With all your heart?

Can you love God with all of your heart?


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I agree with you that a believer can be blameless at a certain point of time, but always, I doubt it. Are we sure the first numbered psalms were written before the "later" ones? Anyhow, didn't David sin in other ways, it was not only the Bathsheba incident, was it?

I believe it is talking about from the point of him being a converted believer as a child to the time he wrote that Psalm. I do not believe he wrote this after he murdered and committed adultery. That would send the wrong message to believers today. It would mean we can murder, and commit adultery and yet be blameless.

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I agree to that. But what does it take? Only one sin? If so I lost my salvation the first week I was saved, because I disobeyed God, shamefully I might add.

It takes only one mortal sin to be separated from God, unless we confess of such a sin and forsake it (i.e. we need to battle against mortal sin in overcoming it instead of justifying it).

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There have been so many times I have read scripture and seen something, to at a later time find something I've missed that changes the whole meaning of the passage. So I don't just read what "it's says", but look for the deeper meaning, the purpose of each text. To be without blame or be righteous can mean different things. Not saying you are wrong, but I'm not convinced.

When Scripture tells us to be a certain way that is good, men's natural reaction is to defend that which is wrong and evil. They do not like certain verses in the Bible, so they simply change them. We are not talking about one isolated verse here, either (Whereby one could say that this word could mean something else). But there are three clear testimonies in Scripture about men of God who walked uprightly with God for a period of time in their life.
 
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Yes and Leviticus shows that unintentional sin and ignorance of sin still needs atonement which indicates that it is still considered transgression against God.

Agreed. No argument here. I believe we should confess both mortal and non-mortal sins.
An example of a non-mortal sin can be seen in the first half of Matthew 5:22, and by comparing it with the mortal sin at the end of Matthew 5:22. For Jesus mentions sins that do not lead to hellfire, and then he mentions one that does at the end of this verse.
 
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No. To me, if a person sins, they obviously don't love the Lord their God with all their heart, soul, mind and strength.

And before he sins?

I think that Peter did love God with all heart and soul, and that's the reason he wept so bitterly after his denial. Even the perfect man can be tempted and fall in sin (with the possible exception of Jesus), like Adam and Eve did.
 
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The reason I used this example is because it happened to me when I smashed my finger with a sledgehammer so hard that the end split open and immediately before a single thought when they my head I yelled the “sh**” word. I don’t feel that my love for God had decreased at that moment nor was my intention to rebel against God. I was simply overcome by the intense pain. Of course immediately afterward I ask the Lord to forgive me because it was still a sin but not from a result of lack of love or a rebellious attitude.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
 
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I suppose it is part of your kind nature to say "it is mainly for the unsaved", and perhaps you are right. But if it is only "mainly" for them, it is also for the regenerated.

I said mainly because also the regenerated have use of the Law. But I still think Paul is talking about his previous life as unregenerated, when he says:

For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
— Romans 7:14-15


I suppose you intend a meaning closer to "we must obey" and I agree with you, we must. But we never completely attain this one

Maybe...
 
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Because nothing impure can enter heaven and we will be perfected as Jesus is when we enter. Either before or at the time we enter heaven we will have achieved glorification.
But that doesn’t address why there won’t be accidental sin. They are accidents, after all.
 
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Thomas Watson says of the first commandment (You shall have no other gods before me):

“The sum of this commandment is, that we should sanctify God in our hearts, and give him a precedence above all created beings.”

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"7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things." Isaiah 45 (The sense of this use of "evil" is not actually sinfulness, though. It is "calamity", as some versions put it...)

I think this text makes a weak argument for God forecausing acts of evil.

Thus says the Lord to Cyrus His anointed,
Whom I have taken by the right hand,
To subdue nations before him
And to loose the loins of kings;
To open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:
“I will go before you and make the rough places smooth;
I will shatter the doors of bronze and cut through their iron bars.
“I will give you the treasures of darkness
And hidden wealth of secret places,
So that you may know that it is I,
The Lord, the God of Israel, who calls you by your name.
“For the sake of Jacob My servant,
And Israel My chosen one,
I have also called you by your name;
I have given you a title of honor
Though you have not known Me.
“I am the Lord, and there is no other;
Besides Me there is no God.
I will gird you, though you have not known Me;
That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun
That there is no one besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other,
The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the Lord who does all these.
— Isaiah 45:1-7


The purpose of this text is to show that God is in power. It is His right to what He wishes. If God wants to cause calamity to Sodom and destroy the city because its sin, He can do so, or choose not to. It's in His rightful power to choose Jacob to be of the bloodline of Jesus and He can anoint Cyrus and give him well being (or someone else) and power to subdue nations, for reasons we might not know. But there is always a reason for what God does, sometimes it's because of sin, sometimes it's because of righteousness, or just because of mercy, other times we don't know.

What we do know is what God does is always righteous and just. What He can't do is acting unrighteous or unjust. He can't do something evil and He can't create evil. What He can do is use the evil in the world for a higher good.
 
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Now if that ain't cynical I don't know what is. You could just have easily said something like "They were expecting to see God, whom they loved."

I'm actually quite optimistic and not in very cynical, only skeptical. MY skepticism is based upon examining my own self and discovering my own tendency to lie to myself about my imperfections. Unless I were to discover I am an anomaly, I figure everyone else has the same tendency. I don't consider all self centered calculations as being a sign of evil in others. Most of our self centeredness is harmless. When people do unselfish things, even if there is a small bit of selfishness still attached to it , I find it inspiring.
 
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Thomas Watson says of the first commandment (You shall have no other gods before me):

“The sum of this commandment is, that we should sanctify God in our hearts, and give him a precedence above all created beings.”

Agree or disagree?

I don't know if we have the ability to sanctify in our hearts but I agree that we are to give Him precedence above all created beings. How many of us actually do that?
 
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If we are as perfect as Jesus we won’t have any accidents in sin.
Is this relevant?


It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
— Matthew 15:11
 
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I don't know if we have the ability to sanctify in our hearts but I agree that we are to give Him precedence above all created beings. How many of us actually do that?
A few folks in this thread think they do.
 
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Is this relevant?


It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
— Matthew 15:11

I don’t see how this would be relevant in regards to accidental sin in heaven.
 
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I believe it is talking about from the point of him being a converted believer as a child to the time he wrote that Psalm. I do not believe he wrote this after he murdered and committed adultery. That would send the wrong message to believers today. It would mean we can murder, and commit adultery and yet be blameless.



It takes only one mortal sin to be separated from God, unless we confess of such a sin and forsake it (i.e. we need to battle against mortal sin in overcoming it instead of justifying it).



When Scripture tells us to be a certain way that is good, men's natural reaction is to defend that which is wrong and evil. They do not like certain verses in the Bible, so they simply change them. We are not talking about one isolated verse here, either (Whereby one could say that this word could mean something else). But there are three clear testimonies in Scripture about men of God who walked uprightly with God for a period of time in their life.

I believe sins have a different degree of severity, but have never taken one sin to be deadly and another not deadly. I am of the idea that basically any severe sin can be deadly.

Noah was also said to be a righteous and blameless man.

These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.
— Genesis 6:9
 
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You also have been arguing for the positon of not keeping God's commands like the keeping of the 1st greatest commandment. This is also an argument for disobedience, as well. God never gave us a pass on not keeping His commands in the New Covenant. Paul was arguing against the keeping of the Old Law and he was arguing against Law Alone Salvationism without God's grace. But many in Christinanity today either ignore or change what Jesus and His followers have taught in His Holy Word.
Is there a place in the bible where all the commandments are listed?
 
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