THE CHANGING OF GOD'S SABBATH TO SUNDAY WORSHIP?

SabbathBlessings · Dec 19, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
Well it sounds me like these quotes are saying that Christians worshiped on Sunday rather than Saturday, not because of a command from God, or a change of the Sabbath, but because that's the day the Church has always met together on for worship.

And that's true. Christians have, since apostolic times, gathered together on the first day of the week, two thousand years of Christian history--including the New Testament--shows us this.

We don't gather together on the Lord's Day because there is a divine command to do so, rather we do so voluntarily and freely out of reverence to Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

This quote seems pretty clear:

Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?

A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.

Q. Give some examples of both?

A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...

and

—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer
Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

and

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

There are a lot of similar quotes.

God made pretty clear which day is his Holy day from creation Genesis 2:3 and repeated in the commandments Exodus 20:8-11 and confirmed by Jesus Mark 2:27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

The question is should we follow man or Christ?

SabbathBlessings · Dec 19, 2020

nolidad said:
There is no reference to anyone keeping Sabbath until God told Moses to do so!

Genesis 2
King James Version

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Yes He blessed it and set it apart, but that does not mean He called for it to be observed. that is forcing an interpretation into the text where one does not exist.

You just quoted it, all you have to do is read what you wrote (And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it). He did not bless or make Holy the first day, He worked.

And than there is this:

Exodus 16:22 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 23 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’

So the commandment was given before God spoke and wrote them with His hand in Exodus 20.

God bless.

Studyman · Dec 19, 2020

nolidad said:
There is no reference to anyone keeping Sabbath until God told Moses to do so!

Genesis 2
King James Version

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Yes He blessed it and set it apart, but that does not mean He called for it to be observed. that is forcing an interpretation into the text where one does not exist.

Abraham is said to have obeyed Gods Laws, Statutes, Judgments, and Commandments of God. To say God’s Laws, statutes, judgments and Commandments of God didn’t include His Sabbath or Love thy neighbor or don’t commit adultery is forcing into the text something that doesn’t exist.

ViaCrucis · Dec 19, 2020

imge said:
This quote seems pretty clear:

Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?

A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.

Q. Give some examples of both?

A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...

and

—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer
Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

and

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

There are a lot of similar quotes.

God made pretty clear which day is his Holy day from creation Genesis 2:3 and repeated in the commandments Exodus 20:8-11 and confirmed by Jesus Mark 2:27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

The question is should we follow man or Christ?

We follow Christ, which is why we celebrate the 8th day, the day of His glorious resurrection, the new day of creation in which we have been born again and made alive to God. The day which God has peeled back the darkness, and shown forth His light, and has made us partakers of Himself forever and ever by His Son.

If you want to observe the Jewish Sabbath, you are entirely free to do so.

You are not free to deny us our freedom in Christ to honor and worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

-CryptoLutheran

LoveGodsWord · Dec 19, 2020

fhansen said:
Yes, by their fruits, the offspring of the love of God and neighbor, shall we be known-and judged. That love is the intended fruit of faith BTW. But I digress. You're believing man: yourself, your interpretation and understanding. The Pharisees and teachers of the Law had the Word of God as well, and were likewise sure of themselves and yet failed to understand it in critical ways. So now some guy comes along 1500 or 1850 or 2020 years later and picks up the bible, apart from the church that assembled the new testament canon and that has a historical legacy dating back to the beginning, and this fellow just knows everything even as he may well disagree with other equally sincere folks strictly relying on the same bible for their authority.

No one loves God according to the scriptures by breaking God's commandments *John 14:15; John 15:10; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 22:36-40; 1 John 5:4; 1 John 3:5-9; Romans 8:1-4.

nolidad · Dec 19, 2020

Studyman said:
Abraham is said to have obeyed Gods Laws, Statutes, Judgments, and Commandments of God. To say God’s Laws, statutes, judgments and Commandments of God didn’t include His Sabbath or Love thy neighbor or don’t commit adultery is forcing into the text something that doesn’t exist.

Okay- show us where Abraham obeyed the ten commandments! Abraham had sex with Sarahs maid. doesn't that count as adultery? Abraham gave Sarah away to a pharoah. Isn't that a sin?

Just show form Scripture that prior to the commandment given to Moses- anyone observed the Sabbath.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 19, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
We follow Christ, which is why we celebrate the 8th day, the day of His glorious resurrection, the new day of creation in which we have been born again and made alive to God. The day which God has peeled back the darkness, and shown forth His light, and has made us partakers of Himself forever and ever by His Son.

If you want to observe the Jewish Sabbath, you are entirely free to do so.

You are not free to deny us our freedom in Christ to honor and worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

-CryptoLutheran

Good luck trying to find scripture for that one. There is no such thing as a "Jewish Sabbath" according to the scriptures. JESUS says, that the Sabbath was made for man in Mark 2:27 and JESUS was the creator and Lord of it according to Mark 2:27; John 1:1-5. There was No JEW and No ISRAEL when God made the Sabbath for all mankind, only Adam and Eve *Genesis 2:1-3; Genesis 1:26-30. You have no scripture to support your tradition now dear friend do you. God's Sabbath commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the new covenant scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we knowingly break anyone of them according to James we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-12.

Something to pray about.

SabbathBlessings · Dec 19, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
We follow Christ, which is why we celebrate the 8th day, the day of His glorious resurrection, the new day of creation in which we have been born again and made alive to God. The day which God has peeled back the darkness, and shown forth His light, and has made us partakers of Himself forever and ever by His Son.

If you want to observe the Jewish Sabbath, you are entirely free to do so.

You are not free to deny us our freedom in Christ to honor and worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

-CryptoLutheran

Can you please provide any scripture that supports that God said to worship Him on the first day of the week? Jesus rested even in His death on Sabbath. There is nothing that tells us in the Bible to worship Him on the first day. Yet, God commanded us to keep His seventh day a Holy day from creation Genesis 2:3 and repeated in 4th commandment Exodus 20:8-1.

Even Mary kept the Sabbath and would not visit Jesus grave according to the commandment
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Nothing about the first day being a Holy day. If God was going to change His Holy day from the seventh day Saturday to the first day Sunday we would have clear scripture saying so.

Instead we have scripture saying we will be worshipping Him in the new Earth on Sabbath Isaiah 66:23 and in Daniel a prediction which came true about changing the Sabbath day Daniel 7:25.

God bless

fhansen · Dec 19, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
No one loves God according to the scriptures by breaking God's commandments *John 14:15; John 15:10; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 22:36-40; 1 John 5:4; 1 John 3:5-9; Romans 8:1-4.

True enough. And we believe that the command regarding Sabbath is fulfilled in spirit by the Christian practice of observing it on the Lord's Day.

ViaCrucis · Dec 19, 2020

imge said:
This quote seems pretty clear:

Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?

A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.

Q. Give some examples of both?

A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...

and

—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer
Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

and

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

There are a lot of similar quotes.

God made pretty clear which day is his Holy day from creation Genesis 2:3 and repeated in the commandments Exodus 20:8-11 and confirmed by Jesus Mark 2:27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

The question is should we follow man or Christ?

What the quote you provided demonstrates is a Catholic apologetic which misunderstands the historic Protestant idea of Sola Scriptura, by trying to insist that if Protestants really were "Sola Scriptura" they wouldn't embrace traditional things. It's an argument against a warped misunderstanding of using Scripture as the Regula Fidei.

It's not fundamentally different than pointing out that if one insists on "Bible onlyism" then they, ironically, are left without a Bible; since the Biblical Canon is a product of Church tradition. This is true, and it's why "Bible onlyism" is fundamentally flawed; but it isn't an argument against Sola Scriptura, since Sola Scriptura is not (nor has it ever been) "Bible onlyism".

Sola Scriptura speaks of the primacy of the Scriptures, the role of Scripture as the Regula Fidei or Rule of Faith, or Norma Normans, the Ruling Rule. Scripture is the backbone and fountain of our faith.

But the point of Sola Scriptura isn't to say "The Bible and only the Bible", since that's silly. We confess the Creeds, we embrace the historic and catholic faith of the Church, the very thing which has given us the Canon of Scripture.

So providing such an apologetic does not provide you with a valid defense of Sabbatarianism, but rather demonstrates a common problem in Catholic anti-Protestant apologetics by misunderstanding the historic Protestant notion of Sola Scriptura, or by treating certain extreme and hyperbolic neo-Protestant ideas as though they were some universal trait among various Protestant traditions.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis · Dec 19, 2020

imge said:
Can you please provide any scripture that supports that God said to worship Him on the first day of the week?

I'm pretty sure I said that there is no command from God to worship Him on the first day of the week.

Jesus rested even in His death on Sabbath. There is nothing that tells us in the Bible to worship Him on the first day. Yet, God commanded us to keep His seventh day a Holy day from creation Genesis 2:3 and repeated in 4th commandment Exodus 20:8-1.

Even Mary kept the Sabbath and would not visit Jesus grave according to the commandment
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Nothing about the first day being a Holy day. If God was going to change His Holy day from the seventh day Saturday to the first day Sunday we would have clear scripture saying so.

Instead we have scripture saying we will be worshipping Him in the new Earth on Sabbath Isaiah 66:23 and in Daniel a prediction which came true about changing the Sabbath day Daniel 7:25.

God bless

Straw man.

-CryptoLutheran

SabbathBlessings · Dec 19, 2020

fhansen said:
True enough. And we believe that the command regarding Sabbath is fulfilled in spirit by the Christian practice of observing it on the Lord's Day.

I think we should let Jesus define what is the Lord's Day, which He did.

Mathew 12:18 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.

The Lords Sabbath has always been and will always be the seventh day. Exodus 20:8-11

Our Creator is the only one who has the authority to decide the day He wants us to keep Holy, rest and remember every week. We give glory to Him, not to man. We glorify Him when we keep His commandments all ten.

HARK! · Dec 19, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
Well it sounds me like these quotes are saying that Christians worshiped on Sunday rather than Saturday, not because of a command from God, or a change of the Sabbath, but because that's the day the Church has always met together on for worship.

Hmmm...That's a very interesting perspective.

Martin J. Scott- Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927) "Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday .... Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday."

Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. "Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man."2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. "It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter."Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday- for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day'? I answer no!" Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons"

"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947- "To Tell You the Truth." "For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."

Episcopalian- Bishop Seymour, -Why We Keep Sunday. "We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."

ViaCrucis · Dec 19, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Good luck trying to find scripture for that one.

So is your argument here that if Scripture does not expressly command something, then it is not permissible?

-CryptoLutheran

SabbathBlessings · Dec 19, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
I'm pretty sure I said that there is no command from God to worship Him on the first day of the week.

Straw man.

-CryptoLutheran

Quotes from the Bible my friend.

So if there is no command to worship Him on Sunday, the first day, why would you not want to obey the Sabbath, that our Lord has commanded us according to scripture Exodus 20:8-11

LoveGodsWord · Dec 19, 2020

nolidad said:
Okay- show us where Abraham obeyed the ten commandments! Abraham had sex with Sarahs maid. doesn't that count as adultery? Abraham gave Sarah away to a pharoah. Isn't that a sin?

Just show form Scripture that prior to the commandment given to Moses- anyone observed the Sabbath.

The scriptures do not say Abraham was not a sinner they say all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God *Romans 3:23. It is written that Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness *Romans 4:3; Galatians 3:6; James 2:23 because of this God said Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws - Genesis 26:5. When he sinned he sought God's forgiveness as we do through sin offerings that pointed to the coming Messiah *Genesis 22:8 to receive God's forgiveness *1 John 1:9. He looked forward in faith to the coming of JESUS and was saved by faith *Romans 4:3. We look backwards to JESUS who has come and we both are saved by God's Grace through faith in believing and following Gods' Word. If Abraham knew what sin was because he knew God's law *Genesis 26:5; Romans 3:20. The above is evidence in itself that Gods' people knew Gods Torah. The Hebrew word used for law in Genesis 26:5 is H8451; תּורה תּרה Torah which means a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law. Do you believe the words of JESUS dear friend? JESUS says, that the Sabbath was made for man in Mark 2:27 and JESUS was the creator and Lord of it according to Mark 2:27; John 1:1-5. There was No JEW and No ISRAEL when God made the Sabbath for all mankind, only Adam and Eve *Genesis 2:1-3; Genesis 1:26-30. You have no scripture to support your tradition now dear friend do you. Does this now worry you? It should. God's Sabbath commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the new covenant scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we knowingly break anyone of them according to James we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-12.

ViaCrucis · Dec 19, 2020

HARK! said:
Hmmm...That's a very interesting perspective.

Martin J. Scott- Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927) "Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday .... Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday."

No longer worshiping on the Sabbath, but on the Lord's Day. Not a change of the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day.

Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. "Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man."2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. "It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

This guy is mistaken. The Sabbath never changed from Saturday to Sunday. What did happen was that Christians met primarily for worship on the Lord's Day, rather than the Jewish Sabbath.

James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter."Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday- for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day'? I answer no!" Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons"

See my first statement. Yes, the Church made its primary day of worship the Lord's Day, rather than the Sabbath. But, again, no change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

Without further context, I don't know if this is an erroneous statement or simply in keeping with general Christian teaching--that we have primarily worshiped on the Lord's Day rather than the Jewish Sabbath.

Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947- "To Tell You the Truth." "For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."

I don't think the gathering for worship on the first day of the week has anything to do with a specific revelation, so I'd need more insight into what is meant by this. But if all it means is that, by the general practice of the Christian Church since the Apostles we have always gathered on the Lord's Day, then yes. We have done this, not because of a command to do so, but because in Christ we have the freedom to worship on any day, and the day we have all voluntarily chosen is the day on which Christ our God rose from the dead.

Episcopalian- Bishop Seymour, -Why We Keep Sunday. "We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."

Yes. But again, note that it's not that the Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday. It's that the day of worship changed in Christianity, from the Sabbath to the Lord's Day.

-CryptoLutheran

LoveGodsWord · Dec 19, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
So is your argument here that if Scripture does not expressly command something, then it is not permissible?

-CryptoLutheran

Not really dear friend. I have only shared Gods' Word with you and Gods Word is not mine but God's and says that if God tells us to do something and we choose not to believe and follow what God says it is sin and sin will keep all those who practice it out of God's Kingdom according to the scriptures in Hebrews 10:26-31. The man-made teaching and tradition of Sunday worship given to us from the same people that bring us Christmas and Easter have their origins from the pagan traditions of sun-worship. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and his Word to break God's Sabbath commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20. God knows many do this out of ignorance and in times and ignorance he winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow it according to Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and James 4:17. If we choose to ignore God's Word according to the scriptures there is no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come *Hebrews 10:26-31. God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 14:8-12; Revelation 18:1-5. The hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God's sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him, those who do not hear are not his sheep according to John 10:26-27

SabbathBlessings · Dec 19, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
No longer worshiping on the Sabbath, but on the Lord's Day. Not a change of the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day.

This guy is mistaken. The Sabbath never changed from Saturday to Sunday. What did happen was that Christians met primarily for worship on the Lord's Day, rather than the Jewish Sabbath.

See my first statement. Yes, the Church made its primary day of worship the Lord's Day, rather than the Sabbath. But, again, no change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

Without further context, I don't know if this is an erroneous statement or simply in keeping with general Christian teaching--that we have primarily worshiped on the Lord's Day rather than the Jewish Sabbath.

I don't think the gathering for worship on the first day of the week has anything to do with a specific revelation, so I'd need more insight into what is meant by this. But if all it means is that, by the general practice of the Christian Church since the Apostles we have always gathered on the Lord's Day, then yes. We have done this, not because of a command to do so, but because in Christ we have the freedom to worship on any day, and the day we have all voluntarily chosen is the day on which Christ our God rose from the dead.

Yes. But again, note that it's not that the Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday. It's that the day of worship changed in Christianity, from the Sabbath to the Lord's Day.

-CryptoLutheran

The Lords day is Sabbath (Saturday). Can you show me scripture where the Lords day is Sunday?
Matthew 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

ViaCrucis · Dec 19, 2020

imge said:
Quotes from the Bible my friend.

That doesn't change the fact that you are engaging in a straw man argument. The devil quoted Scripture, but that didn't make what he had to say any better.

So if there is no command to worship Him on Sunday, the first day, why would you not want to obey the Sabbath, that our Lord has commanded us according to scripture Exodus 20:8-11

For the same reason that I don't worry about wearing mixed fabrics, eating pork, or getting ritually unclean if I accidentally have a naughty dream.

It doesn't have any relevance to me.

-CryptoLutheran

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