Timtofly
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Yes it does.Does 2 Peter 3 leave any room for anything in this timeline to continue happening as Keras suggests?
2 Peter 3
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen
Peter does not say the NHNE starts, he says we look forward to it even if the heavens themselves disappear and the earth is laid bare. When God comes on the throne in the 6th Seal that is exactly what happens except there are still mountains to hide under, but nothing of man's doing will hide humanity from God. Only the heavens are dissolved. Peter says the earth is laid bare. That is not the end of earth. At least not the translation you chose, puts it that way. The end as you and some here imagine, is just that, private imagination. Another translation:
On that Day the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt and disintegrate, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up.
Since everything is going to be destroyed like this, what kind of people should you be?
This implies the earth is burned up as well.
the day of the Lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.
All these, then, being dissolved, what kind of persons doth it behove you to be in holy behaviours and pious acts?
This is less sure about the earth. It does not seem to imply either way. "And earth" is or is not the object like the heavens, because after we see "and the works in it shall be burnt up." It is still distinguishing the earth from what has been done on the earth. That could still imply the earth is left and the humans on it to face a future judgment. Also we see from other Scriptures like Revelation that it is not instant but takes a few years to accomplish the destruction of the works on the earth.
Amil taking one Scripture and basing their view and then just twisting and denying the whole of God's word is what pre-mill are accused of doing. So why do amil do it and it is OK, but wrong for pre-mill? Peter did not say the earth was gone, especially in the translation you used. The earth was void of much of how it looks today, but humans will still live here for another 6 years. The battle of Armageddon is at least 42 months after the heavens are dissolved and all the stars are now on earth as angels in their angel form. That is what Peter says compared to John in Revelation 6; Scripture interpreting Scripture. Not some dogmatic view of one or two verses, that all other Scriptures have to conform to. Peter has to be flexible, not like someone taking a single verse and making all other Scriptures conform to it. Nor does taking Revelation 20 as literal make us change 2 Peter 3 to say what it does not say. That is why no translation seems to agree on the condition of the earth. Peter did not say the earth was gone the same way the heavens were gone, nor did Peter give us as much detail like John does, so using Peter as your dogmatic point and denying All John has to say, seems like nonsense.
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