LDS Mountain Meadows Massacre: John D. Lee was a Scapegoat!

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Brodie published her book in 1945 and Jefferson died in 1826. Did he write and publish his book 119 years after his death? Was there a Seer involved? I have the virus again
Thomas Jefferson: An Intimate History was published by Fawn Brodie in 1974. I believe she wrote a lot of speculation into her books.
 
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As I was pointing out with Eunuchs, if a forbidden person of a group were to repent and follow the true living God --- they would be allowed to worship and thus be allowed to marry those within the group of true believers.
The way I see it Eunuchs do not marry:

(New Testament | Matthew 19:9 - 12)

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 ¶ His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
 
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Why do we wrangle about what happened 150 years ago. In this time period all of America was down on African Americans. Everyone hated the Irish, You could kill an Indian for no reason.

To quote one of my instructors: 'Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat the same mistakes'.
If you are the "new in the neighborhood", you will be looked at with fear and mistrust. Only gradually (with a few exceptions) will most of you get used to you and accept you as a neighbor.
If you don't, you're a racist, a sexist, in short, an a***hole!

And a Mormon was thought of as lower than Indians, in fact the state of Missouri had an extermination order that allowed its members to kill any Mormon at any time for no reason and encouraged the killing of Mormons.

This claim is false! Mormons were initially viewed with suspicion in this state, but when Mormons showed their true face, they were hated. However, they still stood above African-Americans and Native Americans.
Mormons were not the victims in Ohio, Missouri, or Illinois. They were mostly also perpetrators!

Luckily we are in a more enlightened age and the Church of Jesus Christ has saw fit to clean up any controversy surrounding that period and has made it known to the world that all worthy men may hold the priesthood of God, and this revelation was given in 1978, over 40 years ago.
Only recently, the LDS Kult admitted to having been involved in the Mountain Meadows massacre and apologized. Too late for me, because they had been hiding the truth for decades. They covered up Mormon involvement in the massacre, Brigham Young's involvement in the cover-up, and his influence in the massacre.
Mormons did not really learn anything about the massacre because anyone who made the Mormon guilt public at the time (until the end of the 20th century) was excommunicated.
And the massacre was not and is not the only thing Mormons cover up!
Two examples from my life that are symptomatic of the lives of many Mormon children and women:

Child abuse:

My father beat and raped my sister, my mother and me. I shot him when I was 14, I was sentenced to 20 years (that was in Idaho). What my "father" had done to us could not be mentioned in court in order not to "damage his reputation." My sister was not allowed to testify, and my mother testified against me because the church leadership (bishop and stake president) had put pressure on her.
Even today, the LDS is covering up child abuse and blaming the victims. Here is an example:

The Mormon Church Has Been Accused of Using a Victims' Hotline to Hide Claims of Sexual Abuse

More on the subject:

Part 1 CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND MORMONISM:

History cover-up:

During my active time in the Church, we took a guide to the life and work of Brigham Young. It pretended that he had always been married to only one woman. When I approached my seminary teacher, he said I was lying. He threatened to excommunicate, if I continued to do so.
Even today, the LDS claims something that is demonstrably wrong, all to reinforce the LDS myth of being the "only true church".

Interestingly enough, the fastest growing segment of the church is Africa. We now have 10 temples either built or in the process of being built. Our position in the black community improves every year and more and more wonderful people in the black community are being baptized into our church, and love our temples and all that we offer in the knowledge of Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is proven that most people in Africa and South America will be Mormon because they are hoping for help: help for a better life, help to get to the United States.
In the 1980s and 1990s, there were many Mormon refugees in Germany, hoping to gain better asylum chances. They were all gone when they realized that the Church was not helping them; but they were not welcome in the LDS communities (Mormons as a group is racist, in my opinion).
 
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There are many verses in the NT that Christians are no longer under the OT laws.
As you would agree we are under the law of Agape, Love.

Do you know the term "pick and choose"? Mormons and some fundamentalist Christians act in this way in dealing with the Bible, perverting the statements of the Bible in order to see their hatred and prejudices confirmed.
 
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So God said it was okay to marry a Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Zidonian, or a Hittite as long as they were not a heathen? Please show me where He said that.

That question doesn't deserve a reply.
 
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That question doesn't deserve a reply.

Until a few decades ago, mixed-race marriages were forbidden among Mormons. This changed only when men of color were allowed to receive the Mormon priesthood.
 
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What year was that change made in BOM and by whom?

“Many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people”
2 Nephi 30:6

The original reading of “white and delightsome” was retained in the LDS textual tradition until the 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon, where it substituted “white” with the “pure” for the 1840 edition.3 The reading of “pure” has been retained in the 2013 LDS edition of the text.
What Does it Mean to be a White and Delightsome People?
 
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To quote one of my instructors: 'Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat the same mistakes'.
If you are the "new in the neighborhood", you will be looked at with fear and mistrust. Only gradually (with a few exceptions) will most of you get used to you and accept you as a neighbor.
If you don't, you're a racist, a sexist, in short, an a***hole!



This claim is false! Mormons were initially viewed with suspicion in this state, but when Mormons showed their true face, they were hated. However, they still stood above African-Americans and Native Americans.
Mormons were not the victims in Ohio, Missouri, or Illinois. They were mostly also perpetrators!


Only recently, the LDS Kult admitted to having been involved in the Mountain Meadows massacre and apologized. Too late for me, because they had been hiding the truth for decades. They covered up Mormon involvement in the massacre, Brigham Young's involvement in the cover-up, and his influence in the massacre.
Mormons did not really learn anything about the massacre because anyone who made the Mormon guilt public at the time (until the end of the 20th century) was excommunicated.
And the massacre was not and is not the only thing Mormons cover up!
Two examples from my life that are symptomatic of the lives of many Mormon children and women:

Child abuse:

My father beat and raped my sister, my mother and me. I shot him when I was 14, I was sentenced to 20 years (that was in Idaho). What my "father" had done to us could not be mentioned in court in order not to "damage his reputation." My sister was not allowed to testify, and my mother testified against me because the church leadership (bishop and stake president) had put pressure on her.
Even today, the LDS is covering up child abuse and blaming the victims. Here is an example:

The Mormon Church Has Been Accused of Using a Victims' Hotline to Hide Claims of Sexual Abuse

More on the subject:

Part 1 CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND MORMONISM:

History cover-up:

During my active time in the Church, we took a guide to the life and work of Brigham Young. It pretended that he had always been married to only one woman. When I approached my seminary teacher, he said I was lying. He threatened to excommunicate, if I continued to do so.
Even today, the LDS claims something that is demonstrably wrong, all to reinforce the LDS myth of being the "only true church".



It is proven that most people in Africa and South America will be Mormon because they are hoping for help: help for a better life, help to get to the United States. In the 1980s and 1990s, there were many Mormon refugees in Germany, hoping to gain better asylum chances. They were all gone when they realized that the Church was not helping them; but they were not welcome in the LDS communities (Mormons as a group is racist, in my opinion).

I sense a lot of hate in this post. So I am not going to be a part of your hate. Only to say, I hope God finds a way to reveal to your mind a way to overcome this hate and get you back on the path of Christian living.
 
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That question doesn't deserve a reply.
Yes it does, you have made a statement and you have been called on it. In a forum like this, you have 2 choices:
1) back up the statement with a reference.
2) withdraw the statement

If you do not do one of the 2, the forum will know it is not the truth.

Which one is it going to be?
 
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Is it true JS publish his own money?

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Most wildcat banks were literally printing money, or at least script that they said could be exchanged for money.

This is a big part of why it took a *very* long time for paper currency to be widely accepted in the United States, as metal coins traditionally contained a quantity of that metal worth the stated price.

(Fun fact: before the 1980s, the US government made pennies almost entirely out of copper. During this period, the price of copper went up so much that the amount of copper in a penny cost more than the penny itself, and so the government switched over to copper-covered zinc. There are a lot of high school - level science experiments based on this.)
 
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I sense a lot of hate in this post. So I am not going to be a part of your hate. Only to say, I hope God finds a way to reveal to your mind a way to overcome this hate and get you back on the path of Christian living.

Where can I find hatred in this post? I have just described one situation. During my active time with the Mormons in Germany (1975-1994), I have experienced this phenomenon very often.
 
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Yes it does, you have made a statement and you have been called on it. In a forum like this, you have 2 choices:
1) back up the statement with a reference.
2) withdraw the statement

If you do not do one of the 2, the forum will know it is not the truth.

Which one is it going to be?

Pete, you're not in a position to tell others how to act.
 
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Most wildcat banks were literally printing money, or at least script that they said could be exchanged for money.

Kirtland Fake Bank was planned as a normal bank with bank approval. An admission that Smith and the Mormons were denied for good reason. When they didn't get that license, they started their fake bank with fake money (there were even three-dollar banknotes).
But that wasn't the only crime that JS was accused of, and there was evidence for it.
Counterfeit money was made with Smith's knowledge in Nauvoo. Counterfeit money used to pay non-Mormons. Here is a proof of this:

"There is a kind of forgery that circulates extensively in this community called Nauvoo Bogus [Nauvoo Swindle]. They are half-dollar pieces, dated to 1828. They are pretty good imitations of the real coin – so good that some of our businessmen have been deceived by them. They are said to have been made in the City of saints." (Warsaw Signal, April 24, 1844)

The Warsaw Signal also wrote that Joseph Smith himself was involved in it, and that there was a forgery workshop in Nauvoo. And that was even talked about by Mormons in public.

"COUTERFEIT MONEY, etc. - On an earlier occasion, we explained that a variety of counterfeit money – called Nauvoo Bogus – had been extensively circulated in this area. We have since heard of the accusation, which was made especially by someone who had an opportunity to know the facts that Joe Smith... involved in this disgraceful business... the fact is well known that counterfeit money is produced in Nauvoo. So here we have a counterfeiting gang in our midst that can defy the law under the protection of an alleged prophet... An official of the judiciary could as well go into purgatory to find a scounduation, as he would go to Nauvoo if Joe took him into custody... (Warsaw Signal, June 5, 1844)
The Nauvoo forgery workshops run at full steam, assuming the amount of fake and counterfeit coins in the city. Since the Mormons learned that they are safe in punishing our law, they seem to be boldly talking about their forgery operations, etc." (same source, June 12, 1844).

The Warsaw Signal reported on the effects of counterfeit ingesle circulation:

"The Last Brothers have recently continued their forgery operations. No less than a dozen farmers who brought their pork to Nauvoo have been paid for with fake coins or counterfeit banknotes." (Warsaw Signal of December 25, 1844)
 
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Thomas Jefferson: An Intimate History was published by Fawn Brodie in 1974. I believe she wrote a lot of speculation into her books.

Her book on JS was well documented from primary sources.
 
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The way I see it Eunuchs do not marry:

(New Testament | Matthew 19:9 - 12)

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 ¶ His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

"The broad sense of the term "eunuch" is reflected in the compendium of Roman law created by Justinian I in the sixth century, known as the Digest or Pandects. That text distinguishes between two types of "eunuchs"—spadones (a general term denoting "one who has no generative power, an impotent person, whether by nature or by castration,"[13] and castrati (castrated males, physically incapable of procreation). Spadones are eligible to marry women, institute posthumous heirs, and adopt children (Institutions of Justinian, 1.11.9), unless they are castrati." Eunuch - New World Encyclopedia
 
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