Demons (devils) are in fact - fallen angels. (According to the Bible)

BobRyan said:

Fallen Angels are no longer messengers of God.

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Agreed

Yes, that is what the original and true Christian Church has taught from the very beginning.

BobRyan said:

God created everything good.

Including sinless Angels - some of whom fell and were then called demons
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Demons are angels who fell:

"Satan and HIS angels" = "the dragon and HIS angels"

2 Peter 3
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly

Rev 12
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven crowns. 4 And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven

It is then a case of "Satan and HIS angels" vs the angels of heaven in Rev 12.

7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’”

Matt 12:23 “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

954. Beelzeboul -- Beelzebul, a name of Satan
... 2 Ki 1:2) -- Beelzebul, a title of Satan which stresses he is the prince
over demons ("demonic flies"). See also 4567 ("Satan").

Matt 10:8 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.

KJV devils: G1140 daimonion
NASB demons: G1140 daimonion

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Firstly, Angels are one category of God's created beings that serve Him. There are Principalities, Powers, Cherubs, denominations, Archangels and seraphim.

Angel means: Messenger.

Angels were created by God, as everything is. They have form and can appear to be human. They have abilities and powers and live in and out of our dimension as God allows.

On the other hand. Demons have no body. They are spirit only. They do not show up until the time of Noah's flood. They are continually searching for a body to posses. That is why the "legion" that Christ freed the man of, wanted to go into the pigs. They hunger, thirst and all the other appetites of the physical form that they had once.... as Nephilime.

They are the souls of the dead Nephilim that were hybrids of fallen angels and human women.

Genesis 6
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Notice how it is the "sons of God" and "daughters of humans"? Other places in the scriptures have the same term "sons of God" that refers to angels.

When these Nephilim died, their souls were not human. They cannot be covered by the blood of Christ as He came to die for Mankind, humans.. These disembodied souls are pure evil and have no place to go and no body to use to satisfy their appetites.

They look for humans to posses in order to do this.

So, no, Demons are not fallen angels. Fallen angels are from all the "angelic" ranks. One third of all of these heavenly soldiers and workers fell with Satan.

The demons.. are a whole different animal.

So lets take a look and see what happen to Satan and how he got kick out of Heaven.. lets go into Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Let’s skip down to verse 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Notice how happy the angels were when Satan was cast out. But look how they gave us a warning. "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." Woe is right. We have enemies running around and we can't even see them. ...a 3rd part of an innumerable amount of angels. These are spirit beings they never sleep or get tired, and they were here before the dinosaurs.

Now let’s read and allow the Lord to confirm Satan giving thrown out.

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:18-20)

Now lets take a look and see what Satan been doing since he been on earth. Lets go into Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Be strong in the word brothers and Sisters because its says in 1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Dan1988 said:

This a bit confusing, the Bible does say that the fallen angels (Sons of God) came into women impregnated them and the Nephilim (giants) were born. The Bible doesn't specify the method which the fallen Angels used to impregnate the women, but we know they can manifest themselves into physical realm so their constitution is not a barrier.
They may have even possessed the bodies of the husbands to impregnate them, whatever their method was we know that their offspring were not human. Some scholars say that the Demons we have in the world today are the spirits of the Nephilim, others say that they are the spirits of the fallen Angels which were cast out of heaven with Satan.
In either case they can be traced back to the fallen Angels. Many scholars say that the fallen Angels used gene manipulation technology, to create hybrid creatures and dinosaurs. They did this in an attempt to corrupt the seed of mankind and prevent the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ. This would explain why God wiped out the whole corrupted world, except for Noah who's line was not corrupted by these fallen Angels.

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Let's go into Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Notice Satan was single out here, because all that follow the Lord is called the Sons of God even the angels.

Let's take another look at the sons of God in Genesis 6: 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

So let's go and take a look at these sons of God that took wives of the daughter of wick men in Genesis. Let's go in Luke 3: 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, 25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, 26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda, Let's skip down for time sake...34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noah, which was the son of Lamech,
37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Notice cain was not mention here, and just like Satan, you are not a son of God working Evil. But Satan is on the clock his time is set.

Let's take a look at one thing in Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord. This is when men started being called the sons of God again and because they started to become one with the daughter of cain seed in those days, wickedness increase.

BobRyan said:

1. Demons are never called Nephilim in the Bible....

4. Angels do not have the feature/biology to have angel-children or angel families - much less become father to human children. See Matt 22.

29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, since you do not understand the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven

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Jesus said “you err, Knowing not the SCRIPTURES nor the Power of God”.

What Scripture says angels in heaven do not marry nor give in marriage, and what Scripture says that the resurrected saints will be like the angels in heaven, and companions with them, and with the Son and the Father?
The Book of Enoch, says so, which Jesus said they erred in not knowing.

Ye do err, BobRyan, in not knowing the Scripture that states that demons are evil spirits on earth, disembodied at the flood, who cannot ascend to heaven because they are unclean, and bastards; who crave bodies to control to do their evil deeds in, and to.
The only bastards in Scripture are the offspring of the fallen, formerly holy, watcher angels “sons of God”, and daughters of Adam.

Adam was created as Adam, “son of God”, and fell from that position when he ate the fruit that defiled his flesh forever, with no remedy to be “Adam, son of God” forever and get back to Paradise in that corrupted flesh. We are all born in the one Adam spirit and not sons of God in Adam. Jesus is God the Word, come in the flesh of a brand NEW Son of God creation body, prepared new in the womb of the virgin, so as to be our Kinsman Redeemer, by giving His never defiled human being flesh as our Atonement, so that He could cleanse us and make us a brand new body for our soul to dwell in forever, and make it out of our own DNA information elementally regenerated on the atomic level, and a new name for that adopted flesh body, which name is “Israel”, not Adam. Isaiah 49. God gave that name to Jacob, as a sign of the adoption to come, of the born again in Spirit believers and then the regenerated in flesh for the glory to indwell sons of God.

The demons are unclean spirits who are doomed forever, being bastards born of stolen Adam flesh with the remnant of their fallen watcher fathers spirit, and their fathers took the DNA of their wives born of Adam and spliced in their [fallen] spirit remnants [they “cut roots”, says Enoch]. Very evil! and the offspring born as bastards of those evil spirits and fallen Adam flesh cannot be redeemed.
The book of Enoch the prophet, the 7th from Adam tells it completely. Read chapters 14 and 15.
You can read it online here: Summa Scriptura: For many believers an undiscovered treasure trove of blessing!

I like the Charles version. It is Scripture, which means writing considered sacred writing, and is in the canon of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia -and always has been, ever since before those Jews in Ethiopia received the Gospel in the 1st century.

Bro.T said:

Let's go into Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Notice Satan was single out here, because all that follow the Lord is called the Sons of God even the angels.

Let's take another look at the sons of God in Genesis 6: 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

So let's go and take a look at these sons of God that took wives of the daughter of wick men in Genesis. Let's go in Luke 3: 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, 25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, 26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda, Let's skip down for time sake...34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noah, which was the son of Lamech,
37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Notice cain was not mention here, and just like Satan, you are not a son of God working Evil. But Satan is on the clock his time is set.

Let's take a look at one thing in Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord. This is when men started being called the sons of God again and because they started to become one with the daughter of cain seed in those days, wickedness increase.

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That's an interesting observation and well worth studying further, which I will do. I've heard many different sermons on Gen 6:1 but I haven't settled on any particular view yet. There seems to be many different ways to interpret this passage of scripture, I've heard convincing arguments from opposing views so I hope to study it in more depth soon. But I do thank you for giving me a lot to think about.

BobRyan said:

No scripture says any of that

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Scripture means writing. Look it up.
Bible means book or collection of books.

Canon is a man made list, not a Holy Ghost instruction list.
Canon is fluid across the centuries and is used as politics of power by men who use it to “rule over the laity -nicolations”, which Jesus hates -look it up; and the Churches of Christ down through the centuries since Christ Jesus established His Church on earth have never had consensus of agreement on what should be read by the laity, since Rome took charge of the minds and belief of men 3 centuries after Jesus established His One Church, which is not centered in Rome, but is located in Heaven, and is called Jerusalem above, the mother of us all.
When Jesus Christ rose from the dead and breathed into the disciples and apostles the breath of New Creation Life, He adopted them into His One Living Spirit -Christ Spirit, and that Seed in the born again in Christ believers makes an Adam seed person a born again adopted into the family of the Son of God members of His One Living Spirit, with the promise and Hope of the adoption body at the regeneration of it in the rapture and/or resurrection of it at the same time.
we are NOT sons of God in Adam since the fall of our firstborn father at his defilement, which makes the flesh unclean and unable to enter into Paradise. We are souls come into our being which is the Adam spirit, clothed with the Adam flesh of our kind and made male and female Adam persons written in the Book of Life to be sons of God from the beginning of our creation, when we were written in that book, and all our members written there, and even the hairs of our head (follicles) numbered there, and our days numbered there from the beginning of creation when we were created in the loins of the Adam father of us from the beginning.
Only by changing our garments -the unclean flesh for the regenerated flesh made incorruptible and changed at the resurrection of our body if we are in Christ, or the rapture of us at His coming in the air to get us who are born again in Christ are we made sons of God in our flesh. For now, if we are born again in Christ’s One Living Spirit, we are sons of God by adoption into that One Living Spirit. Adam is dead. Adam is not son of God since the fall. We are all Adam in spirit, for the spirit of Adam is our kind, and is one kind, one spirit, dead, and we are in defiled, corrupted Adam kind flesh and without hope of eternal life in Adam, which is why we must be born again into the New Man’s One Living Spirit.
Then we are called sons of God by adoption.


Israel had the name and the promise of the Hope that was to come, as signs. Israel is the sign nation for teaching about the Person and work of the LORD Jesus Christ and the Hope of Glory...The end of the Law is Christ...the goal of the Law is not reached by keeping the Law, but by receiving the Atonement made once for all, by the Redeemer/Kinsman.

Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father
8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Gal 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

IS 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Enoch is Writing/Scripture, considered sacred by Jesus Christ, who did not come to lay a new foundation already laid, beginning in Enoch, of His Person and Work, but who came to fulfill all that is written in Enoch the prophet’s writing and in Moses, right on through.

Jesus said to them:
Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
What Scriptures states that in heaven the angels no not marry nor give in marriage? -
Enoch wrote it and God said it to him to write it. Enoch 14, 15...read it. There it is.

Then, later in Enoch, we who are redeemed will be companions of the angels in heaven.

BobRyan said:

1. You did not quote anything from the Book of Enoch saying that Angels do not marry.
2. You did not quote anything from the book of Enoch saying that half-humans half-fallen angel beings turn into nephilim when they die.
3. You did not quote anything from the book of Enoch saying that half-humans half-fallen angel beings turn into demons when they die.
4. The book of Enoch was not part of the Hebrew Bible in Christ's day and still is not part of it to this very day.

Gen 6:4 also does not say that fallen angels married humans

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Read the book of Enoch. It was considered sacred writing by Jude, Jesus womb brother, Peter, Paul, John, and of Course, The LORD Jesus Christ, who has adopted Enoch and changed his garments into the incorruptible and made Enoch to rule with the holy Watchers in heaven...over earth.
Enoch chapter 15: Messianic Prophecy and the Book of Enoch
Charles edition,
15 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: "Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. 2And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: 'You should intercede for men, and not men for you: 3Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants as your sons? 4And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten children with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish. 5Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.

The Origin of Unclean Spirits

8"And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. 10As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling. 11And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. 12And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them." {Top}

BobRyan said:

Notice that there is no mention of dead Nephilim or demons or fallen angels in that text you quoted? It only exists in the statement you make about what you believe.

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Do you think that the angel/human hybrids are still alive?

BobRyan said:

That is a problem for a view that wants a Bible texts talking about "the souls of the dead Nephilim that were hybrids of fallen angels and human women"

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There is no problem. They were not "righteous" beings and would have died in the flood.

BobRyan said:

In many translations "Demons" and "Devils" are the way that same word in translated.

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That may be. But, angels are always angels and fallen angels are still angels. Not demons. Angels don't posses humans. Demons do.

BobRyan said:

Which means that Satan, the Devil, the Dragon, the Serpent in Rev 12 is the Devil that does have physical body parts not spirit-only. So the Bible does not claim that devils cannot have a physical body or else Satan could not be "the devil".

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Of course. All angels, fallen or true to God, have spiritual bodies that can be physical in this dimension.

BobRyan said:

And the Bible does use the same term for "demons" and "devils"

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That may be. However demons can be devils... They are evil incarnate and are up to no good. Angels are still angels... fallen or not.

BobRyan said:

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Gen 6:4 also does not say that fallen angels married humans

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Genesis 6:1,2 states that Adam multiplied on earth...daughters born were fair, Ben Elohim saw they were fair and took/laqach/married bath Adam
Ben Elohim -sons of God
Bath Adam -daughters of Adam.

Giants were born before the flood from the union of sons of God and daughters of Adam, and also after that, states Moses.
Those who did that before the flood were chained in Sheol below in the lowest level, as a warning to other Watchers to not do that, but as Jude, womb brother of Jesus states, the fornication the angels committed caused them to be chained in Sheol waiting for the time they would be cast into the Lake of Fire, as a warning to other angels just as the destruction of Sodom and Gomorroh was a warning to mankind to not do that fornication.
Angels fell after the flood, not heeding the warning, but they will suffer the consequences of their sins, and Adam persons have done the same wicked fornications after Sodom and Gomorrah were nuked to salt, down to this day, but they will suffer the eternal damnations warned of, even though they do not heed.

Goliath and his brothers were sons of Anak, a fallen watcher, they were of the remnant of the giants.
There were many giants in the land when David and his mighty men cleansed them all out.
There were the Emim which means “terrors” who were nephilim, giants.
There was Og of Bashan a giant.
The bulls of Bashan who surrounded Jesus when He hung on the cross, who mocked Him, were disembodied nephilim, related to Og of Bashan. Psalm 22:12 Psalm 22:13

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)

There were giants in Jericho as tall as cedar trees and who the spies said they were like grasshoppers in their sight.

Amo 2:9
“Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them,
Whose height was like the height of the cedars,
And he was as strong as the oaks;
Yet I destroyed his fruit above
And his roots beneath.

Numbers 13:33
“There we saw the giants and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

There was the half “el”, half lion creature who is seen in the book of 1 Ch 1:22
Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two “lion el אֲרִיאֵל” of Moab: ...
-Half lion, half “el” from a fallen son of God.
11:23
And he slew an Egyptian, a man (Isyh) of great stature,
five cubits high (18” to a cubit, so 7.5 ft tall, or and 24” royal cubit, 10 ft tall.
and in the Egyptian's hand was a spear like a weaver's beam; and he went down to him with a staff, and plucked the spear out of the Egyptian's hand, and slew him with his own spear.

friend of said:

Then where did the nephilim come from?

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Nephilim means giant and by to days standards Adam was a nephilim about 15 foot tall and these nephilim existed before the sons of God breed with the daughters of men.