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OK so you are joining the company of those who are condemning others to hell on the forum - is that correct.
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Well you took that completely out of context.
My same question applies to your latest loaded question as well.
I repeat "Who gets to decide that?"
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Sorry I would not have expected you to be struggling with such a basic issue.
The Father Son and Spirit are always in agreement.
No serious Christian could think otherwise. Is this another game? Your next question will tell me...
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Well my question on Post #250 was not answered so we will leave it there unless you would oblige with a simple yes or no.
The last poster who admitted his position considered all Sunday worshipers were part of the 'harlot of Babylon'.
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I'm not the one struggling with it...a house divided can NOT stand.
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I have not misrepresented God, and I quoted Scripture.
You said that I was listening to a voice other than God's; is someone isn't listening to God then they are listening to, or at least being influenced by, the evil one.
I asked you to show me where Jesus taught that gentiles should obey the food and hygiene laws of Leviticus, and then I would obey him. You said "no you wouldn't".
The correct answer is "I can't show you such a verse because it doesn't exist, Jesus didn't say that". You clearly don't want to admit to/acknowledge that, so you attack me implying that even if there was such a verse I would not obey it.
As I think I've said before, you couldn't be more wrong.
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I have said what sin is; rebelling against God.
You won't answer my thrice asked question; are you asking because you want to know, because you don't understand what I said or because you want to persuade me round to your way of thinking.
It seems clear to me that it is the last of these, and it's not going to work.
It has already been established, and agreed, that the law does not save. As long as we all acknowledge Jesus, are born again and filled with his Spirit, we're children of God.
Anything else that you want to do is between you and God.
Enjoy your discussion.
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What a fascinating exchange.
Is it not maddening my friend? I mean the very foundation of the New Covenant Believer is the knowledge of Sin. Why would a man who claims the Blood of Christ refuse to answer such a foundational, fundamental question as "What is God's Definition of Sin"? I mean God plainly gives us HIS Definition. WE don't need to lean on our own understanding. We can defer the Question entirely to Christ so as not to corrupt the question with the imagination of our own minds as HE tells us to do. "Place all your cares on ME". Without the Fundamental, foundational knowledge of sin, there can be no repentance. Without Repentance from sin, no man shall see the Christ. So why would a man claiming HIS Blood washed away his iniquity, refuse to acknowledge God's Clear definition of what was washed away, along with His instruction to depart from iniquity?
I don't think it is because they have any nefarious intent, any more than Eve giving her husband the Fruit of the forbidden tree had nefarious intent. I think the answer why some religious men would refuse to answer such a fundamental question, lies in the story of the very first deception. And also aligns with the topic of this thread.
Gen. 3: 1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
The very first thing the "other voice" in the garden convinced Eve of, is that she was already all set. Already "saved" if you will. That first and foremost, it doesn't matter what she does, it doesn't what "God hath said", she will not surely die.
She was convinced that The fruit of the forbidden tree, the Commandment, the consequences for rejecting the Commandment, all means nothing because she was already immortal, already saved, already good to go.
So all the warnings, all the "Take Heeds", and the "Beware's", are irrelevant to a person who has already been convinced "they shall surely not die".
And notice that this is the "First" thing the "other voice" convinced her of.
If I'm saved already, why repent? If I'm already saved without repentance, what need is there of God's Definition of Sin, the Holy Scriptures, or the knowledge of iniquity.
I think Paul confirms this and warns against it many times, as well as the Lord's Christ.
Rom. 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
1 Cor. 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Of course if a man is completely convinced he is already set, already saved, that he will "surely not die", then these words and warning are irrelevant, written for someone else.
This also explain why so many believe God's definition of iniquity was not written for them, but for men of a certain DNA only.
Anyway, I'm sure you already see this, but I felt compelled to share anyway.
Hang in there my friend
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What does rebelling against God mean??? I do not need to answer it because it has no bearing on the discussion. You are diverting and not answering because you do know the answer and the truth will collapse your argument...
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What a fascinating exchange.
Is it not maddening my friend? I mean the very foundation of the New Covenant Believer is the knowledge of Sin. Why would a man who claims the Blood of Christ refuse to answer such a foundational, fundamental question as "What is God's Definition of Sin"? I mean God plainly gives us HIS Definition. WE don't need to lean on our own understanding. We can defer the Question entirely to Christ so as not to corrupt the question with the imagination of our own minds as HE tells us to do. "Place all your cares on ME". Without the Fundamental, foundational knowledge of sin, there can be no repentance. Without Repentance from sin, no man shall see the Christ. So why would a man claiming HIS Blood washed away his iniquity, refuse to acknowledge God's Clear definition of what was washed away, along with His instruction to depart from iniquity?
I don't think it is because they have any nefarious intent, any more than Eve giving her husband the Fruit of the forbidden tree had nefarious intent. I think the answer why some religious men would refuse to answer such a fundamental question, lies in the story of the very first deception. And also aligns with the topic of this thread.
Gen. 3: 1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
The very first thing the "other voice" in the garden convinced Eve of, is that she was already all set. Already "saved" if you will. That first and foremost, it doesn't matter what she does, it doesn't what "God hath said", she will not surely die.
She was convinced that The fruit of the forbidden tree, the Commandment, the consequences for rejecting the Commandment, all means nothing because she was already immortal, already saved, already good to go.
So all the warnings, all the "Take Heeds", and the "Beware's", are irrelevant to a person who has already been convinced "they shall surely not die".
And notice that this is the "First" thing the "other voice" convinced her of.
If I'm saved already, why repent? If I'm already saved without repentance, what need is there of God's Definition of Sin, the Holy Scriptures, or the knowledge of iniquity.
I think Paul confirms this and warns against it many times, as well as the Lord's Christ.
Rom. 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
1 Cor. 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Of course if a man is completely convinced he is already set, already saved, that he will "surely not die", then these words and warning are irrelevant, written for someone else.
This also explain why so many believe God's definition of iniquity was not written for them, but for men of a certain DNA only.
Anyway, I'm sure you already see this, but I felt compelled to share anyway.
Hang in there my friend
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To be honest here, I posted several Religious Statements you made, then posted God's Word regarding the topic of your statement. It is clear for anyone to see that you miss-represented God and His Word, even though you quoted some of God's Word. There is no shame in this, nor should be, as we have all been warned throughout the Bible of this very thing which happened to even the wisest of Examples written for our admonition. The Shame comes when you are shown the contradiction, yet you continue to preach it anyway.
If someone you have listened to has convinced you that you are impervious to such influence, or that these warning of the Christ and His Apostles and Prophets are not for you, that is sad indeed. Sad because the false statements you made, which contradict the Word's of God Himself, will continue to come out of your mouth and will continue to influence others to believe the falsehood you were deceived into believing. In this way you become Eve, who influenced her husband to reject God's Word as she was also convinced to do. Then Cain was influenced, then the entire world is influenced to reject God's Word over the "other voice" who deceived you in the first place.
The consequence of this rebellious "fruit" are not to be desired, according to Scriptures. But if you don't believe the Word's were written for you, then this too will mean nothing.
Again, to be honest here, I posted the Word's of the Christ Himself, who said you "wouldn't be persuaded" and His Reason's why you would not be persuaded, even if ONE rose from the dead. It wasn't me who was "Attacking you" but the Word's of the very Christ you claim to serve. As mentioned above, you don't believe this Christ's Words pertain to you, even though you openly and brazenly almost brag about your unbelief in Moses and the Prophets God sent.
It is quite ironic that you would accuse me of "attacking you" for showing you the Word's of Christ?
According to you this is likely true. And although I would like for us to honor and respect God's Word together, it appears this may not happen. Will I reject or mis-represent God's Word so that you will shower praise on me? I think not.
Rom. 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God (of the Bible) standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one (Jew or Gentile) that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Hard to do when you refuse to accept God's Definition of iniquity.
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I would have ended this nonsense 13 pages ago. You have more patience than I.
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