Lets talk about the New Testament commandments (No Sabbath Talk Please)...

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Yes, the two greatest commandments. However, as I mentioned before (that you may have already been aware of), the full version of the first greatest commandment is found in Mark 12:29-30. I believe the full version of this command is found only in Mark because Mark is the least of the gospels (i.e. It is a humble gospel). The first greatest commandment can be broken up into a five part instruction.

Part #1. Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord,
Part #2. Love the Lord your God with all your heart,
Part #3. Love the Lord your God with all your soul,
Part #4. Love the Lord your God with all your mind,
Part #5. Love the Lord your God with all your strength.

What is interesting is that Deuteronomy 6, and Deuteronomy 10 does not mention Part #4 that says to love the Lord your God with all your mind. So this was an added improvement by our Lord in Mark 12:29-30.



Here are my Matthew 19 explicit commands:

  1. Be patient with little children, and forbid them not to come unto me (i.e. Jesus) (Matthew 19:14).
  2. Keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
  3. You shall do no murder (Matthew 19:18).
  4. You shall not commit adultery (Matthew 19:18).
  5. You shall not steal (Matthew 19:18).
  6. You shall not bear false witness (Matthew 19:18).
  7. Honour thy father and thy mother (Matthew 19:19)
  8. You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 19:19).
  9. If you will be perfect, go and sell what you have, and give to the poor (Matthew 19:21).
  10. Come and follow me (Matthew 19:21).

Matthew 19 non-explicit commands:

  1. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder (Matthew 19:6) (Translation: Let us not put asunder (separate) what God has joined together).
  2. Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: (Matthew 19:9) (Translation: You shall not put away your wife, except it be for fornication, and neither shall you put away your wife to marry another).
  3. Whoever marries her who is put away does commit adultery (Matthew 19:9) (Translation: Do not marry her who is put away (divorced)).
  4. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12) (Translation: You who are capable to receive it [i.e. the law or laws on marriage], allow yourself to receive it (or them) - See Matthew 19:10-11).



Here are my Romans 13 explicit commands:

  1. Do that which is good (Romans 13:3).
  2. Be afraid, if you do that which is evil, (Romans 13:4).
  3. You must submit to them [i.e. the higher powers, or the government, and or civil authorities] (Romans 13:5).
  4. Pay tribute: Render therefore to all their dues; Tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; respect to whom respect; honor to whom honor (Romans 13:6-7).
  5. Owe no man any thing, but to love one another (Romans 13:8).
  6. You shall not commit adultery (Romans 13:9).
  7. You shall not kill (Romans 13:9).
  8. You shall not steal (Romans 13:9).
  9. You shall not bear false witness (Romans 13:9).
  10. You shall not covet (Romans 13:9).
  11. You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Romans 13:9).
  12. Awake out of sleep:
(a) Let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and,
(b) Let us put on the armour of light.
(c) Let us walk honestly, as in the day;
(d) Not in rioting and drunkenness,
(e) Not in sexual immorality and sensuality,
(f) Not in fighting and envying.
(g) But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and,
(h) Make no provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof (‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:11-14‬).​


Romans 13 non-explicit commands:

  1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. Whosoever therefore resists the power, resists the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation (Romans 13:1-2) (Translation: Be subject unto the higher powers (i.e. the government, and or civil authorities) and do not resist them).
There seems to be an issue with your commandments.

You repeated a commandment to the ancients. Shown below.

You shall do no murder (Matthew 19:18)

Jesus altered that commandment.

Matthew 5:21-22
You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court.

It is no longer the physical act of murder but a way of life. The thought of murder or even the thought of harm itself, becomes the offence.
 
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There seems to be an issue with your commandments.

You repeated a commandment to the ancients. Shown below.

You shall do no murder (Matthew 19:18)

Jesus altered that commandment.

Matthew 5:21-22
You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court.

It is no longer the physical act of murder but a way of life. The thought of murder or even the thought of harm itself, becomes the offence.

No. Murder is still murder (the physical act of killing). Jesus merely expanded upon the command of murder to include more conditions besides just the physical act of killing. John also expanded upon this command in 1 John 3:15, but most Christians today don’t believe his words.
 
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No. Murder is still murder (the physical act of killing). Jesus merely expanded upon the command of murder to include more conditions besides just the physical act of killing. John also expanded upon this command in 1 John 3:15, but most Christians today don’t believe his words.
I think your missing the point. If you have an angry thought towards someone, then you have committed a very serious offence.

Jesus specified that thought crimes are an equivalent transgression of the law.

Can anyone tick the legal boxes and pass the test?

I don't think so.

We were rightly condemned before we sat the test.
 
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I think your missing the point. If you have an angry thought towards someone, then you have committed a very serious offence.

Jesus specified that thought crimes are an equivalent transgression of the law.

Yes, I am not denying thought crimes. I said Jesus and John taught that hate is the equivalent of murder. But this expansion on murder does not undo the original command to kill another physically.

You said:
Can anyone tick the legal boxes and pass the test?

I don't think so.

We were rightly condemned before we sat the test.

So you hold to popular candy coated version of Christianity that says we cannot possibly keep God’s laws that deal with putting away mortal sin? If so, good luck with that, friend. There are many warnings about how sin will lead to a believer’s condemnation. Check out Matthew 7:23-27, Matthew 13:41-42, and Revelation 22:14-15.
 
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Yes, I am not denying thought crimes. I said Jesus and John taught that hate is the equivalent of murder. But this expansion on murder does not undo the original command to kill another physically.



So you hold to popular candy coated version of Christianity that says we cannot possibly keep God’s laws that deal with putting away mortal sin? If so, good luck with that, friend. There are many warnings about how sin will lead to a believer’s condemnation. Check out Matthew 7:23-27, Matthew 13:41-42, and Revelation 22:14-15.
To cite the Exodus command is misleading in the extreme. People have no idea of their real level of transgression.

No sugar coating, people are dead in their sin. You are dead in your flesh, condemned, crucified with Christ. Morality is redundant, how can an evil person even mention that word, morality?

We crucified our creator and you want these same creatures to tie their shoe laces properly?

I don't think you understand the scripture.
 
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I see 1050 here 1,050 New Testament Commands | Christian Assemblies International
And then I see you adding many more in your response.

The list of NT commands that “Finis Jennings Dake” lists which Christian Assemblies International had copied makes more commands than what is stated plainly in Scripture.

For example: Again, Dake makes two commands out of one in command in Matthew 10:16.

Matthew 10:16 says,
“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.“

Yet, Dake makes this one command above into two commands by listing the following on his list.

1. Be wise as serpents.
2. Be as innocent as doves.

Jesus did not separate these two phrases. There are many other instances where Finis Dake does this kind of thing. So this is why the NT command count is actually lower than what he has listed.
 
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To cite the Exodus command is misleading in the extreme. People have no idea of their real level of transgression.

It is not misleading because both Jesus and Paul referred to physical killing as wrong. Yes, one can murder with their thoughts or the emotions they have towards another, too.

Take for example what the apostle John says.

1 John 3:15
“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

See, I just read and believe this verse plainly. But your belief will not allow you to do so.

You said:
No sugar coating, people are dead in their sin. You are dead in your flesh, condemned, crucified with Christ. Morality is redundant, how can an evil person even mention that word, morality?

We crucified our creator and you want these same creatures to tie their shoe laces properly?

I believe many in your camp confuse Provisional Atonement and Justification verses with Sanctification verses. But you cannot deny verses that teach Sanctification as apart of God’s plan of Salvation after we are saved by God’s grace. For...

  1. We are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24).

  2. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17).

  3. A person can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16).

  4. Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love God, and to love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life (Luke 10:25-28).

  5. Those who have done good, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, shall come forth unto the resurrection of damnation (John 5:29).

  6. We have to continue in His goodness, otherwise we can be cut off [just like the Jews were cut off] (Romans 11:21-22).

  7. Helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to inheriting the Kingdom (Matthew 25:34-40), and not helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to going away into everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:41-46).

  8. Whoever does not righteousness or does not love his brother is not of God (1 John 3:10).

  9. Whoever does what Jesus says is likened unto a wise man who built his house upon the rock, and when a storm came, it did not fall, (Matthew 7:24-25), but the person who does not do what Jesus says is likened unto a fool who built his house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (Matthew 7:26-27).

  10. Abiding in Jesus will bear much fruit, but if a person does not abide in Jesus [thereby being unfruitful], they are cast out [or cut off] like a branch to be burned in the fire (John 15:5-6).

  11. If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing (1 Peter 4:18-19).

  12. Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14) (NKJV).

You said:
I don't think you understand the scripture.

I can say the same for you, but we both cannot be right. The proof in who is right is the backing of what God’s Word says. Care to address Matthew 7:23, Matthew 7:26-27, Matthew 13:42-43, and Revelation 22:14-15?

Also, speaking of understanding:

Paul says,
“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,” (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
 
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It is not misleading because both Jesus and Paul referred to physical killing as wrong. Yes, one can murder with their thoughts or the emotions they have towards another, too.
Agree.
Take for example what the apostle John says.

1 John 3:15
“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

See, I just read and believe this verse plainly. But your belief will not allow you to do so.
Both the physical act of murder and the harmful thoughts, both require the death penalty.
I believe many in your camp confuse Provisional Atonement and Justification verses with Sanctification verses. But you cannot deny verses that teach Sanctification as apart of God’s plan of Salvation after we are saved by God’s grace.
You have developed a paradox.

Are we saved by grace or are we saved by faith plus works?

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

How can sanctification be provisional after we are saved by grace?
 
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Agree.Both the physical act of murder and the harmful thoughts, both require the death penalty.You have developed a paradox.

No paradox. Believers can obey God's commands that deal with putting away mortal sin. For Jesus says with God all things are possible. Would not God be interested in us aligning with His holy character? For does not God's Word say be ye holy as I am holy?

You said:
Are we saved by grace or are we saved by faith plus works?

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 2:9 is referring to Man Directed Works Alone Salvationism (that nullifies God's grace).
Ephesians 2:10 is referring to God Directed Works Done through the believer as a part of the Sanctification Process.

Believers are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace (i.e. Jesus Christ). It is why a person who comes to Jesus for the first time can have an assurance of salvation (Without doing any kind of work). Initial and ultimate salvation is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8-9). We are not ultimately saved by works of righteousness we have done alone without God's mercy (Titus 3:5). For even if a believer were to stumble into sin, do they get clean by doing another work? No. They get clean by confessing their sins to Jesus (1 John 2:1) (1 John 1:9) and they ask Jesus to help them to overcome their sin (or to forsake it) (Matthew 26:41) (Romans 13:14) (John 15:5). But make no mistake, Scripture is also abundantly clear in that it teaches we are saved by "works of faith" after we are saved by God's grace, too. Simply click on the following spoiler button to check out the verses.

Paul was fighting against the false belief of what I call, "Circumcision Salvationism" (Which is Law Alone Salvationism without God's grace); A certain sect of Jews were trying to deceive some Christians into thinking they had to first be circumcised in order to be saved. This was a heresy that was clearly addressed at the Jerusalem council (See Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, Acts of the Apostles 15:24). Paul also addressed this problem; Paul said to the Galatians that if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2), and then Paul mentions how if you seek to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). This "law" is the Torah because circumcision is not a part of the commands given to us by Jesus and His followers. So when Paul speaks of the “Law” or “works” in a negative light, he is referring to those who are trying to be saved by the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole or package deal. Paul is not speaking of the commands of Jesus Christ and His followers within the New Testament (or New Covenant).

Side Note:

Yes, I am aware that many laws in the Old Testament Law of Moses has carried over into the New Testament commands from Jesus and His followers, but Scriptures speaks about how the Old Covenant has ended with Christ's death. Meaning the Old way is no more. For even you will admit that murder now includes mind sins. This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

You said:
How can sanctification be provisional after we are saved by grace?

When I read the Scriptures, I see 4 different aspects of salvation described.

#1. Provisional Atonement (not "Limited Atonement").
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
This is Jesus paying the price for the sins of the entire world so as to offer mankind the free gift of salvation (if they so choose to accept it); Note: Christ's resurrection (to give us a new body not tainted by sin one day), and the ascension to the Father (after Christ telling Mary not to touch Him), and his entering the holy temple by his blood (to be our Heavenly High Priest) is also included in the Provisional Atonement, too. (For Provisional Atonement verses, see: John 1:29, 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:6, 2 Corinthians 5:19, Romans 5:6-8.).

#2. Justification (Initial Salvation, and or Foundational Salvation).
(The 1st synergistic work of GOD done in a believer).
Justification is the entrance gate to salvation, and it is the foundation of our salvation (by faith) upon which we stand. Justification is believing the gospel (Which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes it - Romans 1:16). According to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The gospel is you believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and He had risen again three days later for your salvation (Note: Do not let anyone sell you on another gospel besides this one). Depending on a person’s access or exposure to the Word: Justification will also generally include receiving Jesus as your Savior (John 1:12), and calling upon the name of the Lord (i.e. confessing with your mouth the words: “Lord Jesus” or similar equivalent - Romans 10:9) as a part of seeking forgiveness of your sins with Him by way of prayer (Romans 10:13) (Luke 15:18-21) (Luke 18:9-14). This process of salvation is without the deeds of the Law or works because it is based upon God’s mercy and grace and His redemptive work. As a result: One is born again spiritually (Note: Born again by the Spirit, and born again by water (i.e. the Scriptures - Romans 10:17, 1 Peter 1:23)). A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Hebrews 4:16) (For Justification verses, see: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-6, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 18:9-14, Romans 5:1-2).

#3. Sanctification (The Next Step or Phase in the Salvation Process).
(The 2nd synergistic work of God done in a believer).
Sanctification is the next step or phase in Salvation for a believer who lives out their faith; This is the work of God moving in a believer's life so as to help them to live holy, and to do good works and to put away the lusts of the flesh. These good works are the works of God done through the believer, and so all boasting or praise is given to the Lord. Therefore, there is no boasting in one's own work because they are ultimately the works of God done through the believer. A believer today who obeys the Lord looks to the commands of Jesus and His followers within the New Testament primarily. For believers today are not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole package deal (even though certain laws have carried over into the New Testament). Basically all ceremonial laws and judicial laws in the Old Testament no longer apply. For example: Believers do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, animal sacrifices, holy days, etc.; However, believers must keep God's Moral Laws like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie, do commit adultery, etc.; Two of the greatest commands that we should focus on daily is to love God and love our neighbor which is more fully described in Mark 12:29-31. We need to worship or adore the Lord our God, preach the gospel, help the poor, love the brethren, love our enemies, and live holy lives, etc. (For Sanctification verses, see: James 2:24, James 2:17-18, Titus 1:16, Hebrews 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:1 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 16:22, Romans 8:13, etc.).

#4. Glorification (The Future Salvation of the Truly Faithful Believer).
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
Glorification is when God takes the believer home to be with Him in His kingdom and He gives Him a new resurrected body that is not tainted by sin. This process of salvation (in being taken home) is a by product automatically for those believers who properly applied Justification and Sanctification to their lives (For Glorification verses, see: 1 Peter 5:4, 1 Peter 1:4, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Romans 13:11, Philippians 3:20-21, Hebrews 9:28).


Conclusion:

Justification, and then Sanctification is what we as believers need to be focused on. For if we are justified, and sanctified (which is only made possible by the Provisional Atonement), then we will be glorified.
 
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No paradox. Believers can obey God's commands that deal with putting away mortal sin. For Jesus says with God all things are possible. Would not God be interested in us aligning with His holy character? For does not God's Word say be ye holy as I am holy?



Ephesians 2:9 is referring to Man Directed Works Alone Salvationism (that nullifies God's grace).
Ephesians 2:10 is referring to God Directed Works Done through the believer as a part of the Sanctification Process.

Believers are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace (i.e. Jesus Christ). It is why a person who comes to Jesus for the first time can have an assurance of salvation (Without doing any kind of work). Initial and ultimate salvation is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8-9). We are not ultimately saved by works of righteousness we have done alone without God's mercy (Titus 3:5). For even if a believer were to stumble into sin, do they get clean by doing another work? No. They get clean by confessing their sins to Jesus (1 John 2:1) (1 John 1:9) and they ask Jesus to help them to overcome their sin (or to forsake it) (Matthew 26:41) (Romans 13:14) (John 15:5). But make no mistake, Scripture is also abundantly clear in that it teaches we are saved by "works of faith" after we are saved by God's grace, too. Simply click on the following spoiler button to check out the verses.

Paul was fighting against the false belief of what I call, "Circumcision Salvationism" (Which is Law Alone Salvationism without God's grace); A certain sect of Jews were trying to deceive some Christians into thinking they had to first be circumcised in order to be saved. This was a heresy that was clearly addressed at the Jerusalem council (See Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, Acts of the Apostles 15:24). Paul also addressed this problem; Paul said to the Galatians that if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2), and then Paul mentions how if you seek to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). This "law" is the Torah because circumcision is not a part of the commands given to us by Jesus and His followers. So when Paul speaks of the “Law” or “works” in a negative light, he is referring to those who are trying to be saved by the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole or package deal. Paul is not speaking of the commands of Jesus Christ and His followers within the New Testament (or New Covenant).

Side Note:

Yes, I am aware that many laws in the Old Testament Law of Moses has carried over into the New Testament commands from Jesus and His followers, but Scriptures speaks about how the Old Covenant has ended with Christ's death. Meaning the Old way is no more. For even you will admit that murder now includes mind sins. This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.



When I read the Scriptures, I see 4 different aspects of salvation described.

#1. Provisional Atonement (not "Limited Atonement").
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
This is Jesus paying the price for the sins of the entire world so as to offer mankind the free gift of salvation (if they so choose to accept it); Note: Christ's resurrection (to give us a new body not tainted by sin one day), and the ascension to the Father (after Christ telling Mary not to touch Him), and his entering the holy temple by his blood (to be our Heavenly High Priest) is also included in the Provisional Atonement, too. (For Provisional Atonement verses, see: John 1:29, 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:6, 2 Corinthians 5:19, Romans 5:6-8.).

#2. Justification (Initial Salvation, and or Foundational Salvation).
(The 1st synergistic work of GOD done in a believer).
Justification is the entrance gate to salvation, and it is the foundation of our salvation (by faith) upon which we stand. Justification is believing the gospel (Which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes it - Romans 1:16). According to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The gospel is you believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and He had risen again three days later for your salvation (Note: Do not let anyone sell you on another gospel besides this one). Depending on a person’s access or exposure to the Word: Justification will also generally include receiving Jesus as your Savior (John 1:12), and calling upon the name of the Lord (i.e. confessing with your mouth the words: “Lord Jesus” or similar equivalent - Romans 10:9) as a part of seeking forgiveness of your sins with Him by way of prayer (Romans 10:13) (Luke 15:18-21) (Luke 18:9-14). This process of salvation is without the deeds of the Law or works because it is based upon God’s mercy and grace and His redemptive work. As a result: One is born again spiritually (Note: Born again by the Spirit, and born again by water (i.e. the Scriptures - Romans 10:17, 1 Peter 1:23)). A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Hebrews 4:16) (For Justification verses, see: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-6, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 18:9-14, Romans 5:1-2).

#3. Sanctification (The Next Step or Phase in the Salvation Process).
(The 2nd synergistic work of God done in a believer).
Sanctification is the next step or phase in Salvation for a believer who lives out their faith; This is the work of God moving in a believer's life so as to help them to live holy, and to do good works and to put away the lusts of the flesh. These good works are the works of God done through the believer, and so all boasting or praise is given to the Lord. Therefore, there is no boasting in one's own work because they are ultimately the works of God done through the believer. A believer today who obeys the Lord looks to the commands of Jesus and His followers within the New Testament primarily. For believers today are not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole package deal (even though certain laws have carried over into the New Testament). Basically all ceremonial laws and judicial laws in the Old Testament no longer apply. For example: Believers do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, animal sacrifices, holy days, etc.; However, believers must keep God's Moral Laws like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie, do commit adultery, etc.; Two of the greatest commands that we should focus on daily is to love God and love our neighbor which is more fully described in Mark 12:29-31. We need to worship or adore the Lord our God, preach the gospel, help the poor, love the brethren, love our enemies, and live holy lives, etc. (For Sanctification verses, see: James 2:24, James 2:17-18, Titus 1:16, Hebrews 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:1 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 16:22, Romans 8:13, etc.).

#4. Glorification (The Future Salvation of the Truly Faithful Believer).
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
Glorification is when God takes the believer home to be with Him in His kingdom and He gives Him a new resurrected body that is not tainted by sin. This process of salvation (in being taken home) is a by product automatically for those believers who properly applied Justification and Sanctification to their lives (For Glorification verses, see: 1 Peter 5:4, 1 Peter 1:4, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Romans 13:11, Philippians 3:20-21, Hebrews 9:28).


Conclusion:

Justification, and then Sanctification is what we as believers need to be focused on. For if we are justified, and sanctified (which is only made possible by the Provisional Atonement), then we will be glorified.
I said that you generated a paradox within your narration of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Here is what you said.
Believers are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace (i.e. Jesus Christ).

But make no mistake, Scripture is also abundantly clear in that it teaches we are saved by "works of faith" after we are saved by God's grace, too. Simply click on the following spoiler button to check out the verses.
If you cannot see the paradox, then I will explain it simply for you.

You claim first that we are saved by grace, which automatically excludes our works.

Then you add "we are saved by works of faith".

Now you cannot hold to both of these doctrines at the same time, as that is a paradox.
 
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I said that you generated a paradox within your narration of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Here is what you said.If you cannot see the paradox, then I will explain it simply for you.

You claim first that we are saved by grace, which automatically excludes our works.

Then you add "we are saved by works of faith".

Now you cannot hold to both of these doctrines at the same time, as that is a paradox.

First, the Trinity (or Godhead) at first glance appears to be a paradox because 1 John 5:7 teaches that God is three and yet one, but if one fully understands the Trinity, it is not a paradox. The same is true in regards to understanding the different processes of salvation (i.e. Justification vs. Sanctification). Even the word “all” does not always mean “all” in the Bible. John 8:2 says, “And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and ALL the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.” Did all the people in existence at that time came to Jesus in that moment? No. But if one wanted to create a contradiction or paradox, I suppose they could do that with this verse.

Second, in order for your version on the gospel to be true, then certain verses in the Bible would not exist. For if your version of the gospel was true, there should be no teachings on holy living as a part of eternal life after we are saved by God's grace. For the Bible makes it clear that...

After we are saved by God's grace,
God’s works (done through us) are also required as a part of the Salvation Process:


(Here are a List of Verses):


#1. “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

#2. "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).

#3. "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

#4. "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing," (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

Supplemental verse:

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).​

#5. "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

#6. "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).

#7. “...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

Supplemental verses:

(a) “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thessalonians 2:12).

(b) “...and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and establish you in every good word and work.” (2 Thessalonians 2:16-17).​

#8. “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).

Supplemental verse:

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).​

#9. "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema [accursed] Maranatha."(1 Corinthians 16:22).

Supplemental verses:

(a) "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).

(b) “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).​

#10. ”And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.” (Luke 10:25-28).

#11. “...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Matthew 19:17-19).

#12. "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38). ”If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Matthew 16:24-26).

#13. "...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62) (cf. Luke 8:11-15, 1 Corinthians 4:15).

#14. "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).

Supplemental verses:

(a) "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).

(b) “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” (James 1:12).

(c) "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).​

#15. “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).

#16. ”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).

#17. “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

#18. “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13).

#19. ”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).

#20. ”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).
”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).

#21. “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

#22. “He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).

#23. “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (cf. 1 John 2:9-11).

#24. “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:20).

#25. “Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:24-27).

#26. “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21).

Supplementary verse:

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication” (1 Thessalonians 4:3).​

#27. “And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet [Jesus], shall be destroyed from among the people.” (Acts of the Apostles 3:23).

#28. “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.’ (John 15:5-6).

Supplementary verses:

(a) “Bring forth therefore fruits befitting for repentance” (Matthew 3:8).

(b) “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matthew 3:10).​

#29. “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.” (1 Peter 4:18-19).

#30. “For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:8-9).
 
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I said that you generated a paradox within your narration of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Here is what you said.If you cannot see the paradox, then I will explain it simply for you.

You claim first that we are saved by grace, which automatically excludes our works.

Then you add "we are saved by works of faith".

Now you cannot hold to both of these doctrines at the same time, as that is a paradox.

If your version of the gospel was true, there should be no teachings on how a believer can fall away from the faith due to any improper inaction or sin.

However, here is a General List of Verses on How Believers Can Fall Away:

1 Samuel 16:14
1 Samuel 31:4
Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
Galatians 3:1-5
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3​

Now, do not misunderstand me, believers cannot lose their salvation (like they would a pair of car keys), but they can forfeit their salvation (i.e. they can willingly throw it away by rebelling against God). In fact,

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:

Saul (1 Samuel 16:14) (1 Samuel 31:4)
Demas (2 Timothy 4:10)
The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)
Judas Iscariot (Psalm 41:9) (Luke 6:16) (Acts 1:25)
Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:17-18)
Unnamed Christians destroyed by false teaching (2 Timothy 2:17-18)
Many Unnamed Disciples (John 6:66)
Some Younger Christian Widows (1 Timothy 5:14-15)
Some Christians Eager For Money (1 Timothy 6:8-10)
Ananias and Sapphira (Acts of the Apostles 5:1-11)​

And here is a list of potential fallen believers:

The Servant Who is Not Looking For Him (Luke 12:45-46)
Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)
The Unforgiving in Heart (Matthew 6:14-15)
Luke Warm Unrepentant Believer (Revelation 3:14-22)
Fruitless Christians (John 15:1-10) (Matthew 25:14-30)
Widows That Live in Pleasure (1 Timothy 5:5-6)
Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)
Believers Whose Seed Was Choked by Thorns (Matthew 13:22)
Gentile Believer Who Did Not Have on a Wedding Garment (Matthew 22:1-14) (Revelation 19:7-8)
The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back (James 5:19-20)​

In fact, Paul is against Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved type belief. For Paul says,

  1. We can fall from grace (Galatians 5:4).

  2. We can be moved away from the hope (Colossians 1:23).

  3. We can be a castaway (1 Corinthians 9:27).

  4. We can be cut off just like the Jews if we do not continue in God’s goodness (Romans 11:20-22).

  5. We can sow to the flesh and reap corruption instead of sowing to the Spirit which reaps everlasting life. (Galatians 6:8).

  6. We can deny God by a lack of good works (Titus 1:16).

  7. We can shipwreck our faith (1 Timothy 1:19).

  8. We can deny the faith and be worse than an infidel if we do not provide for our own household (1 Timothy 5:8).

  9. We can err from the faith and pierce ourselves thru with many sorrows if we love and covet after money (1 Timothy 6:10).

  10. Hymnenaeus and Philetus have overthrown the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18).

Now, these things should not exist in Scripture if things are as you say. By your belief, you have created multiple paradoxes with literally tons of verses in the Bible so far.
 
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I said that you generated a paradox within your narration of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Here is what you said.If you cannot see the paradox, then I will explain it simply for you.

You claim first that we are saved by grace, which automatically excludes our works.

Then you add "we are saved by works of faith".

Now you cannot hold to both of these doctrines at the same time, as that is a paradox.

The gospel as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is clearly about being saved by God's grace (See: Acts of the Apostles 20:24). The problem is that your verson of God's grace does not teach this.

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.” (Titus 2:11-12).

And neither does it teach this.

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” (Titus 2:14).
 
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So things are not as you say. Paul was referring to the 1st aspect of salvation in being saved by God's grace in Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 4:3-6. Paul was not referring to the Sanctification Process that is the second phase or aspect in God's plan of salvation. Paul mentions elsewhere in Scripture the necessity of the Sanctification Process as a part of salvation (See: Romans 8:1, Romans 8:13, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Titus 1:16, Romans 11:21-22).
I agree with this. Under the New Covenant believers are still bound to keep whatever law or commandments are affirmed in the New Testament in order to enter life, as per Matt 19:17 for example. And this makes perfect sense of Rom 2:13 as well as reconciling Paul with James quite well. The difference is that man’s obligation to be obedient and righteous, to fulfill the law, is now to be done under grace, by the Spirit, by love, with God now rather than apart from Him, rather than by being under the law which means to attempt to fulfill it by my own efforts.
 
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I said that you generated a paradox within your narration of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Here is what you said.If you cannot see the paradox, then I will explain it simply for you.

You claim first that we are saved by grace, which automatically excludes our works.

Then you add "we are saved by works of faith".

Now you cannot hold to both of these doctrines at the same time, as that is a paradox.

So how do we understand Paul when he says that we are saved by God's grace through faith and not of works in Ephesians 2:8-9 if the Bible teaches that the Sanctification Process also plays a part in God's plan of salvation?

#1. Paul is referring to Initial and Foundational Salvation in Ephesians 2:8-9. How so? Ephesians 2:1 says, “And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;” (Ephesians 2:1). How many times have you been quicked by Christ? Only one time when you first came to Christ, right? So this is speaking of Initial Salvation or when you first got saved. Ephesians 2:8 says that our being saved by God's grace is a gift of God. How many times do you receive a gift? Just one time, right? So this is referring to Initial Salvation. A one time past event of being saved, and it is not referring to all aspects in the salvation process like the Provisional Atonement, or Sanctification, or Glorification (Note: Again if you don't know what these aspects of salvation mean, check out this post here).

#2. Paul is speaking against “Works Alone Salvation-ism” (that does not include God's grace). He is referring to the Jew's distortion on the Old Covenant in how they thought they could be saved by keeping primarily the 613 Laws of Moses that offered very little to no grace at all because of the heresy of what I call, “Circumcision Salvationism.” For certain Jews were trying to deceive Christians into thinking they had to first be circumcised in order to be saved (See the Jerusalem council in: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24). For Paul said elsewhere that if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing (See: Galatians 5:2). Circumcision is a part of the Old Law or the Torah, and not the commands that came from Jesus and His followers. In other words, there is a huge difference between being saved by Man Directed Works ALONE Salvationism (without God's grace), vs. being saved by God's grace that then leads to the second phase in the salvation process called Sanctification. Paul is not making a blanket statement on all forms of works of any kind, but he is referring to being saved by Man Directed Works ALONE without God's grace. For if one believed they had to first be circumcised to be saved, then they would be making the Law the basis of their salvation, and not God's grace.

#3. Nowhere does Paul teach that we can disobey the commands of Jesus that leads us into doing good works and still be saved in Ephesians 2. For Jesus tells us to love our brother in deed, and to help the poor, and to preach the gospel. If things are as you say, then we should expect Paul to teach this in Ephesians 2 or elsewhere in his writings. But if Paul were to do that, he would be contradicting his own words because he says in 1 Timothy 6:3-4 that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing. James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

So you have to understand that Ephesians 2:8-9 is referring to...

#1. The 1st aspect of salvation (Being saved by God's grace through faith without the deeds of the Law).
#2. The condemnation of “Works ALONE Salvationism” (That does not include God's grace).
#3. The condemnation of Man Directed Works (for this is why a man would boast in themselves).​

Ephesians 2:8-9 is NOT referring to...

#1. God directed works done through the believer of which we were created in Christ Jesus to do (Ephesians 2:10) (Whereby a person would boast in God and not themselves).
#2. The Sanctification Process (Which is the 2nd aspect or phase in God's plan of salvation (Which always follows being saved by God's grace through faith without the deeds of the Law). For the Bible teaches that Sanctification is a part of salvation, too (See 2 Thessalonians 2:13, John 5:24, James 2:24, and Hebrews 12:14).
In other words, one has to look at the whole counsel of God's Word to rightly divide what Paul is talking about in Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:3-5, and Titus 3:5.
 
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I see loving God with all your heart as obeying God's commands.
But we must put love of God first, then obedience follows of its own accord. Otherwise we’d essentially still be under the law, no? And that love of God is a tall order, only accomplishable by grace, realized as we enter relationship with Him through faith.
“...not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.” (Phil 3:9).

The primary name of that righteousness is love. And presumably and most likely that love has no limit to its potential for growth, incidentally. I really appreciate the thoughts of Basil of Caesarea, a 4th century believer:
If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.”
 
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I said that you generated a paradox within your narration of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Here is what you said.If you cannot see the paradox, then I will explain it simply for you.

You claim first that we are saved by grace, which automatically excludes our works.

Then you add "we are saved by works of faith".

Now you cannot hold to both of these doctrines at the same time, as that is a paradox.

You have to undertand that if Paul was arguing against a false belief like “Circumcision Salvationism” that was a belief that says you need to first be circumcised to be saved, then a person would be making the Law or works the basis for their salvation. Seeing this was a heresy during this time (See again: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24), then Paul would be using words that focused on attacking this false belief. So a person could easily misunderstand Paul to refer to all forms of Law and or works of God when this is not what Paul was speaking against. For how can Paul (God's appointed messenger) advocate a belief that leads to disobedience towards God? It's nonsense. There are many warnings about how sin can destroy our souls. Even Paul himself says be not deceive the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God and then he lists various sins (See: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
 
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But we must put love of God first, then obedience follows of its own accord. Otherwise we’d essentially still be under the law, no? And that love of God is a tall order, only accomplishable by grace, realized as we enter relationship with Him through faith.
“...not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.” (Phil 3:9).

The primary name of that righteousness is love. And presumably and most likely that love has no limit to its potential for growth, incidentally. I really appreciate the thoughts of Basil of Caesarea, a 4th century believer:
If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.”

I believe Paul was condeming in going back to the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole, and he was condemning Law ALONE Salvationism that did not include God's grace because of a heresy of what I call “Circumcision Salvationism.” This was the false belief that said you had to first be saved by circumcision. A certain sect of Jews were attempting to deceive Christians during that time period to fall for this kind of belief (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24). For Paul said if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2). Then Paul says if you seek to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). Was Paul referrng to the Laws or commands of Jesus and His followers? No. He was referring to the Torah or the Old Law. He was referring to a system of trying to be saved by Works Alone that did not include God's grace at all.
 
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Was Paul referrng to the Laws or commands of Jesus and His followers? No. He was referring to the Torah or the Old Law. He was referring to a system of trying to be saved by Works Alone that did not include God's grace at all.
My concern though is that virtually all of Jesus’ commands could still be attempted to be fulfilled legalistically, by the letter, trying to earn salvation. So in my understanding regardless of the source of the law (Paul affirms in Rom 7 that the old law was still holy, right, good, and spiritual), there’s a new way to fulfill any valid commands now, and that is by love. And this is how it’s possible to fulfill the moral law, at least, without even hearing it (Rom 2:13).

I really think Paul was condemning fulfilling any law merely by the letter while using the ceremonial law of circumcision to highlight that a mere outward sign of holiness is not necessarily any real holiness at all. Circumcision could be fulfilled by the spirit, within the heart, as could the moral laws when fulfilled by love. There’s still a division in Paul’s mind, though. Ceremonial laws need no longer be actually accomplished while the moral laws as defined in the Ten Commandments must still be actually, physically fulfilled, but motivated by love now as one is under grace, and not under the law.

And that same love also accomplishes other acts or works, such as those mentioned in Eph 2:10 or those things done “for the least of these” which Jesus uses as a criteria for separating the sheep from the goats in Matt 25.
 
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