Is Leviticus 11 the Teachings of Demons?

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You should not use vile pejoratives such as that.

Ask them if they even know what "judaizer" means...most use the term and have no idea what it actually means...
 
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Ask them if they even know what "judaizer" means...most use the term and have no idea what it actually means...
Judaizers today are a sect of Messianic Jews beholding to the law(s) of Moses who believed it is still necessary for non-Jewish Christians to adopt Jewish customs and traditions. Primarily that all males be circumcision to be saved, eat kosher food and observe/honor the Feasts of the Lord, and the Mosaic Law to the best of their ability (aka anti-Paul) ...

Galatians 5:1-3 (Complete Jewish Bible)
1 What the Messiah has freed us for is freedom! Therefore, stand firm, and don’t let yourselves be tied up again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words — I, Sha’ul, tell you that if you undergo b’rit-milah the Messiah will be of no advantage to you at all!
3 Again, I warn you: any man who undergoes b’rit-milah is obligated to observe the entire Torah!
(b’rit-milah is the Jewish word for circumcision)​

Judaizer comes from the Greek word "Ioudaizó" (Strong's 2450) , used once in the Greek New Testament (Galatians 2:14) when Paul publicly challenges Peter for compelling gentile Christians to "judaize". This dispute first occurred at Antioch leading to the Jerusalem Council and is still debated today within Messianic Judaism. This dispute still continues today within Messianic Judaism.

For those that may not be aware the faith icon "Messianic" should be viewed as "pro-Paul" (Galatians 3:28-29) as supported in this MJ forum by CF Moderators and Administration.

Acts 15:7-11
7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.
8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.
10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?
11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”​

Even today within Messianic Judaism there are some that stick by the law of Moses as much as possible. From reading this extensive thread one could easily get the impression from some the OP's posts that Rabbinic Judaism is just as valid as Christianity when it comes to being saved. The only problem is that Rabbinic Judaism rejects Yeshua as Israel's Messiah, the Son of God who can forgive sin, and the perfect, spotless Lamb of Father GOD. Also, there hasn't been a Hebrew/Jewish Temple since 70 AD (1 Corinthians 3:16).
 
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What I say, is that Pork gives me a runny nose - which it does. That is why I don't eat it - and it's not kosher.

You have nice out.

I would say that I don't eat it for health reasons; in which case the pork pushers will point out every other food that they know I have eaten, point out how those foods can be adverse to my health, and continue pushing their pork.
 
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I've done numerous types of vegetable fasts. These types of fasts are commonplace in the Middle East.

One cleanse I've done is lettuce, potatoes, oranges, bananas, and hot peppers, only for two weeks.

Another one is carrots only for one week.

I know someone who would do, zucchini only, fasts for a month at a time.

On the flip side, some even abstain from everything, including water, for short fasts.

On the flip side, the Nazarite vow, is a fast from grapes.
OK, but this is not about fasts.

It's about eating, and what you eat, not if you eat.

For one believes that he may eat all things:
another, who is weak, eats herbs


One person eats an omnivores diet
The other person eats a vegetarian or vegan diet

But both are eating.

When You only eat herbs you are not fasting from eating meat if so then Paul would have mentioned fasting, but he did not.
 
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OK, but this is not about fasts.

It's about eating, and what you eat, not if you eat.

For one believes that he may eat all things:
another, who is weak, eats herbs

One person eats an omnivores diet
The other person eats a vegetarian or vegan diet

But both are eating.

When You only eat herbs you are not fasting from eating meat if so then Paul would have mentioned fasting, but he did not.

Let's look at the very next verse.

(CLV) Ro 14:3
Let not him who is eating be scorning him who is not eating. (fasting) Yet let not him who is not eating (fasting) be judging him who is eating, for God took him to Himself.

What is not eating called?

If we drop down two more verses; he brings days into the subject.

(CLV) Ro 14:5
One indeed, is deciding for one day rather than another day, yet one is deciding for every day. Let each one be fully assured in his own mind.

What does one day rather than another have to do with choosing not to eat, or whether or not to abstain from meat?
 
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I've done numerous types of vegetable fasts. ... One cleanse I've done is lettuce, potatoes, oranges, bananas, and hot peppers, only for two weeks. Another one is carrots only for one week.
Lulav is correct in that a Jewish "fast" that Paul is referencing is different from a two week diet of lettuce, potatoes, oranges, bananas and hot peppers for the purpose of eliminating toxins (cleansing) from modern processed foods. Also, the purpose of a Jewish or Christian fast is denying the flesh so one can draw closer to the LORD.

The type of diet you are talking about is a two week vegetarian cleansing diet with light snacking on different vegetables 3 or 4 times every day. Snacking on vegetables 4 times a day as a cleansing diet doesn't imply that you are denying the flesh (as with a true "fast").

In a true "fast" denying the flesh the first 3 days are the hardest even experiencing a headache is not uncommon. However, by the 4th day you no longer have a graving and fasting becomes relatively easy once you get beyond 3 days. It's kind of amazing how good food tastes and no urge to binge eat after a 10 day "fast". Rather enjoying a light meal slowly like never before.
 
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The type of diet you are talking about is a two week vegetarian cleansing diet with light snacking on different vegetables 3 or 4 times every day. Snacking on vegetables 4 times a day as a cleansing diet doesn't imply that you are denying the flesh (as with a true "fast").

In a true "fast" denying the flesh the first 3 days are the hardest even experiencing a headache is not uncommon. However, by the 4th day you no longer have a graving and fasting becomes relatively easy once you get beyond 3 days. It's kind of amazing how good food tastes and no urge to binge eat after a 10 day "fast". Rather enjoying a light meal slowly like never before.

Oh really. I thought that I have been fasting on and off for over 40 years. I've been reading the Bible for even longer; but maybe I have it all wrong. Maybe I don't really know anything about a "true " fast. Can you prove out your unsupported assertions with scripture?
 
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Let's look at the very next verse.

(CLV) Ro 14:3
Let not him who is eating be scorning him who is not eating. (fasting) Yet let not him who is not eating (fasting) be judging him who is eating, for God took him to Himself.

What is not eating called?

If we drop down two more verses; he brings days into the subject.

(CLV) Ro 14:5
One indeed, is deciding for one day rather than another day, yet one is deciding for every day. Let each one be fully assured in his own mind.

What does one day rather than another have to do with choosing not to eat, or whether or not to abstain from meat?
IN verse 2 is specifies 'everything and only herbs or vegetables. So both persons are eating, just not the same things.

I'm really not seeing how they are both related, I see Paul giving two examples of the beliefs of members of the congregation he is writing to.

But you got me to looking deeper.

Word for word from Greek to English says:

One indeed believes to eat all things the (ne) however being weak eats vegetables


The first translated 'eat' is the word φάγω 'phago' meaning: I eat, partake of food; met: I devour, consume (e.g. as rust does); used only in fut. and 2nd aor. tenses.

The second 'eats' is the word 'esthió' and also means to eat and is translated many ways: ate (21), consume (2), diet (1), dine (1), does so (1), eat (96), eaten (2), eating (19), eats (11), feed (2), use (1).

Doing a bit more digging

'specifically in opposition to abstinence from certain kinds of food, Romans 14:3, 20; ἐσθίειν καί πίνειν (and φαγεῖν καί πιεῖν)'

'not to shun choice food and in a word to be rather a free-liver, opposed to the narrow and scrupulous notions of those who abstain from the use of wine and certain kinds of food, Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34;'

'opposed to fasting (τό νηστεύειν), Luke 5:33;'
 
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You have nice out.

I would say that I don't eat it for health reasons; in which case the pork pushers will point out every other food that they know I have eaten, point out how those foods can be adverse to my health, and continue pushing their pork.
I just got very tired of the nose that just would not stop. So I decided to go back to being kosher. My sinuses are now normal again. My husband even said, that Kosher is actually how people are supposed to eat to stay healthy. It's just some people are more sensitive to the unhealthy food than others.
 
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