THE CHANGING OF GOD'S SABBATH TO SUNDAY WORSHIP?

alan650 · Dec 17, 2020

BobRyan said:
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God"
where
"The first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 in that still valid unit-of-ten is "Honor your father and mother" according to Paul in Eph 6 - and is still applicable to all mankind.

Even in the New Testament "sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4

which means that even in the New Testament - it is a sin to take God's name in vain.

James 2: . 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

We will never be justified by law keeping though and the New Testament is very clear on how the law brings us to an awareness of our sin but it can never save us. The whole point of Jesus Christ dying on the cross and ushering in the new covenant was to fulfill every single law and say "It is done" as he sat next to God in heaven.

gotquestions.org explains another aspect way better than I could of what I wanted to bring up myself so I will just copy and paste it here:

With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly "laboring" to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily. Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices. Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12). Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.

Law is still of value in a Christian's life when we bring our daily prayers to God and do our duty of examining any wrong way in ourselves. The journey of a Christian is a daily act of being humble before the Lord. However, the law itself was NEVER intended to be the way of salvation!

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh.

Every single dot of the law was fulfilled in the sacrifice and cleansing blood of Jesus Christ. Our entire spiritual success over any sin in life is predicated on how much we immerse ourselves in the Holy Spirit and accept the sacrifice of Christ in our lives. JESUS CHRIST FULFILLS THE SABBATH.

NBB · Dec 17, 2020

BobRyan said:
Same rule in place before the cross.

Matt 7 "Judge not that you be not judged".

That rule did not condemn eating, or drinking, or the idea of honoring parents, or the Ten Commandments before the cross ... and does not condemn God's Ten commandments after the cross.

They are the Law where "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 is still "honor your father and mother" and still applicable to mankind after the cross as it was before the cross.

It is included in the moral law of God written on heart and mind in the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-34.

No it says that we can eat was is "sanctified by the word of God" 1 Tim 4:5. The gospel is not about making it healthy to eat rats, cats, dogs, bats, mice etc.

In Col 2 -- Paul is not condemning scripture... he is condemning making stuff up.

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

Col 2: 20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value

Paul is not declaring the Word of God to be "of no value" but rather "commandments of men"

By contrast God's Word says that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

In the new testament we aren't told to keep the sabath, actually what we are told in several parts is that we don't need to keep it as a commandment.
I think if this was a commandment Paul or someone would have told us, what we get? that who observe days, do it convinced, and who do not also convinced, also nobody judge you about those things that were in the law. etc.

BobRyan · Dec 17, 2020

alan650 said:
We will never be justified by law keeping though

True -- but that is not an argument for taking God's name in vain.
And it is not an argument for tossing out God's Commandments.

Under the New Covenant Heb 8:6-12 the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers Jer 31:31-34 is "written on heart and mind"

we are told to "Keep the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
And we are told that those commandments include the unit of Ten where "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 is the 5th commandment.
And we are told that to break one of the commandments is to break them all James 2
And we have the Sabbath commandment quoted from at least 3 times.
And we have the Christian Jews and Gentiles meeting "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 to hear more gospel preaching.
And we are told that for all eternity after the cross - in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

BobRyan · Dec 17, 2020

alan650 said:
Law is still of value in a Christian's life when we bring our daily prayers to God and do our duty of examining any wrong way in ourselves.

Indeed and the Law of God defines that which is wrong vs right according to the New Testament "sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 so then as John says "sin not" 1 John 2:1.

Where that Law includes the unit of Ten having as the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 -- the fifth commandment

BobRyan · Dec 17, 2020

NBB said:
I think if this was a commandment Paul or someone would have told us, .

indeed. He says "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

He never says "keep the commandments of God if you feel like it"

NBB · Dec 17, 2020

BobRyan said:
True -- but that is not an argument for taking God's name in vain.
And it is not an argument for tossing out God's Commandments.

Under the New Covenant Heb 8:6-12 the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers Jer 31:31-34 is "written on heart and mind"

we are told to "Keep the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
And we are told that those commandments include the unit of Ten where "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 is the 5th commandment.
And we are told that to break one of the commandments is to break them all James 2
And we have the Sabbath commandment quoted from at least 3 times.
And we have the Christian Jews and Gentiles meeting "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 to hear more gospel preaching.
And we are told that for all eternity after the cross - in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

The letters etc, failed horribly if this was a commandment that failing to do can send people to hell, or break our communion with God, What we get? reading plain text, that we don't need to do it at all, also the council of jerusalem was it, says to place no burden about the law other than those things that were said. But you can't say murdering now is ok because the council didn't mentioned it, you can't.

BobRyan · Dec 17, 2020

alan650 said:
Every single dot of the law was fulfilled in the sacrifice and cleansing blood of Jesus Christ. .

I assume you agree that Jesus did not take God's name in vain and did honor His father and mother. The act of doing so - did not abolish the commandments of God.

Palmfever · Dec 17, 2020

This can has been kicked around the field repeatedly.

Galatians, 3:19. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

23. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

5:14 For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
1 John, 4: If a man say, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar: for he that loves not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
16. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
Mark, 2:23 And it happened that He was passing through the grain fields on the Sabbath, and His disciples began to make their way along while picking the heads of grain. The Pharisees were saying to Him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry; how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests, and he also gave it to those who were with him?” Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. “So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
I'm comfortable with any day. It could be Thursday. What was Christ's version of the commandments? Love God. Love your neighbor. God knows if we love Him, we place our faith in Him. It is by faith we are saved.

In Christ

BobRyan · Dec 17, 2020

alan650 said:
We will never be justified by law keeping though

True -- but that is not an argument for taking God's name in vain.
And it is not an argument for tossing out God's Commandments.

Under the New Covenant Heb 8:6-12 the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers Jer 31:31-34 is "written on heart and mind"

we are told to "Keep the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
And we are told that those commandments include the unit of Ten where "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 is the 5th commandment.
And we are told that to break one of the commandments is to break them all James 2
And we have the Sabbath commandment quoted from at least 3 times.
And we have the Christian Jews and Gentiles meeting "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 to hear more gospel preaching.
And we are told that for all eternity after the cross - in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

NBB said:
The letters etc, failed horribly if this was a commandment that failing to do can send people to hell, or break our communion with God,

Romans 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law none of mankind will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:31
31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Rom 6
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace? Far from it! 16 Do you not know that the one to whom you present yourselves as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of that same one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were entrusted, 18 and after being freed from sin, you became slaves to righteousness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in relation to righteousness. 21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

BobRyan · Dec 17, 2020

Palmfever said:
This can has been kicked around the field repeatedly.

Interesting thought.

Galatians, 3:19. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

23. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

For the lost person - the law condemns Rom 3:19-20. For the saved person it is written on the heart under the New Covenant.

"What matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

For the saints - under the New Covenant - the Law of God is written on the heart. So then it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain -- even for Christians

Paul says to Christians "do not be deceived".

1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather suffer the wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves do wrong and defraud. And this to your brothers and sisters!
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Gal 5:14 For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

Is not a command saying "do not take God's name in vain" but we know that still applies to Christians
"Love your neighbor as yourself" is a quote of Lev 19:18 but does not delete Ex 20:12 "Honor your father and mother" Eph 6:1-2 which in that still-valid unit-of-ten is the "first commandment with a promise".

BobRyan · Dec 17, 2020

Palmfever said:
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I'm comfortable with any day. It could be Thursday. What was Christ's version of the commandments? Love God. Love your neighbor. God knows if we love Him, we place our faith in Him. It is by faith we are saved.

In Christ

"IF you Love Me - KEEP my commandments" John 14:15

"This IS the LOVE of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;"1 John 2:3-4

Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"
Matt 22 "on these two commandments DEPEND ALL the Law and the prophets"

Does not say "these two commandments DELETE all the Law and the prophets"

Matt 19 - Jesus says if you want to live "KEEP the Commandments"... and then Jesus is asked "which ones" --

He does not mention "Love God with all your heart" in his answer... nor does He mention "do not take God's name in vain" ... rather He says this

Matt 19:18-19
And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder; Ex 20
You shall not commit adultery; Ex 20
You shall not steal; Ex 20
You shall not give false testimony; Ex 20
19 Honor your father and mother; Ex 20
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev 19:18

Dale · Dec 17, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Dale welcome and nice to see you .

Actually the disciples after the death and resurrection of JESUS met everyday of the week according to the scriptures *Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47. This of course does not make every day of the week a holy day of rest and neither does it abolish God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that according to the new covenant scriptures give us the knowledge of Good and Evil; Sin and Righteousness *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. There is no scripture in God's Word that says Gods 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a man-made teaching and tradition handed down from the Roman Catholic Church that has led many to break God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. JESUS warns us about this in Matthew 15:3-9. I believe God's people are in every church living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them and God knows many people break His commandments out of ignorance. According to the scriptures in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31. If we turn away from hearing God's Word when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word according to the scriptures there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come *Hebrews 10:26-31. God is calling his people out where ever they may be back to the pure Word of God *John 10:16; Revelation 18:1-5 as God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24

God bless

LGW, in one brief post you refer to "God's 4th commandment" three times. The Ten Commandments are listed in Exodus 20 and again in Deuteronomy 5. There are no numbers in either listing. Protestants and Catholics divide the Commandments in different places and number them differently. The Commandments do not have numbers in Exodus 20 or in Deuteronomy 5. The term "4th commandment" or "Fourth Commandment" is a human term. The Bible never uses it.

It is true that Ellen White, the founder of the Seventh Day Adventists, uses the phrase "fourth commandment" dozens of times in her writing. EW is inaccurate in this phrase as she is in many other things.

Do you understand that the sabbath commandment is labor law? The point is to give everyone a day off. There isn't much point in discussing this if you don't get that basic point.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 17, 2020

Dale said:
LGW, in one brief post you refer to "God's 4th commandment" three times. The Ten Commandments are listed in Exodus 20 and again in Deuteronomy 5. There are no numbers in either listing. Protestants and Catholics divide the Commandments in different places and number them differently. The Commandments do not have numbers in Exodus 20 or in Deuteronomy 5. The term "4th commandment" or "Fourth Commandment" is a human term. The Bible never uses it.

It is true that Ellen White, the founder of the Seventh Day Adventists, uses the phrase "fourth commandment" dozens of times in her writing. EW is inaccurate in this phrase as she is in many other things.

Do you understand that the sabbath commandment is labor law? The point is to give everyone a day off. There isn't much point in discussing this if you don't get that basic point.

Hello Dale,

So are you a protestant or a Catholic? What was it that you did not understand with my term using 4th commandment which most protestants understand as Gods' seventh day Sabbath commandment? If you are a Protestant using a protestant bible I am sure you would understand what God's 4th commandment is or am I mistaken, are you really Catholic with a protestant name tag?

I posted my post and scriptures to you thinking you were a Protestant but I see your trying to avoid addressing my post to you with Catholic arguments about numbering of the 10 commandments which is a distraction in order not to respond to the post and scriptures in the post you are quoting from that disagrees with your traditions.

If you believe Gods Word let's talk more, but if you wish to simply make distractions in order to justify a Catholic, man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break the commandments of God, then you are correct there is not much point in discussing this topic with you because we will never come to an agreement. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. We all answer only to God come judgement day for the Words of God we accept or reject *John 12:47-48.

For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Matthew 15:3-9.

Lets talk again when you wish to have a friendly discussion around the scriptures. Until then lets' agree to disagree as there is no scripture that says God's Sabbath commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a man-made teaching and tradition from the same people and Spirit that brought us Christmas and Easter and veneration of the dead Saints, indulgences, etc etc... Does this not worry you Dale? It should.

Something to pray about.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 17, 2020

fhansen said:
Not really-just another biblical interpreter with a private opinion. I know, its nice to try to set oneself apart-and that's a primary reason we have so many centuries-after-the-fact opinions, each acting as an infallible voice for all practical purposes, and none necessarily agreeing with each other over the meaning of Scripture incidentally. Like I said, just as Jesus didn't dance to anyone else's tune, neither does His church. The legalistic zealots of His day also accused Him of breaking the Sabbath law, but in reality He just didn't obey their particular interpretation. And regarding oaths He seemed to have virtually dismissed the law on this matter. But thank you anyway.

Not really dear friend. All that has been shared with you is God's Word and Gods' Word is not my words but God's. In response you deny Gods' Word with your words that are not God's Word but your words so your argument is with God not me. Of course you are free to believe as you wish as we all will answer to God come judgement day for the Word of God we accept or reject so I do not judge you according to the scriptures in John 12:47-48. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29 over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS (not me) says those who follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God are not following God in Matthew 15:3-9. So the question we should be asking ourselves is who do we believe and follow; God or man? - By their fruits you shall know them *1 John 2:3-4

Kilk1 · Dec 17, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
The purpose of God’s eternal law (10 commandments) in both the old and new covenants are to give us the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. They do not make anyone perfect. God’s eternal law shows us that we are all sinners in need of a savior and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. If we have repented from our sins and confessed them to Jesus he is faithful and just to forgive us from our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness * Acts 2:38; 3:19; 8:22; Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Mark 1:15; 6:2; Luke 13:3-5; Proverbs 28:9-13; Romans 6:1-23; 1 John 1:9; Proverbs 28:9-13 and are no longer “UNDER THE LAW” condemned before God of breaking the law {sin} *Romans 8:1-4. However, if we are continuing in known unrepentant sin then we are still “UNDER THE LAW” condemned before God of sin *Romans 3:19-20 and need to seek him in repentance, confession for your sins and faith in his WORD *John 3:15-21

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply! I would say that the Ten Commandments aren't God's eternal law but rather are part of the law (of Moses). God's people are no longer under the law according to Romans 7:1-6. Would you agree that God's people are no longer under the law discussed in Romans 7?

LoveGodsWord · Dec 17, 2020

Kilk1 said:
Thanks for the reply! I would say that the Ten Commandments aren't God's eternal law but rather are part of the law (of Moses). God's people are no longer under the law according to Romans 7:1-6. Would you agree that God's people are no longer under the law discussed in Romans 7?

Your welcome Kilk. Not really, God's eternal law (10 commandments) as opposed to the Mosaic book of the law *Exodus 24:7 had two different authors. God was the author and originator of the 10 commandments which the scriptures tell us are the work of God alone, written on two tables of stone with Gods own finger *Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18. Their purpose as posted earlier was to give us the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. They do not make anyone perfect. God’s eternal law shows us that we are all sinners in need of a savior and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. If we have repented from our sins and confessed them to Jesus he is faithful and just to forgive us from our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness * Acts 2:38; 3:19; 8:22; Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Mark 1:15; 6:2; Luke 13:3-5; Proverbs 28:9-13; Romans 6:1-23; 1 John 1:9; Proverbs 28:9-13 and are no longer “UNDER THE LAW” condemned before God of breaking the law {sin} *Romans 8:1-4. However, if we are continuing in known unrepentant sin then we are still “UNDER THE LAW” condemned before God of sin *Romans 3:19-20 and need to seek him in repentance, confession for your sins and faith in his WORD *John 3:15-21. I think I have made my position pretty clear here don't you think? The Mosaic book of the law are shadow laws. Gods 10 commandments are the eternal laws of love and how we express our love to God and man in those who have been born again to walk in God's Spirit to love. God is love and everyone who loves is born of God and is why JESUS says to us if you love me keep my commandments. Unless we are born again in the Spirit to love we cannot see the kingdom of heaven.

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 18, 2020

NBB said:
Its talking about days, is not sabbath keeping considering a day or not? WHAT?

So is Passover, Yom Kippur and all the other Jewish holy days... for the Jewish converts to Christianity, keeping these feast days was culturally ingrained in them for generations. For them it was acceptable to keep the old with the new as both were forms pf worship to the One true God. No one was to judge them for it... the text doesn't specify which feast day. Not a compelling position in light of the abundance of scriptural support for the continued keeping of all of God's 10 Commandments.

We must be careful however, to not treat the dutiful "keeping" of any of His tenets as being true worship. It must be the natural outpouring from a heart full of surrender and obedience... no matter the cost. Eternity is worth it.

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 18, 2020

Kilk1 said:
Thanks for the reply! I would say that the Ten Commandments aren't God's eternal law but rather are part of the law (of Moses). God's people are no longer under the law according to Romans 7:1-6. Would you agree that God's people are no longer under the law discussed in Romans 7?

Hi Kilk... consider that the Sabbath was created, sanctified and hallowed before sin entered the world. The cross was the remedy for the sin problem for mankind so whatever was nailed to it, law wise, would be what was associated with dealing with sin... things like animal sacrifice, feast days, etc... hope this helps.

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 18, 2020

alan650 said:
We will never be justified by law keeping though and the New Testament is very clear on how the law brings us to an awareness of our sin but it can never save us. The whole point of Jesus Christ dying on the cross and ushering in the new covenant was to fulfill every single law and say "It is done" as he sat next to God in heaven.

gotquestions.org explains another aspect way better than I could of what I wanted to bring up myself so I will just copy and paste it here:

With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly "laboring" to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily. Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices. Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12). Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.

Law is still of value in a Christian's life when we bring our daily prayers to God and do our duty of examining any wrong way in ourselves. The journey of a Christian is a daily act of being humble before the Lord. However, the law itself was NEVER intended to be the way of salvation!

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh.

Every single dot of the law was fulfilled in the sacrifice and cleansing blood of Jesus Christ. Our entire spiritual success over any sin in life is predicated on how much we immerse ourselves in the Holy Spirit and accept the sacrifice of Christ in our lives. JESUS CHRIST FULFILLS THE SABBATH.

Hi Alan... I just replied to Kilk1 in the thread above concerning the same issue with this premise...that is, that the Sabbath was created, hallowed and sanctified before the sin problem entered the world. Not connected in any way to the cross...

alan650 · Dec 18, 2020

BobRyan said:
I assume you agree that Jesus did not take God's name in vain and did honor His father and mother. The act of doing so - did not abolish the commandments of God.

Of course we shouldn't take the Lord's name in vain. I never ever said that we are to continue in sin. Are you failing to see how faith in Christ is what fulfills the law? That is the very cornerstone of our faith. God is not satisfied with a single soul who *claims* to meet the standards of his perfect law apart from anything but faith in Christ. We can only honor God, our parents, fulfill the righteousness God calls for us to, overcome sin, and every standard if we are truly placing our faith in the complete work of Christ when he died for us. Jesus fulfills every part of the law. The NEW covenant is much more glorious than the OLD covenant under Moses! The new covenant of the Spirit is the only way! I repeat. Jesus Christ meets every requirement of the law.

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