Did Ellen White confirm that the first day is an evening and a morning?

is evening to morning the first day or the night half of the first day?

  • evening to evening is a Sabbath in Israel

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  • evening to morning is the night half of the first day

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  • morning to evening is the light half of the second day

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  • morning to morning is a Sabbath in Genesis

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  • all the above are correct

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Pointed out to me recently was this passage from the book Education as evidence that Ellen G. White confirms that composed is a day of the singular period from an evening to a morning. However, I will show below that she is not saying what they think when she uses the plural “periods” and not the singular form of the word.

Inferences erroneously drawn from facts observed in nature have, however, led to supposed conflict between science and revelation; and in the effort to restore harmony, interpretations of Scripture have been adopted that undermine and destroy the force of the word of God. Geology has been thought to contradict the literal interpretation of the Mosaic record of the creation. Millions of years, it is claimed, were required for the evolution of the earth from chaos; and in order to accommodate the Bible to this supposed revelation of science, the days of creation are assumed to have been vast, indefinite periods, covering thousands or even millions of years.
Such a conclusion is wholly uncalled for. The Bible record is in harmony with itself and with the teaching of nature. Of the first day employed in the work of creation is given the record, “The evening and the morning were the first day.” Genesis 1:5. And the same in substance is said of each of the first six days of creation week. Each of these periods Inspiration declares to have been a day consisting of evening and morning, like every other day since that time. In regard to the work of creation itself the divine testimony is, “He spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.” Psalm 33:9. With Him who could thus call into existence unnumbered worlds, how long a time would be required for the evolution of the earth from chaos? In order to account for His works, must we do violence to His word? (Education, page 129)​

Notice the definite article in the Genesis quote and her use of the words without the definite article. When she mentions “evening and morning” she is referring to a list of words and not the singular period cited in Genesis. She is saying that a day consists of the plural “periods” bordered by the words evening and morning. This previous passage shows that our language is flexible and we can misunderstand if we don't read it carefully. We are prone to blind ourselves to the correct understanding when we have a wrong way of looking at it that ignores the details. She is not saying what we think she is saying when she uses the plural “periods” and not the singular form to defend our tradition. She is not saying that made up is a day only of the period between an evening and a morning, which is half a day when she used the plural form and not the singular form of “periods”. No one disputes that she knew that a Sabbath in Israel consists of two “periods” that God named night and day with those border words from the first evening to the morning, followed by a second period from the morning to the second evening. What she is saying is that each day has the words evening and morning to border its periods, but she is not saying that a day consists only of the period from evening to morning, which is half of the first day, the night half. Language allows a change of meaning if a single word is plural or singular. Her use of the plural word “periods” confirms the first day from morning to morning that Israel remembers from evening to evening, to keep the Sabbath holy.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

Our church does not realize that God is using the Sunday tradition to give us time to grow to keep the true biblical Sabbath everywhere and not just in Israel, because God will not help to unify us on a human tradition. God is not helping to convict Sunday keepers while Saturday keepers are keeping a human tradition in contradiction to the biblical Sabbath. The never-ending fight between Saturday and Sunday is because of the Saturday tradition. God is not allowing us to unify Christianity in a human tradition. We must correct our Sabbath keeping and then God will help us correct others to keep the Sabbath.

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (John 10:27 NIV)​

Consider how our tradition ends the first day in an evening when it plainly says that the first day ends in a "morning". Human tradition has assumed that given is a beginning for the first day when no beginning is given and God expects us to find the beginning by working backwards from the given end of the first day. When it only takes one to find the other and God chose to give the end and not the beginning, our tradition forced our will for a beginning by rejecting the end as it shows our wrong assumption. It is critical that we correct our Saturday tradition with the true biblical Sabbath in God’s word to prepare many for the soon return of Jesus.

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:3-5 NIV)​

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Pointed out to me recently was this passage from the book Education as evidence that Ellen G. White confirms that composed is a day of the singular period from an evening to a morning. However, I will show below that she is not saying what they think

There is an SDA section of the forum -- why should people care about Ellen White's statements about the evening-and-morning fact that is a 24 hour day... on this section?

Do you think that everyone who keeps the Sabbath is a Seventh-day Adventist?

In any case ... I will oblige.

"Yet with the living oracles before them, those who claim to preach the word present the suppositions of human minds, the maxims and commandments of men. They make void the law of God by their traditions. The sophistry in regard to the world’s being created in an indefinite period of time is one of Satan’s falsehoods. God speaks to the human family in language they can comprehend. He does not leave the matter so indefinite that human beings can handle it according to their theories. When the Lord declares that He made the world in six days and rested on the seventh day, He means the day of twenty-four hours, which He has marked off by the rising and setting of the sun. {TM 135.3}"​

"a day consisting of evening and morning, like every other day since that time."

"The Bible record is in harmony with itself and with the teaching of nature. Of the first day employed in the work of creation is given the record, “The evening and the morning were the first day.” Genesis 1:5. And the same in substance is said of each of the first six days of creation week. Each of these periods Inspiration declares to have been a day consisting of evening and morning, like every other day since that time. In regard to the work of creation itself the divine testimony is, “He spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.” Psalm 33:9. With Him who could thus call into existence unnumbered worlds, how long a time would be required for the evolution of the earth from chaos? In order to account for His works, must we do violence to His word? "(Education, page 129)​

We should jealously guard the edges of the Sabbath. Remember that every moment is consecrated, holy time. Whenever it is possible, employers should give their workers the hours from Friday noon until the beginning of the Sabbath. Give them time for preparation, that they may welcome the Lord’s day with quietness of mind. By such a course you will suffer no loss even in temporal things. {6T 356.1}

I saw it was even so, “From even unto even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel, “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon his people for commencing the Sabbath as they have. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath. I followed the people of God up to this time, and did not see that God was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel, “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel, “If light comes, and that light is set aside, or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o’clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw the servants of God must draw together, press together. {4bSG 3.3}

Page 116, “Time to Begin the Sabbath”—For a period of about ten years Sabbathkeeping Adventists observed the Sabbath from 6 P. M. Friday to 6 P. M. Saturday. Elder Joseph Bates in his first pamphlet on the perpetuity of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, published in 1846, had given reasons for the supposed scriptural support for the observance of the Sabbath in this way. He cited the parable of the laborers in the vineyard, the last group of which had been called at “the eleventh hour” of the day and had wrought but one hour. The reckoning was made with them “when even was come.” Matthew 20:6, 8, 12. Comparing this with Christ’s question, “are there not twelve hours in the day?” He argued that the “even” began with the twelfth hour, or six o’clock, reckoning with equatorial time or the beginning of the sacred year. Respect for his years and experience and his godly life may have been the main reasons for accepting his conclusions without further investigation. {1T 713.2}

As time passed and the message spread, an increasing number of Sabbathkeepers questioned the practice and advocated the sunset time for reckoning the beginning of the Sabbath. A thorough Bible investigation of the question was made by Elder J. N. Andrews, who wrote a paper setting forth the Biblical reasons in favor of the sunset time. This paper was introduced and discussed on Sabbath, November 17, 1855, at the Conference in Battle Creek, Michigan, with the result that nearly, but not quite, all present were convinced that Elder Andrew’s conclusion was correct. The presentation of the subject to Mrs. White in this vision, given two days later, answered the questions lingering in some minds and effected unity among the believers. Commenting on this experience, as illustrating the office of the visions to confirm conclusions based on Biblical study rather than to introduce new teachings, Elder James White wrote later: {1T 713.3}​

1. The setting of the sun begins the evening
2. the setting of the sun ends the previous day and begins the new one. That is the way that "boundaries" work.
3. The rising and setting of the sun are both addressed in Genesis 1

Gen 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

"day" is used two different ways in that vs... in the first case "the light" is day and in the second case BOTH the evening and the morning combined are day.
 
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BOTH the evening and the morning combined are day.
Brother, your statement quoted above is false! Your phrase from Genesis is only half the first day, the night half. You’re missing the light half before, usually from morning to evening except for the first day when it's from first light to evening.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

Thank you for participating! You are a brave person. Everyone should know that her inspiration is above the errors of our church. We have misinterpreted her writings about the Sabbath. She is saying that the first day consists of the list of words "evening" and "morning" to define the edges of the two "periods" of the days of creation. She does not refer to the singular period in Genesis that ends the first day but about the two words that give the beginning and end of the two "periods" within the days of creation that God named “day” and “night”.

The two "periods" are:
the half day of light from morning to evening that God called a day
the half day of darkness from evening to morning that God called the night.​

She is saying that a day consists of sunsets and sunrises, “like every other day since that time", a true statement. She is referring to the list of words that define the beginning and end of the plural "periods" in a day and not a reference to the singular period that ends the first day, the night half. You realize that there is a “morning” between the next two “evenings” that divides the two periods of the Sabbath that God called “night” and “day”. Those two periods outlined are above. In Genesis the days of creation are from sunrise to sunrise and remembered is the seventh day of Eden in Israel from sunset to sunset, to keep the Sabbath holy.

It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:32 NKJV)​

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Brother, your statement quoted above is false! Your phrase from Genesis is only half the first day, the night half. You’re missing the light half before, usually from morning to evening except for the first day when it's from first light to evening.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

Thank you for participating! You are a brave person. Everyone should know that her inspiration is above the errors of our church. We have misinterpreted her writings about the Sabbath. She is saying that the first day consists of the list of words "evening" and "morning" to define the edges of the two "periods" of the days of creation. She does not refer to the singular period in Genesis that ends the first day but about the two words that give the beginning and end of the two "periods" within the days of creation that God named “day” and “night”.

The two "periods" are:
the half day of light from morning to evening that God called a day
the half day of darkness from evening to morning that God called the night.​

She is saying that a day consists of sunsets and sunrises, “like every other day since that time", a true statement. She is referring to the list of words that define the beginning and end of the plural "periods" in a day and not a reference to the singular period that ends the first day, the night half. You realize that there is a “morning” between the next two “evenings” that divides the two periods of the Sabbath that God called “night” and “day”. Those two periods outlined are above. In Genesis the days of creation are from sunrise to sunrise and remembered is the seventh day of Eden in Israel from sunset to sunset, to keep the Sabbath holy.

It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:32 NKJV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I am curious if you are an SDA? I see that is in your profile, but it's not part of the agreement we made to the church to be an Adventist. The church clearly defines Sabbath is from sundown to sundown based on scripture.

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom. The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)

The Sabbath | Adventist.org

I know you said previously you do not belong to a church, but I would suggest you contact your local pastor because the belief you are sharing is not Biblical or something we agreed to believe when we voluntary agreed to be part of the SDA church and a member. I pray for you and hope you can find the truth in scriptures and what others are sharing with you.
 
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I am curious if you are an SDA? I see that is in your profile, but it's not part of the agreement we made to the church to be an Adventist. The church clearly defines Sabbath is from sundown to sundown
Sister, that is only correct in Israel's time zone and incorrect in other time zones. I belong to Jesus who paid the price for me and I am led by the Holy Spirit who resides in me. My obligation is not to any human organization. I am an SDA because that is my experience and training.

Peter and the other apostles replied: “We must obey God rather than human beings! (Acts 5:29 NIV)​

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Sister, that is only correct in Israel's time zone and incorrect in other time zones. I belong to Jesus who paid the price for me and I am led by the Holy Spirit who resides in me. My obligation is not to any human organization. I am an SDA because that is my experience and training.

Peter and the other apostles replied: “We must obey God rather than human beings! (Acts 5:29 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

What you currently believe is not inline now with what is required as an Adventist. This is not training of the Adventist church and goes against what we believe as an Adventist and from scripture. I hope you will consider this in prayer.
 
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1. The setting of the sun begins the evening
2. the setting of the sun ends the day.
3. The rising and setting of the sun are both addressed in Genesis 1

Gen 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

"day" is used two different ways in that vs... in the first case "the light" is day and in the second case BOTH the evening and the morning combined are day.

Brother, your statement quoted above is false!

You are of course free to express that preference.. as you state it.

I prefer Bible fact.
 
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1. The setting of the sun begins the evening
2. the setting of the sun ends the previous day and begins the new one. That is the way that "boundaries" work.
3. The rising and setting of the sun are both addressed in Genesis 1

Gen 1:5 "God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” And there was evening and there was morning, one day."

"day" is used two different ways in that vs... in the first case "the light" is day and in the second case BOTH the evening and the morning combined are day.


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Your phrase from Genesis is only half the first day, the night half.

No it isn't it is all of it. As Ellen White even points out "24 hours".

The point remains -- and is pretty obvious at that.

You’re missing the light half before, usually from morning to evening except for the first day when it's from first light to evening.

Nope. Because it begins with evening "from evening to evening" is the span for one day. We see it in Lev 23 and we see it here

"I saw it was even so, “From even unto even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” (Lev 23) Said the angel, “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err."{4bSG 3.3}


Gen 1:5 "God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” And there was evening and there was morning, one day."

She is saying that the first day consists of the list of words "evening" and "morning" to define the edges of the two "periods" of the days of creation. She does not refer to the singular period in Genesis that ends the first day but about the two words that give the beginning and end of the two "periods" within the days of creation that God named “day” and “night”.

The two "periods" are:
the half day of light from morning to evening that God called a day
the half day of darkness from evening to morning that God called the night.​

There is "evening and morning" ... where a single day is "from evening to evening". This is irrefutable.
"Whenever it is possible, employers should give their workers the hours from Friday noon until the beginning of the Sabbath. Give them time for preparation" {6T 356.1}

"As time passed and the message spread, an increasing number of Sabbathkeepers questioned the practice and advocated the sunset time for reckoning the beginning of the Sabbath. A thorough Bible investigation of the question was made by Elder J. N. Andrews, who wrote a paper setting forth the Biblical reasons in favor of the sunset time." {1T 713.3}

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She is saying that a day consists of sunsets and sunrises


She never says "a day consists of sunsets and sunrises" and we both know it. If you had such a quote you would have surely given it "by now".

In Genesis the days of creation are from sunrise to sunrise

No they aren't - rather they are "from even to even" so that in each day "evening AND morning were the nth day"

"I saw it was even so, “From even unto even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” (Lev 23) Said the angel, “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err."{4bSG 3.3}

When the Lord declares that He made the world in six days and rested on the seventh day, He means the day of twenty-four hours, which He has marked off by the rising and setting of the sun. {TM 135.3}"​

"a day consisting of evening and morning, like every other day since that time."

and remembered is the seventh day of Eden in Israel from sunset to sunset, to keep the Sabbath holy.

From sunset to sunset if "from even to even" you just shot your own argument in the foot.
 
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guevaraj said:
Sister, that is only correct in Israel's time zone and incorrect in other time zones. I belong to Jesus who paid the price for me and I am led by the Holy Spirit who resides in me. My obligation is not to any human organization. I am an SDA because that is my experience and training.

Your doctrine on the Sabbath is not SDA - none of our documents support it and the Bible does not support it.

What you currently believe is not inline now with what is required as an Adventist. This is not training of the Adventist church and goes against what we believe as an Adventist and from scripture. I hope you will consider this in prayer.

I am wondering if the odd claims about Sabbath not starting in the evening have some predictable end-points and that maybe this is why the topic of this thread is not in the actual SDA forum of this board.
 
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I prefer Bible fact.
Brother, the Bible doesn't tell you that the last sentence is all that makes up the first day. You're making that assumption when the sentences before the last one are clearly part of the days of creation.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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She never says "a day consists of sunsets and sunrises" and we both know it. If you had such a quote you would have surely given it "by now".
Brother, she does not have to because the Bible says it. We already know that evening means sunset from the study of elder J. N. Andrews as you quoted and below is the biblical evidence that "morning" means sunrise.

he is like the light of morning at sunrise on a cloudless morning, like the brightness after rain that brings grass from the earth.’ (2 Samuel 23:4 NIV)​

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No it isn't it is all of it. As Ellen White even points out "24 hours". The point remains -- and is pretty obvious at that.
Brother, morning to morning is 24 hours just like evening to evening is 24 hours. What is not 24 hours is evening to morning. Evening to morning is only 12 hours.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Brother, morning to morning is 24 hours

Brother there is no "morning to morning" in Genesis 1.

There is also no "morning to morning" in this quote ...

"I saw it was even so, “From even unto even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” (Lev 23) Said the angel, “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err."{4bSG 3.3}

"When the Lord declares that He made the world in six days and rested on the seventh day, He means the day of twenty-four hours, which He has marked off by the rising and setting of the sun. {TM 135.3}"

"a day consisting of evening and morning, like every other day since that time."


just like evening to evening is 24 hours. What is not 24 hours is evening to morning. Evening to morning is only 12 hours.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​
 
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Brother, she does not have to because the Bible says it.

Your thread title puts the focus on what Ellen White was teaching.. I did not do that.

We already know that evening means sunset from the study of elder J. N. Andrews as you quoted

Indeed (from sunset to sunset) is the same as "from evening to evening" ... it is one day.

Adventists do not say that the meaning of the term "evening" is "Sunrise" and never have said that.

Neither does the bible say it.

And Ellen White never says it
 
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Brother, morning to morning is 24 hours just like evening to evening is 24 hours.

True but the text says "from evening to evening" Lev 23 -- so also does Ellen White.

And in Gen 1 that 24 hours is the combination of BOTH evening AND morning.

What is not 24 hours is evening to morning. Evening to morning is only 12 hours.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

context is everything, so 'we notice' that the text does not say "from sunset to sunrise" it does not say "from the evening part of the day to the moment it is morning".

Rather it uses Evening and morning the way we use Night and Day to be one 24 hour period.

This is obvious
 
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"I saw it was even so, “From even unto even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” (Lev 23) Said the angel, “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err."{4bSG 3.3} ... From sunset to sunset if "from even to even" you just shot your own argument in the foot.
Brother, both ways to keep the Sabbath are correct in different time zones. Genesis confirms that in Eden the Sabbath is from morning to morning and our prophetess confirms that the Sabbath in Israel is from evening to evening. The reason both are correct is because set is the Sabbath in the Eden time zone when God made it holy and remembered in the Eden time zone, to keep it holy.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Rather it uses Evening and morning the way we use Night and Day to be one 24 hour period.
Brother, that's a made-up human tradition because God defined "night" and "day" in the previous sentence and didn't use those words and instead used other words that mean something else: evening for sunset and morning for sunrise.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Pointed out to me recently was this passage from the book Education as evidence that Ellen G. White confirms that composed is a day of the singular period from an evening to a morning. However, I will show below that she is not saying what they think when she uses the plural “periods” and not the singular form of the word.

Inferences erroneously drawn from facts observed in nature have, however, led to supposed conflict between science and revelation; and in the effort to restore harmony, interpretations of Scripture have been adopted that undermine and destroy the force of the word of God. Geology has been thought to contradict the literal interpretation of the Mosaic record of the creation. Millions of years, it is claimed, were required for the evolution of the earth from chaos; and in order to accommodate the Bible to this supposed revelation of science, the days of creation are assumed to have been vast, indefinite periods, covering thousands or even millions of years.
Such a conclusion is wholly uncalled for. The Bible record is in harmony with itself and with the teaching of nature. Of the first day employed in the work of creation is given the record, “The evening and the morning were the first day.” Genesis 1:5. And the same in substance is said of each of the first six days of creation week. Each of these periods Inspiration declares to have been a day consisting of evening and morning, like every other day since that time. In regard to the work of creation itself the divine testimony is, “He spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.” Psalm 33:9. With Him who could thus call into existence unnumbered worlds, how long a time would be required for the evolution of the earth from chaos? In order to account for His works, must we do violence to His word? (Education, page 129)​

Notice the definite article in the Genesis quote and her use of the words without the definite article. When she mentions “evening and morning” she is referring to a list of words and not the singular period cited in Genesis. She is saying that a day consists of the plural “periods” bordered by the words evening and morning. This previous passage shows that our language is flexible and we can misunderstand if we don't read it carefully. We are prone to blind ourselves to the correct understanding when we have a wrong way of looking at it that ignores the details. She is not saying what we think she is saying when she uses the plural “periods” and not the singular form to defend our tradition. She is not saying that made up is a day only of the period between an evening and a morning, which is half a day when she used the plural form and not the singular form of “periods”. No one disputes that she knew that a Sabbath in Israel consists of two “periods” that God named night and day with those border words from the first evening to the morning, followed by a second period from the morning to the second evening. What she is saying is that each day has the words evening and morning to border its periods, but she is not saying that a day consists only of the period from evening to morning, which is half of the first day, the night half. Language allows a change of meaning if a single word is plural or singular. Her use of the plural word “periods” confirms the first day from morning to morning that Israel remembers from evening to evening, to keep the Sabbath holy.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

Our church does not realize that God is using the Sunday tradition to give us time to grow to keep the true biblical Sabbath everywhere and not just in Israel, because God will not help to unify us on a human tradition. God is not helping to convict Sunday keepers while Saturday keepers are keeping a human tradition in contradiction to the biblical Sabbath. The never-ending fight between Saturday and Sunday is because of the Saturday tradition. God is not allowing us to unify Christianity in a human tradition. We must correct our Sabbath keeping and then God will help us correct others to keep the Sabbath.

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (John 10:27 NIV)​

Consider how our tradition ends the first day in an evening when it plainly says that the first day ends in a "morning". Human tradition has assumed that given is a beginning for the first day when no beginning is given and God expects us to find the beginning by working backwards from the given end of the first day. When it only takes one to find the other and God chose to give the end and not the beginning, our tradition forced our will for a beginning by rejecting the end as it shows our wrong assumption. It is critical that we correct our Saturday tradition with the true biblical Sabbath in God’s word to prepare many for the soon return of Jesus.

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:3-5 NIV)​

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I don't know what Ellen White said or didn't say ...

In Genesis it states "He called the light day" ... doesn't specify it to be specific time period ... (day) is what He called the light-time duration. Morning was daybreak into the light of the day (until sunset - one day and includes a light-time duration)

The Sabbath clarifies a what is and was (during creation a full biblical day).

Exodus 20

8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God, on which you must not do any work—neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant or livestock, nor the foreigner within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

God, Creator of the Sabbath, determines when the day begins and ends, and it was observed from sunset to sunset throughout the Bible (including Jesus). His Sabbath begins Friday evening at sunset and ends Saturday evening at sunset.

For creation to be consistent in regard to the Sabbath ... and ... vice versa .... a full day is sunset to sunset (verse above is indeed referring to creation) that includes "day light" hours within it.

The 7th day Sabbath is from sunset to sunset therefore the other six are as well.
 
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I don't know what Ellen White said or didn't say ...
Brother, thanks for participating. Her inspiration is consistent with what I see in the Bible that my church doesn't understand. This is proof to me of her inspiration! Her inspiration is above the mistakes of my church. They have misinterpreted her writings about the Sabbath in contradiction to what revealed is in the Bible when what she wrote is consistent with what I see in the Bible. Why is this important? For me, it shows God working in our recent history with a modern prophet.
In Genesis it states "He called the light day" ... doesn't specify it to be specific time period ... (day) is what He called the light-time duration. Morning was daybreak into the light of the day (until sunset - one day and includes a light-time duration)
You're talking about the 12-hour period of light from morning to evening that God called “day”. Unlike the 24-hour “first day” that adds to the previous light period the night part from evening to morning before the end of the first day.
The Sabbath clarifies a what is and was (during creation a full biblical day).
That is not the case, the Sabbath is the seventh day in Eden made “holy”. What does it mean to make it holy? It means that set is the Sabbath in Eden time zone and evidence for this is how Israel remembers the Sabbath. Israel remembers the Sabbath in the Eden time zone, 10 hours before its local seventh day, to keep the Sabbath “holy”.
Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God, on which you must not do any work—neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant or livestock, nor the foreigner within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.
What my church didn't understand is what it means for God to make time “holy”. It means that God set it in the Eden time zone separating it from the week. The Sabbath falls on the seventh day only in Eden and in other places like Israel falls between two days of the week. In the case of Israel, the Sabbath falls exactly between the sixth and seventh, taking the night of the sixth and the light of the seventh day as established are the days in Eden from morning to morning and not as Israel remembers the Sabbath from evening to evening. 10 hours before the seventh local day from morning to morning.
God, Creator of the Sabbath, determines when the day begins and ends, and it was observed from sunset to sunset throughout the Bible (including Jesus). His Sabbath begins Friday evening at sunset and ends Saturday evening at sunset.
That is correct only in Israel because separated is the Sabbath from the week and remembered is everywhere in the Eden time zone to keep it “holy”.
For creation to be consistent in regard to the Sabbath ... and ... vice versa .... a full day is sunset to sunset (verse above is indeed referring to creation) that includes "day light" hours within it.
Consistent is it but more complicated than originally understood to keep it. Actually, the Sabbath is very simple. The Sabbath is the seventh day in Eden remembered everywhere in the Eden time zone. To illustrate what I mean! If there was a business meeting in China and you wanted to take part from the United States, you would have to adjust your local time to their local time so that you do not call them before or after the meeting. That's how it is with the Sabbath. To take part in that “holy” time, you must adjust your local time to the local time in Eden so that you do not join the Sabbath before or after the meeting. We don't know where Eden is, but God did the work for us by instructing Israel on how to remember the Eden-Sabbath. All we have to do is adjust our local time to Israel time to remember the Sabbath correctly.
The 7th day Sabbath is from sunset to sunset therefore the other six are as well.
Every day of the week is from morning to morning as established in Genesis. Only the Sabbath in Israel and not elsewhere is from evening to evening. Every day of the week in Israel is from morning to morning and the Sabbath falls between two weekdays in Israel. In the passage below God set the days of creation week from morning to morning or, in the case of the first day, from first light to light again in the morning. The Sabbath in Israel is not a weekday because remembered is it in the Eden time zone.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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I don't know what Ellen White said or didn't say ...

In Genesis it states "He called the light day" ... doesn't specify it to be specific time period ... (day) is what He called the light-time duration. Morning was daybreak into the light of the day (until sunset - one day and includes a light-time duration)

The Sabbath clarifies a what is and was (during creation a full biblical day).

Exodus 20

8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God, on which you must not do any work—neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant or livestock, nor the foreigner within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

God, Creator of the Sabbath, determines when the day begins and ends, and it was observed from sunset to sunset throughout the Bible (including Jesus). His Sabbath begins Friday evening at sunset and ends Saturday evening at sunset.

For creation to be consistent in regard to the Sabbath ... and ... vice versa .... a full day is sunset to sunset (verse above is indeed referring to creation) that includes "day light" hours within it.

The 7th day Sabbath is from sunset to sunset therefore the other six are as well.


She did not believe that nor did she practice that---this person is not an SDA--he just claims to be one---no SDA believes this. The bible does not say this, it is his own personal false idea and has nothing to do withy facts nor with what we or the bible teaches.
 
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