Regaining faith living in modern Christianity

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tthew 5:13. You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

Can I never be salt again?

Hi, I am wanting some help with faith from loving Christians about how to get back on track with God. Please don’t feel offended about the following as it was historical from many years ago that was the cause and doesn’t apply to anyone current as I have not used this in years much if at all.

Many years ago I found an exciting online world in forums where I thought I could interact with Christians to get closer to God and in many areas things I learned from wise Christians here helped me for years after. I also found an avenue for helping people and evangelising and that was really beneficial, and I enjoyed it very much. This brought me closer to God for a while.

It all went sour when I began to see another side of Christianity I had never seen before or experienced in my church culture or society I live in. It was alarmingly different from my experience with God or understanding of myself as a sinner. This difference made me start to reject Christianity and I needed to disassociate and haven’t been the same since.

Sadly I found a bizarre world of toxic hate toward people particularly gays and others (please keep discussion of this being right or wrong out of my thread). This did not reflect the love and tolerance I am used to from my own church experience that attracted me to Christianity as a teenager and was alarming. My understanding of my place before God is, I am guilty of sin and being judge of another places me in a category only saved by grace not from anything I achieved. One of my favourite stories is Jesus with the adulteress writing something in the sand putting perspective on hypocrisy as to my position to judge or condemn another. Many of my Christian friends (what’s left of them) are similar in thinking. They know things are right or wrong but aren't the world's sin police..

Opinions and positions held on other things too (that are trigger topics here often) where I live are a non-issue usually and opinions of that further divided me from God. At the time I did not realise it was politics mixed up with culture, media and religion and I thought this was the form mainstream Christianity is transitioning into and sadly it has. I still don’t like the way it’s all mixed up now even here locally instead of church being an isolated haven all about God where you can escape the world and focus on the Bible as it used to be.

How do I negotiate this modern Christianity I feel is wrong and get back to that one on one faith with God and inner feeling of love and joy that could be sustainable with or without church? Isolating myself from modern Christianity is less drama but doesn’t help much with my spiritual walk. Is it possible to be salt again or is it over..
 

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According to the word study on salt in the gospels, we keep our saltiness by being at peace with one another. So make peace if you want to be salty.
Thanks for that, I thought it was a faith and belief thing regarding God and that is an issue too.
 
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I also find the spirit here and other forums very different than in any church I've been in. I'd suggest that you find better ways to interact with fellow Christians. Both our church and our denomination use Facebook a lot. It's a lot more Christian that what you see in other parts of the online world.
 
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I also find the spirit here and other forums very different than in any church I've been in. I'd suggest that you find better ways to interact with fellow Christians. Both our church and our denomination use Facebook a lot. It's a lot more Christian that what you see here.
I tried that but deleted that fast when a local politician used it in an effort to get elected citing Murdoch Press. It is so out of place at church and resonates with my concern of mixing church with political interests now.
 
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I don't think online discussion can take the place of an actual church community. Admittedly Covid makes that difficult, but ours has found ways to interact online. No politicians or Murdoch press.

This is particularly true if you are what is considered liberal. For some reason online Christianity tends to represent what I consider the worst in Christianity. Not even the best conservative Christianity. While I don't agree with it, many actual conservative churches are just fine. The one online exception is patheos, but it's not interactive.
 
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I don't think online discussion can take the place of an actual church community. Admittedly Covid makes that difficult, but ours has found ways to interact online. No politicians or Murdoch press.

This is particularly true if you are what is considered liberal. For some reason online Christianity tends to represent what I consider the worst in Christianity. Not even the best conservative Christianity. The one exception is patheos, but it's not interactive.
I'm fairly open minded and accepting of people as they are and am the opposite of a close minded conservative therefore do struggle with fundamentalism and non factual or non academically sound influences.
 
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I think its better to let the Lord build your connections and place you in edifying company. I have a large network of Christian business associates and we enrich one another immensely. Our temperaments and willingness to share are constants. We hold different opinions but it doesn’t negate the bonds or threaten them.

We respect each other and appreciate everyone’s contribution. That’s the difference.

Yours in His Service,

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I'm fairly open minded and accepting of people as they are and am the opposite of a close minded conservative therefore do struggle with fundamentalism and non factual or non academically sound influences.
Yeah, academically sound Christianity is rare online. I wish I knew why. You can find online versions of everything from responsible conservative Christianity (e.g. Sproul's group) to Nazis, but just try to find serious modern academic theology. N T Wright is about it. (Actually you could argue that Sproul is, on the conservative side, but I think of him as a good popularizer, along the lines of C S Lewis.)
 
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Academic study involves studying other texts on the same subject.

Since the subject is God, there's no real source other than the person's experience which results in something other than pure academia.

This experience paints how they read the bible and all the other commentaries.
 
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Sadly I found a bizarre world of toxic hate toward people particularly gays and others (please keep discussion of this being right or wrong out of my thread).
Its a major thing.

If you just look these verses:

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. NKJV 1 cor 6:9-11

24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. NKJV romans 1:28-32

So if you approve such things i am not suprised if things are looking little chilly.
 
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Actually I have found some really good pearls of wisdom from people here and learned things I never knew.

Good to hear. As far as i'm concerned Christianity is divided into two camps. Those who have been touched by the love of God's truth in their lives, and those who serve religion.

Those who have been touched by God's love in their lives hand out grace and strife to be truthfully loving and caring people. Yet most of those who serve religion are not in touch with God's love and many like to judge and condemn others not like them. All religious people live by rules and follow the letter, yet often not the Spirit who wrote the letters.

Peace.


An invitation to The Chosen.

God's Love will not take or will
you to conform to rules or demand
which imprison, enslave, burn or kill you.

God's Love will not pervert what's Good
The Lord loves truthfully Wise and Good.
True Love was, is and always will be Good!

In God's Love you are free to be right!
In His love everything is good proper and kind.
He loves all who love good and true to rule!

His Love is caring, providing, and sharing.
His Love always enjoys and protects good life.
His love rules even when bad life has being in us!

Hear Jesus call - 'Come join up with us all!
Leave whatever ties you down and be free
loving good life with all God's own to be.'

To the rest in your heart God's asks
how long will you tarry in the darkness?
Please leave such bad existence within.

For life must not, no never should, or would, or could,
be forceful, rude, prideful, arrogant, selfish, lustful
or otherwise be untrue to God's loving truth.

Neither should life be hurting or ill,
hungry, oppressed, despised, hated
or otherwise have existence in wrong.

Please hand your Bad Life over to Jesus
Humbly ask for His Good Life back in return
and go love God, self and neighbour with Joy.

The Church knows that Jesus is coming soon
All bad life will be our shameful past then,
so please leave your bad life while you can!

Love
 
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tthew 5:13. You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

Can I never be salt again?

Hi, I am wanting some help with faith from loving Christians about how to get back on track with God. Please don’t feel offended about the following as it was historical from many years ago that was the cause and doesn’t apply to anyone current as I have not used this in years much if at all.

Many years ago I found an exciting online world in forums where I thought I could interact with Christians to get closer to God and in many areas things I learned from wise Christians here helped me for years after. I also found an avenue for helping people and evangelising and that was really beneficial, and I enjoyed it very much. This brought me closer to God for a while.

It all went sour when I began to see another side of Christianity I had never seen before or experienced in my church culture or society I live in. It was alarmingly different from my experience with God or understanding of myself as a sinner. This difference made me start to reject Christianity and I needed to disassociate and haven’t been the same since.

Sadly I found a bizarre world of toxic hate toward people particularly gays and others (please keep discussion of this being right or wrong out of my thread). This did not reflect the love and tolerance I am used to from my own church experience that attracted me to Christianity as a teenager and was alarming. My understanding of my place before God is, I am guilty of sin and being judge of another places me in a category only saved by grace not from anything I achieved. One of my favourite stories is Jesus with the adulteress writing something in the sand putting perspective on hypocrisy as to my position to judge or condemn another. Many of my Christian friends (what’s left of them) are similar in thinking. They know things are right or wrong but aren't the world's sin police..

Opinions and positions held on other things too (that are trigger topics here often) where I live are a non-issue usually and opinions of that further divided me from God. At the time I did not realise it was politics mixed up with culture, media and religion and I thought this was the form mainstream Christianity is transitioning into and sadly it has. I still don’t like the way it’s all mixed up now even here locally instead of church being an isolated haven all about God where you can escape the world and focus on the Bible as it used to be.

How do I negotiate this modern Christianity I feel is wrong and get back to that one on one faith with God and inner feeling of love and joy that could be sustainable with or without church? Isolating myself from modern Christianity is less drama but doesn’t help much with my spiritual walk. Is it possible to be salt again or is it over..
I think what you need to focus more on is the parable of the lost son (Luke 15:11-32). You can come back and you can live.

Since you said all this stuff that pulled you away from the faith wasn't from your local church or any believers that you knew, can't you return to them?
 
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Since you said all this stuff that pulled you away from the faith wasn't from your local church or any believers that you knew, can't you return to them?
That is the issue, I encountered a lot of this stuff many years before it filtered through into my local church. This left, right, political nonsense in church now where it never used to be along with allowing influences from misleading or factually inaccurate media sources to form current church culture makes me not want to be there anymore, It reminds me of it sadly. I maybe need to find a different church :)


I came to God on my own one night with a bible in one hand and the sinners prayer in the other after a church camp, I just need to find my way back to that place. It was simple and I knew God was there because of the joy I was filled with, that is what is missing..
 
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R So if you approve such things i am not suprised if things are looking little chilly
I saw that and also all the other sins in the bible the church is silent on now. I dont hear much condemnation in the public domain by comparison with outcry about gluttony, gambling, idol worship, greed and excess, coveting, lying, dishonesty, extra marital affairs and divorce. The majority of the Bible condemns this stuff and the largest portion of the polpulation is guilty of it. When I go to church knowing full well all sins are equal in Gods eyes the hypocrisy of taking moral high ground over other people's life choices when our own house is not in order has no attraction for me either. That's what makes me cold among other things.


If your not guilty of any of that cast the first stone. My stone pile is pretty dusty as it rarely if ever gets used..
 
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I came to God on my own one night with a bible in one hand and the sinners prayer in the other after a church camp, I just need to find my way back to that place. It was simple and I knew God was there because of the joy I was filled with, that is what is missing..

you find your way back to God the same way you found Him the first time; 'with a bible'

focus on His Word, study it as if your life depended on it (which it does), and talk to Him; ask questions and expect to get answers; seek out good faith based teachings on His Word and listen to them - i.e., invest time in God on a daily basis, and you'll find Him 'with a bible' - when you are able to be happy knowing Him one on one, you'll be ready to go with Him to interact with other Christians :)
 
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I feel is wrong and get back to that one on one faith with God and inner feeling of love and joy that could be sustainable with or without church? Isolating myself from modern Christianity is less drama but doesn’t help much with my spiritual walk. Is it possible to be salt again or is it over..

To be blunt where does feelings come into John 16:6 I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to God except through Me.
Or
John 3:16-18 look it up and read it.

If you are a Christian live as one, attend your local church, be involved in it and obey Jesus's command if you love him obey him.

Yes you have to work out how Christianity interacts with a pagan world and it's non Christian agendas, but for all Christians it is the bible that determines our believes and not the a nonchristian world's agenda.
 
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you'll be ready to go with Him to interact with other Christians :)
This is a key thing too. Someone at church may be experiencing life as God wants, and that is correct for them. However, I dont want to be judged by God for influencing impressionable people if I feel negative or have opinions others might struggle with at church. Not wanting to spoil somebodies' experience if they are growing I am happy to stay away until things are right. It's not all about me...
 
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