted out. Translating it as "may be blotted out" was a mistake by the translators and gives a false impression of what the word actually means.

The same Greek word is used in this verse:

Revelation 3:5 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Do you think Jesus was saying here that he that overcomes he will blot out his name out of the book of life or that He will NOT blot out his name from the book of life?

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Salvation is accepting the Atonement. Was Nineveh's sins corporately blotted out that one time or for all time? Did that cover every generation of Nineveh, from the first settler to that last one living in Nineveh?

Still not sure why you are pressing the issue that Nineveh is in better shape or even under the Atonement, instead of a separate blotting out for those who actually repented those 3 days? Does confessing one's sins one time automatically place one under the Atonement of the cross? Is that your version of OSAS? Was the Gospel of Jonah equal to the Gospel of the disciples?

May is the word for possibility not ability. The English translation is poor, if not intentional. May and maybe are only different in that maybe is an adverb. They both only infer possibility, not the guarantee of ability. Do posters here understand English themselves?

Repentance is not automatic Salvation. Salvation is a conscious decision to accept God's Atonement. Repentance is turning away from sin and not going back to sin. Neither means one stops sinning. If those in Nineveh started doing the same evil weeks later, God would not have changed His mind the third time and destroy them. That they went back to sinning is guaranteed, neither did God destroy them, until His purpose with their repentance was finished. That is why Jonah was mad. God still kept His Word, and Nineveh literal judged the Northern Kingdom and spread the population to the ends of the earth. You think that was lost on those Jews, who heard Jesus that day, He said them? It was a double stab. The reality of the past and the future.