LDS Priesthoods Not Found In The Writings Of The Early Church Fathers

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Is matter your God? I don't understand why you'd say such a thing otherwise. In Christianity, we call the One Who is uncreated and preexistent God, and matter does not preexist with Him (or else we couldn't say as we do in the Creed that He is the creator of "all things, seen and unseen").
Matter is not my God, is nothing your God? Create does not mean what you think it means:

(Old Testament | Genesis 1:27)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

(Old Testament | Genesis 2:7)

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

(Old Testament | Psalms 90:2)

2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
 
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Matter is not my God, is nothing your God? Create does not mean what you think it means:

(Old Testament | Genesis 1:27)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

(Old Testament | Genesis 2:7)

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

(Old Testament | Psalms 90:2)

2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Does your citing of Genesis 2:7 mean that dust preexisted from eternity with God, or is it another thing that He created?

If your answer is "Of course dust did not preexist with God", then you will understand the Christian rejection of creation from eternally preexistent matter.
 
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May God preserve and comfort you, Daniel.

My health problems are opening many many doors to witness for our Lord.

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Does your citing of Genesis 2:7 mean that dust preexisted from eternity with God, or is it another thing that He created?

If your answer is "Of course dust did not preexist with God", then you will understand the Christian rejection of creation from eternally preexistent matter.
I believe that God formed the earth and that matter has always existed, even matter that is invisible to us.
 
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I started the other thread but I didn’t mention the ECF in my OP. So I decided to start this thread to specifically address this issue. So I ask you where are the references to the LDS Priesthoods in the writings of the ECF?

Church Fathers - Wikipedia

Early Church Fathers - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Early Church Fathers

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There are probably very little, if any, such writings since early Christianity deviated from the Biblical paradigm of "apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers, pastors" (Ephesians 4:11) early on. Early Christianity moved to the "bishop, priest, deacon" paradigm even those there is no backing for such in the Bible. Note what Jesuit scholar Francis Sullivan writes:

As was noted in the first chapter, most Christian scholars from both sides of this divide agree that the threefold structure of ministry, with one bishop along with a number of presbyters and deacons in each local church, does not appear in the New Testament. (Sullivan, From Apostles to Bishops, pg. 217)


Catholics and others will claim that Bishops are the successors to the Apostles. This notion is plainly refuted by Ignatius of Antioch who didn't believe himself to be the equivalent of an Apostle.

Seeing that I love you I thus spare you, though I might write more sharply on his behalf: but I did not think myself competent for this, that being a convict I should order you as though I were an Apostle. (Ignatius of Antioch quoted in The Apostolic Fathers, 73)

At the very least Ignatius' comment supports the Latter-day Saint belief that Bishops are not Apostles, and not on the same level as Apostles. I hope this helps...
 
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You should definitely stop.

There are probably very little, if any, such writings since early Christianity deviated from the Biblical paradigm of "apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers, pastors" (Ephesians 4:11) early on.

Period-appropriate evidence of the early Church lacking any of these, please.

Early Christianity moved to the "bishop, priest, deacon" paradigm even those there is no backing for such in the Bible.

bishops (episkopos; lit. 'overseer') and deacons (diakonos; lit. 'servant'), Philippians 1:1 -- Paul and Timothy, bondservants of Jesus Christ, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops and deacons

priests (presbyteros; lit. 'elder'), Titus 1:5 -- For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you

Note what Jesuit scholar Francis Sullivan writes:

As was noted in the first chapter, most Christian scholars from both sides of this divide agree that the threefold structure of ministry, with one bishop along with a number of presbyters and deacons in each local church, does not appear in the New Testament. (Sullivan, From Apostles to Bishops, pg. 217)

The New Testament is when that entire structure is being set up (see Titus, above), so observations like this are not really telling us anything.

Catholics and others will claim that Bishops are the successors to the Apostles.

They are.

This notion is plainly refuted by Ignatius of Antioch who didn't believe himself to be the equivalent of an Apostle.

Being a successor doesn't mean that you consider yourself equivalent. HH St. Ignatius had the proper humility and fear of God to not consider himself to be the equivalent of his predecessors the Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul, and HH St. Evodius. It is the same to this day, wherein none of our bishops would think of themselves as worthy of being called 'equivalents to the apostles', and yet some have been called that (e.g., HH St. Athanasius the Apostolic), and more importantly for this conversation they still recognize themselves as being entrusted to carry on the shepherding of the Church which began on the preaching of the actual apostles and disciples of Christ (whichever arrived at whichever apostolic see: Sts. Peter and Paul in Antioch, St. Mark in Alexandria, Sts. Bartholomew and Thaddeus in Armenia, St. Thomas in India, etc). That's what being their successor means, in practical terms: as they once shepherded the Church, successive generations after them have been entrusted to do the same, down to this very day.

Seeing that I love you I thus spare you, though I might write more sharply on his behalf: but I did not think myself competent for this, that being a convict I should order you as though I were an Apostle. (Ignatius of Antioch quoted in The Apostolic Fathers, 73)

The fact that you read this as though he is refuting the fact that he has the leadership position that he very clearly has at the time in which he wrote them tells me that your reading of the holy saint's letters is motivated not by a desire to understand the historical circumstances in which they were written, nor the theology or ecclesiology contained in them, but out of a desire to buttress Mormonism, and to write it into the historical record where it has absolutely no business being. Just as with your other coreligionists when they try this same claptrap, I will not let that happen unopposed.

The same holy saint who you are quoting in support of your view also wrote the following (Epistle to the Smyrnaeans, Cyril Richardson trans.; pdf here):

You should all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ did the Father. Follow, too, the presbytery as you would the apostles; and respect the deacons as you would God’s law. Nobody must do anything that has to do with the Church without the bishop’s approval. You should regard that Eucharist as valid which is celebrated either by the bishop or by someone he authorizes. Where the bishop is present, there let the congregation gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Without the bishop’s supervision, no baptisms or love feasts are permitted. On the other hand, whatever he approves pleases God as well. In that way everything you do will be on the safe side and valid.

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Seeing as how HH was a bishop himself at the time of writing this, and he here exhorts the people that they are to follow the bishop as Jesus Christ does the Father, do you really think that his use of the phrasing "as though I were an apostle" is somehow meant to diminish the place that the bishop has in the Church? If you do, I have some Edenic land to sell you in Missouri.

At the very least Ignatius' comment supports the Latter-day Saint belief that Bishops are not Apostles, and not on the same level as Apostles. I hope this helps...

Nobody claims that they are apostles in the first place, although some certainly have been given the honor of being called 'equal to the apostles' in light of their work in spreading and strengthening Christianity (I mentioned HH St. Athanasius earlier, since this is what we call him in the Coptic Orthodox Church in particular; the Eastern Orthodox also have many people they also apply this title to), so you're wrong about that last claim.

What would be truly helpful is if Mormons wouldn't come here claiming to know what the Fathers said and meant based on what some later Jesuit has to say (who for all I know has probably been put through the same Mormon thought-grinder as HH St. Ignatius is in your reply). As it is, the members of your parasitic pseudo-church have nothing to do with any Christian figures prior to 1830, thanks be to God, and really nothing to do with any of them afterwards, either, since Mormonism is a non-Christian religion based on its founder's distortions of various strains of 19th century American Protestantism. It has no formative period that dates back to anywhere close to any of the Early Church Fathers. That's the real reason why you don't find Mormon ideas in their writings. The restorationist mindset that is required for Mormonism to even exist in the first place does not predate the various movements in the Roman Catholic Church like the Lollards or the Hussites (14th-16th century) which eventually led to the Protestant Reformation, which of course Mormonism itself significantly postdates.

Mormonism has no history prior to the 19th century, and I'm sure our Protestant friends here will disavow the association of Mormonism with Protestantism in a historical context, and with reason, as JS went from preaching something that was at least vaguely in conformity with mainstream Protestantism (as you can see with the Trinitarianism of the 1830 edition of the BOM) to by the end of his life preaching something that was way out of bounds with that, thereby cutting his religion off from whatever roots it may have once had in the various Protestant revival meetings his family is said to have attended prior to the start of his prophetic career.
 
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You said: "Mormonism has no history prior to the 19th century, and I'm sure our Protestant friends here will disavow the association of Mormonism with Protestantism in a historical context, and with reason, as JS went from preaching something that was at least vaguely in conformity with mainstream Protestantism (as you can see with the Trinitarianism of the 1830 edition of the BOM) to by the end of his life preaching something that was way out of bounds with that, thereby cutting his religion off from whatever roots it may have once had in the various Protestant revival meetings his family is said to have attended prior to the start of his prophetic career."
Actually the History of The Church Of Jesus Christ started before the earth was created and was restored to the earth in these latter days.
 
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I believe that God formed the earth and that matter has always existed, even matter that is invisible to us.

We know from Thermodynamics that everything is becoming disorganized thus matter would cease to exist at some point. This works against the claim that matter always existed.
 
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I'll bite...

There are probably very little, if any, such writings since early Christianity deviated from the Biblical paradigm of "apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers, pastors" (Ephesians 4:11) early on. Early Christianity moved to the "bishop, priest, deacon" paradigm even those there is no backing for such in the Bible. Note what Jesuit scholar Francis Sullivan writes:

As was noted in the first chapter, most Christian scholars from both sides of this divide agree that the threefold structure of ministry, with one bishop along with a number of presbyters and deacons in each local church, does not appear in the New Testament. (Sullivan, From Apostles to Bishops, pg. 217)


Catholics and others will claim that Bishops are the successors to the Apostles. This notion is plainly refuted by Ignatius of Antioch who didn't believe himself to be the equivalent of an Apostle.

Seeing that I love you I thus spare you, though I might write more sharply on his behalf: but I did not think myself competent for this, that being a convict I should order you as though I were an Apostle. (Ignatius of Antioch quoted in The Apostolic Fathers, 73)

At the very least Ignatius' comment supports the Latter-day Saint belief that Bishops are not Apostles, and not on the same level as Apostles. I hope this helps...

Acts 20:28
Take care and be on guard for yourselves and the whole flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you bishops and guardians,

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a dedicated nation, [God’s] own purchased, special people, that you may set forth the wonderful deeds and display the virtues and perfections of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

Revelation 1:6
And formed us into a kingdom (a royal race), priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the power and the majesty and the dominion throughout the ages and forever and ever. Amen (so be it).

Romans 16:1
Now I introduce and commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cenchreae,

Philippians 1:1
Paul and Timothy, bond servants of Christ Jesus (the Messiah), to all the saints (God’s consecrated people) in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi, with the bishops (overseers) and deacons (assistants):

1 Timothy 3:13
For those who perform well as deacons acquire a good standing for themselves and also gain much confidence and freedom and boldness in the faith which is [founded on and centers] in Christ Jesus.
 
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There are probably very little, if any, such writings since early Christianity deviated from the Biblical paradigm of "apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers, pastors" (Ephesians 4:11) early on. Early Christianity moved to the "bishop, priest, deacon" paradigm even those there is no backing for such in the Bible. Note what Jesuit scholar Francis Sullivan writes:

As was noted in the first chapter, most Christian scholars from both sides of this divide agree that the threefold structure of ministry, with one bishop along with a number of presbyters and deacons in each local church, does not appear in the New Testament. (Sullivan, From Apostles to Bishops, pg. 217)


Catholics and others will claim that Bishops are the successors to the Apostles. This notion is plainly refuted by Ignatius of Antioch who didn't believe himself to be the equivalent of an Apostle.

Seeing that I love you I thus spare you, though I might write more sharply on his behalf: but I did not think myself competent for this, that being a convict I should order you as though I were an Apostle. (Ignatius of Antioch quoted in The Apostolic Fathers, 73)

At the very least Ignatius' comment supports the Latter-day Saint belief that Bishops are not Apostles, and not on the same level as Apostles. I hope this helps...

The bible our defense as the armor of God is self protective, self interpreting by it we are instructed to seek the approval of our unseen Holy father in heaven . .There are two warning given to protect the integrity of the sword of the Spirit again as that which defends us . .

(1) that of one word . . .changing the meaning of one word can change the discourse (Deuteronomy 4:3) and (2) another that works with the first at the end of the book of law the Bible (Revelation 22) to protect the integrity of the whole or perfect . By which we can commune face to face in the revealed knowledge.

The answer is found in defining the word "apostle'. It simply means "send one" .The meaning has been changed by all sects that have a pecking order (Hierarchy, the order of Kings ,venerable ones) .Mormon's, JW's and Catholics. they say the lord is still being new revelation .Yet Revelation is still the last chapter . No man has dared to say they have opened the 7 seals and added I heard it through the grapevine oral traditions of mankind .They therefore say they do not but they so .


Mankind that lords it over the faith of non venerable. Called the abomination of desolation. This is when ,I heard it through the grapevine as oral traditions of men make God's tradition all things written in the the law and prophets to no effect .So that then men will follow the venerable glorying in their flesh as if they had power others did not. The Bible says they have received their reward, again other glorying in the flesh of those sent.

Apostle are sent ones .They are sent with prophecy sola scriptura. A duel gift (1) sent. (2) and moved to bring the word of God .Not the will of the apostle. Apostleship and prophets work as one gift.

It would make no sense to sent a apostle with the will of his own without the word of God .

It as it is written (sola scriptura) is the one source of Christian faith. It alone is the reforming ,restoring authority in any generation where at least two or three, a family or nation gather together under the hearing of Christ's faith that faith that does work in us .

Again any sect that sets up a pecking order. Hierarchy of men that Lord it over the faith of the pew sitters . . . the "abomination of desolation" )
 
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We know from Thermodynamics that everything is becoming disorganized thus matter would cease to exist at some point. This works against the claim that matter always existed.
Science states that matter has and always will exist:

"In physics and chemistry, the law of conservation of mass or principle of mass conservation states that for any system closed to all transfers of matter and energy, the mass of the system must remain constant over time, as the system's mass cannot change, so quantity can neither be added nor be removed. Therefore, the quantity of mass is conserved over time.

The law implies that mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form. For example, in chemical reactions, the mass of the chemical components before the reaction is equal to the mass of the components after the reaction. Thus, during any chemical reaction and low-energy thermodynamic processes in an isolated system, the total mass of the reactants, or starting materials, must be equal to the mass of the products.

The concept of mass conservation is widely used in many fields such as chemistry, mechanics, and fluid dynamics. Historically, mass conservation was demonstrated in chemical reactions independently by Mikhail Lomonosov and later rediscovered by Antoine Lavoisier in the late 18th century. The formulation of this law was of crucial importance in the progress from alchemy to the modern natural science of chemistry."

From: Conservation of mass - Wikipedia
 
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Science states that matter has and always will exist:

"In physics and chemistry, the law of conservation of mass or principle of mass conservation states that for any system closed to all transfers of matter and energy, the mass of the system must remain constant over time, as the system's mass cannot change, so quantity can neither be added nor be removed. Therefore, the quantity of mass is conserved over time.

The law implies that mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form. For example, in chemical reactions, the mass of the chemical components before the reaction is equal to the mass of the components after the reaction. Thus, during any chemical reaction and low-energy thermodynamic processes in an isolated system, the total mass of the reactants, or starting materials, must be equal to the mass of the products.

The concept of mass conservation is widely used in many fields such as chemistry, mechanics, and fluid dynamics. Historically, mass conservation was demonstrated in chemical reactions independently by Mikhail Lomonosov and later rediscovered by Antoine Lavoisier in the late 18th century. The formulation of this law was of crucial importance in the progress from alchemy to the modern natural science of chemistry."

From: Conservation of mass - Wikipedia

Christ is the head scientist. He created nature the things seen. (let there be molecules and atoms and it was good.

The law of God states that we do not know Christ after the philosophies of men as oral traditions The rudiments of this world atoms and molecule are not part of the new creation ,He created two Genesis's in the beginning.

Genesis 2 King James Version (KJV)

Geneisis 2: 4 These are the generations (plural) of the heavens and of the earth when they (plural) were created, in the day (singular) that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

One corrupted creation seen, the other not seen until the last day under the Sun .The old rudiments (flesh and blood) will not be remembered or ever come to mind .They will not enter the new order of rudiments (non corrupted)

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
 
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Christ is the head scientist. He created nature the things seen. (let there be molecules and atoms and it was good.

The law of God states that we do not know Christ after the philosophies of men as oral traditions The rudiments of this world atoms and molecule are not part of the new creation ,He created two Genesis's in the beginning.

Genesis 2 King James Version (KJV)

Geneisis 2: 4 These are the generations (plural) of the heavens and of the earth when they (plural) were created, in the day (singular) that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

One corrupted creation seen, the other not seen until the last day under the Sun .The old rudiments (flesh and blood) will not be remembered or ever come to mind .They will not enter the new order of rudiments (non corrupted)

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
There has always been an existence. God has always existed., and He formed the earth from everlasting to everlasting:

(Old Testament | Psalms 90:2)

2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
 
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There has always been an existence. God has always existed., and He formed the earth from everlasting to everlasting:

(Old Testament | Psalms 90:2)

2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

I would agree God who is Light has always existed . Unlike atoms and molecules they have a beginning .

In the beginning of beginnings. Let there be Light. Light of the gospel entered in and the glory of God set the stage for the propmised demonstration .

God is Light and not that he can only create it but is the very essence of Spirit life. God is Spirit. It was good . . until God saw pride in the spirit of lies.(day three)it corrupted his glory. . . departing never to return to those corrupted rudiments . I would offer we simply do not know God after the rudiments of this world .He will not be found in a scientific laboratory .He has no DNA

Chasing after rudiments through the philosophies of men is the pagan foundation.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
 
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Science states that matter has and always will exist:

"In physics and chemistry, the law of conservation of mass or principle of mass conservation states that for any system closed to all transfers of matter and energy, the mass of the system must remain constant over time, as the system's mass cannot change, so quantity can neither be added nor be removed. Therefore, the quantity of mass is conserved over time.

The law implies that mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form. For example, in chemical reactions, the mass of the chemical components before the reaction is equal to the mass of the components after the reaction. Thus, during any chemical reaction and low-energy thermodynamic processes in an isolated system, the total mass of the reactants, or starting materials, must be equal to the mass of the products.

The concept of mass conservation is widely used in many fields such as chemistry, mechanics, and fluid dynamics. Historically, mass conservation was demonstrated in chemical reactions independently by Mikhail Lomonosov and later rediscovered by Antoine Lavoisier in the late 18th century. The formulation of this law was of crucial importance in the progress from alchemy to the modern natural science of chemistry."

From: Conservation of mass - Wikipedia

And the other laws state?
 
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I would agree God who is Light has always existed . Unlike atoms and molecules they have a beginning .

In the beginning of beginnings. Let there be Light. Light of the gospel entered in and the glory of God set the stage for the propmised demonstration .

God is Light and not that he can only create it but is the very essence of Spirit life. God is Spirit. It was good . . until God saw pride in the spirit of lies.(day three)it corrupted his glory. . . departing never to return to those corrupted rudiments . I would offer we simply do not know God after the rudiments of this world .He will not be found in a scientific laboratory .He has no DNA

Chasing after rudiments through the philosophies of men is the pagan foundation.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Well we do know that God has an image and a person. We also know He is like us:

(Old Testament | Genesis 1:27)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

(New Testament | Hebrews 1:2 - 3)

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

(New Testament | 1 John 3:2)

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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Period-appropriate evidence of the early Church lacking any of these, please.

Are there any ECF writings that list the current 12 Apostles of that writer's day? That would cause quite a stir.


Being a successor doesn't mean that you consider yourself equivalent.

It actually does. The definition of successor is "someone or something that follows and takes the job, place, or position that was held by another". An Apostle replaces an Apostle, a Bishop replaces a Bishop, and so forth.

HH St. Ignatius had the proper humility and fear of God to not consider himself to be the equivalent of his predecessors the Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul, and HH St. Evodius.

Because he wasn't.


The fact that you read this as though he is refuting the fact that he has the leadership position that he very clearly has at the time...

I'm quoting this to show he believed he was a Bishop and didn't believe he held the higher authority of an Apostle.

Seeing as how HH was a bishop himself at the time of writing this, and he here exhorts the people that they are to follow the bishop as Jesus Christ does the Father, do you really think that his use of the phrasing "as though I were an apostle" is somehow meant to diminish the place that the bishop has in the Church?

No, it's meant to remind the local Christians that there is a higher office than Bishop and that he's not suited to address some of their concerns.



Nobody claims that they are apostles in the first place,
Well, there you go!

Ephesians 4:11, 13 (KJV)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith,

Paul clearly states that the organization of the 12 Apostles should remain from ancient times continuously until "we all come in the unity of the faith". Since there currently isn't a unity of faith on the Earth (as evidenced by this forum and elsewhere), there ought to still be a single organization of 12 Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ on the Earth.

What would be truly helpful is if Mormons wouldn't come here claiming to know what the Fathers said and meant based on what some later Jesuit has to say (who for all I know has probably been put through the same Mormon thought-grinder as HH St. Ignatius is in your reply).

Even better would be no one attempting to squelch debate... on a debate forum.

It has no formative period that dates back to anywhere close to any of the Early Church Fathers. That's the real reason why you don't find Mormon ideas in their writings.

Its formative period was during the ministry of Christ and the Apostles. And that's why in the earliest post-Apostolic writes you see mention of:

multiple divine beings (Justin Martyr)

creation ex-materia (Justin Martyr again)

baptism for the dead (early Tertullian, Ambrosiaster, Shephard of Hermas)

Multiple Degrees of Glory (John Chrysostom, Origen, Clement of Alexandria, Augustine, Irenaeus)

Apostasy (Theodoret, Ignatius, Eusebius, Justin Martyr again!, Cyril of Jerusalem, Tertullian, Hegesippus)

Man having the potential to become like God (Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Hyppolytus, Cyprian, Origen)

(as you can see with the Trinitarianism of the 1830 edition of the BOM)

And there are exactly 0 distinctly Trinitarian references in any edition of the Book of Mormon, as is the case with the Bible.
 
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