Who is "National Israel"?

Guojing said:

Yes I certainly agree with you the new covenant is a future event, the 2nd coming of Christ for the nation Israel

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Guojing said:

So you ever tried to convince Keras of your wisdom too?

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Guojing said:

Yes I certainly agree with you the new covenant is a future event, the 2nd coming of Christ for the nation Israel

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keras said:

I DID say: the new Covenant will be between the Christian people and God. NOT the nation of Israel, currently occupying a small part of the holy Land.
I have showed you many times what their fate will be. Ezekiel 21:1-8, Amos 2:4-5, Isaiah 22:1-14, Romans 9:27. But you are fixated into the false idea of a general Jewish redemption.
I assume you are a Christian; read and understand what the Bible actually says.

We have discussed issues for several years now. BaBerean has the crazy notion that Jesus will burn up the world at His Return.

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mkgal1 said:

Since there are two covenants mentioned all throughout the New Testament - one specifically identified as the covenant made on Mt Sinai....the Mosaic Covenant - to say the second is future to us would mean we are still in the time of the Mosaic Covenant. How is that reconciled?

That's completely dismissing all that was prophesied and actually changed with Jesus's first advent and the end and disappearance of the Mosaic Covenant in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple religious system in 70 AD.

Galatians 4:24-26
This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.​

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jgr said:

Have you forgotten being debunked this soon?

Quoting from your dispenbible:

Matthew 26
28 for this is my unfulfilling blood of the unfulfilled new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to no remission of sins;

AKA "Keras' plain reading".

And yours.

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Guojing said:

Alright, we agree that the new covenant is not cut yet.

But we disagree who it will be cut with.

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Guojing said:

No, as I have said to you, the body of Christ is a mystery that no one from the ot knew about.

We gentiles are now in that body and we are saved now thru being in that body. No covenant required for that present salvation, old nor new.

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mkgal1 said:

Then what was Jesus saying to His disciples?

Matthew 26:27-29
27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant,(e) which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.”​

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keras said:

The new Covenant has nothing to do either with ethnic Israel, nor with mankind in general, but is only for the Spiritual believers; the true Overcomers, who are born again faithful Christian believers; the ones who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43

The Bible’s restoration prophesies do not relate to those who call themselves Jews, or to the citizens of the State of Israel, for they are a part of the world that Jesus spoke about in Revelation 2:20-23, John 15:6, Matthew 21:33-46

Bible teaching could not be clearer: it is we Christians who are the inheritors of God’s Promises to the Patriarchs, Galatians 3:26-29, and it cannot be that God will give His holy Land to anyone who rejects His Son and fails to obey the Commandments.

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Guojing said:

We gentiles are now in that body and we are saved now thru being in that body. No covenant required for that present salvation, old nor new.

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Guojing said:

National Israel must accept Jesus as their promised messiah before that new covenant can be executed with them, when Jesus returns for the nation.

Peter stated that in acts 3:19-21

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Guojing said:

I must have said to you a million times that the kjv used testament

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mkgal1 said:

Keep reading. Acts 3:23 states this:

23Everyone who does not listen to Him will be completely cut off from among his people.(g)’
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.......that wouldn't be a stated consequence if the expectation were for ALL what you are calling "National Israel" to accept Jesus.

The cutting off of the apostate Israelites is a repeated theme throughout the New Testament. Here's another instance:

Romans 11:19-20, 22-23
You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith.
Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. ​

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mkgal1 said:

So you don't believe this has anything to do with our relationship with Christ Jesus?

Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.​

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mkgal1 said:

So you don't believe this has anything to do with our relationship with Christ Jesus?

Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.​

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mkgal1 said:

So you don't believe this has anything to do with our relationship with Christ Jesus?

Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.​

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mkgal1 said:

So you don't believe this has anything to do with our relationship with Christ Jesus?

Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.​

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Guojing said:

yes the nation Rejected him but as Romans 11 stated, they will accept him once the fullness of the gentiles came in

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Guojing said:

God promise to their father Abraham will be fulfilled and the new covenant will be cut with them in the future

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mkgal1 said:

The "nation" didn't reject Him. How was Jesus born? It was through a faithful young Israelite named Mary. All the disciples were Israelites. The 3,000 believers added on Pentecost were from the House of Judah and House of Israel.

Only a remnant was promised to have been saved:

Romans 9:27
And concerning Israel, Isaiah the prophet cried out, “Though the people of Israel are as numerous as the sand of the seashore, only a remnant will be saved.​

That is fulfilled......through Christ. That promise was not *only* for them.

Genesis 12:2-3
I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who treat you with contempt. All the families on earth will be blessed through you.”

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,” meaning One, who is Christ.​

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Guojing said:

I repeat again, the body of Christ is separate from Israel.

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keras said:

Right; The body of Christ is the one and only people of God.
Those who call themselves Israel are just another godless nation.

The born again Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language are the 'nation', who will inherit God's promises to His people.
All the rest of the godless, especially the Jesus rejecting people, are destined for destruction. Isaiah 66:15-17, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Romans 9:22

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Guojing said:

When the nation repent

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jgr said:

That would be the entire human race, since the entire human race possesses Abraham's genes.

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