Trump mocks his Christian supporters

dzheremi · Dec 15, 2020

Ronita said:
Christian men are also homophobic

How can you make such blanket statements, as though this some kind of axiomatic truth which everyone knows to be the case? This is really beyond the pale.

Your thread has gone from disagreeing with Trump and noting his hypocrisy (something which plenty of Christians can do, as our faith is not to be in any man but the God-man Jesus Christ) to being a list of generalized statements about what Christians and men (and now Christian men) do or do not do, or how they are. Well excuse me for being observant, but if you're going to take the stance that no man can tell any woman anything about abortion since they're not a woman, why should anyone listen to anything you have to say about men, since you're not a man?

Donald Trump apparently isn't the only hypocrite featured in this thread.

Ronita · Dec 15, 2020

dzheremi said:
How can you make such blanket statements, as though this some kind of axiomatic truth which everyone knows to be the case? This is really beyond the pale.

Your thread has gone from disagreeing with Trump and noting his hypocrisy (something which plenty of Christians can do, as our faith is not to be in any man but the God-man Jesus Christ) to being a list of generalized statements about what Christians and men (and now Christian men) do or do not do, or how they are. Well excuse me for being observant, but if you're going to take the stance that no man can tell any woman anything about abortion since they're not a woman, why should anyone listen to anything you have to say about men, since you're not a man?

Donald Trump apparently isn't the only hypocrite featured in this thread.

I can make those statements because they are absolutely true. ABSOLUTELY. A lot of Christian men are homophobic, and many suffer from internalized homophobia.

A classic example is Elizabeth Smart's father, who had 6 children and was an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Last year, he left his wife of 34 years to be with his partner.
Elizabeth Smart's Father Reveals He Has Not Spoken to His Ex-Wife Since Coming Out as Gay

Here is a thread in this forum:
80% of Vatican Priest are gay

The problem with conservatism is that perception is more important than facts because nothing is more powerful than the ultimate control from the grave of your dead relatives.

Fortunately, those who are critical thinkers will change the world so that it becomes a more united, accepting world, with parents playing a key role. Parents don't want their gay or trans kid to commit suicide. Parents don't want their disabled child to be mocked and devalued. It takes unconditional love to change the world.

dzheremi · Dec 15, 2020

Ronita said:
I can make those statements because they are absolutely true.

Oh. Okay. You can because you say they're true.

ABSOLUTELY.

And you yell.

A lot of Christian men are homophobic, and many suffer from internalized homophobia.

And you make blanket statements, and mass-diagnose "a lot of Christian men" with whatever.

A classic example is Elizabeth Smart's father

And your example is one guy, who is apparently "a lot of Christian men". :scratch:

who had 6 children and was an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Scratch that, he's actually a Mormon, so he's not a Christian (FYI: Mormons are not Christians not only according to anyone who knows anything about the theology of Mormonism, but according to the rules of this website).

So your example of the ways in which "a lot of Christian men are homophobic" is one non-Christian man who is in a gay relationship.

I see.

Here is a thread in this forum:
80% of Vatican Priest are gay

Here is an actually self-evident fact: 80% of the world's Christian men are not Vatican priests, so it doesn't matter if 80% of Vatican priests are gay. That doesn't help your case. Why not just admit you're overgeneralizing?

The problem with conservatism is that perception is more important than facts because nothing is more powerful than the ultimate control from the grave of your dead relatives.

Other than that bit about gay inappropriate content in the Bible belt (which I'll take your word is in there, since there are some things I just don't want Google thinking I'm interested in), I really haven't seen any facts from you in this thread about Christian men.

I don't really care what you have to say about conservatism because I am not a conservative. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Still, I've never met one who has pretended to have 'ultimate control from the grave' of my dead relatives, whatever that's in reference to. Sounds very melodramatic.

Fortunately, those who are critical thinkers will change the world so that it becomes a more united, accepting world, with parents playing a key role. Parents don't want their gay or trans kid to commit suicide. Parents don't want their disabled child to be mocked and devalued. It takes unconditional love to change the world.

Alright. I don't really see what any of that has to do with your stereotyping of Christian men as homophobes who are secretly gay Mormons or whatever, but okay.

Ronita · Dec 15, 2020

Oh and exactly how many examples of Ed Smart's story do you need?
It's very telling that you are too scared to do your own research. It's also very telling that you have determined he's not a Christian. That's oh so hypocritical, given your judgmentalism and internalized emotions...

STAY MAD or love yourself. You choose.

dzheremi · Dec 15, 2020

Ronita said:
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Oh and exactly how many examples of Ed Smart's story do you need?
It's very telling that you are too scared to do your own research. It's also very telling that you have determined he's not a Christian. That's oh so hypocritical, given your judgmentalism and internalized emotions...

STAY MAD or love yourself. You choose.

Hahaha.

You don't know me, and I've literally never interacted with you before this thread. Your little info box thing says that you joined CF eight days ago, so I can only hope that as time passes and you mature a little bit here as a member you will spend more time in discussion with people and less time attempting to read the minds of strangers. So far, frankly, you're not very good at it. Take care.

Ronita · Dec 15, 2020

dzheremi said:
Hahaha.

You don't know me, and I've literally never interacted with you before this thread. Your little info box thing says that you joined CF eight days ago, so I can only hope that as time passes and you mature a little bit here as a member you will spend more time in discussion with people and less time attempting to read the minds of strangers. So far, frankly, you're not very good at it. Take care.

The fact that I am new here doesn't mean I am new to life experience, nor to Christianity. You think everyone who joins this forum is new to Christianity? WOW

BTW your reaction is very telling. Please learn to accept yourself because internalized contempt is not healthy.

Guinan · Dec 15, 2020

Ronita said:
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It's very telling that you are too scared to do your own research. It's also very telling that you have determined he's not a Christian. That's oh so hypocritical, given your judgmentalism and internalized emotions...

STAY MAD or love yourself. You choose.

May I ask why you are so hostile towards conservative Christians? It's obvious by your posts that you bear contempt against them. You are posting in the Christian Only section, on a Christian board, and you've spent much of your time here badmouthing conservative Christians. I think it's pretty clear to everyone else participating in this thread that you have an axe to grind. Is it really worth your time?

Guinan · Dec 15, 2020

dzheremi said:
Hahaha.

You don't know me, and I've literally never interacted with you before this thread. Your little info box thing says that you joined CF eight days ago, so I can only hope that as time passes and you mature a little bit here as a member you will spend more time in discussion with people and less time attempting to read the minds of strangers. So far, frankly, you're not very good at it. Take care.

Most people who behave like this online would never have the nerve to treat other people like this in person. I suppose these people feel untouchable or empowered because they can hide anonymously behind their computer screen and never have to physically face the person they're disparaging online.

Ronita · Dec 15, 2020

Guinan said:
May I ask why you are so hostile towards conservative Christians? It's obvious by your posts that you bear contempt against them. You are posting in the Christian Only section, on a Christian board, and you've spent much of your time here badmouthing conservative Christians. I think it's pretty clear to everyone else participating in this thread that you have an axe to grind. Is it really worth your time?

Conservative Christians make a mockery of the teachings of Jesus.

If you still have comprehension problems, ask someone to explain it to you.

Ronita · Dec 16, 2020

Guinan said:
Most people who behave like this online would never have the nerve to treat other people like this in person. I suppose these people feel untouchable or empowered because they can hide anonymously behind their computer screen and never have to physically face the person they're disparaging online.

How old are you, 12?

I've had these views before the internet, I've joined groups in person where debates took place, covering all belief systems, but most present had a Christian background and were no longer happy with how Christianity treated the world.

I've traveled and lived with people of different races and religions to put up against my Christian background.

I was raised Catholic and raised to believe Catholics are the biggest and main Christianity. Then one day someone at work told me "Catholics aren't Christians".

So now when I hear "Mormons aren't Christians" I know it's all about how you were raised and in fact, there's tens of thousands of variations of Christian denominations and sects.

At the end of the day, if you wear a fake label, you're not a Christian. You cannot be a Christian if you make a mockery of Jesus.

prodromos · Dec 16, 2020

Ronita said:
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How dishonest of you. You obviously have Trump's brand of Christianity.

You only need to click on my profile to see my Christianity

I provide my sources throughout.

But you don't fact check them. Providing sources is not the same thing as fact checking. You can easily find a video on youtube where Nancy Pelosi was interviewed on CNN by Wolf Blitzer. She has a complete meltdown when he questions her on why she wouldn't let Trump's stimulus bill pass in the House, resorting to personal attacks when the interview didn't go her way.

YOU don't.

You just throw around your opinion with nothing to back it up.

There is plenty of evidence if you want to look for it. You obviously don't want to and I have better things to do than dig up information that you will simply dismiss.

You are also incapable of refuting my sources and deflect by throwing insults.

It wasn't an insult, it was a statement of fact.

Guinan · Dec 16, 2020

Ronita said:
Conservative Christians make a mockery of the teachings of Jesus.

If you still have comprehension problems, ask someone to explain it to you.

And what do you think you’re doing behaving like this? What does it say about your witness?

“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” - John 13:34-35

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other." - Galatians 5:22-26

mmksparbud · Dec 16, 2020

THIS IS ABOUT TRUMP MOCKING CHRISTIANS---NOT ABOUT CHRISTIANS MOCKING CHRISTIANS.

Christians are Democrats and Republicans, and many are of many denominations. This site does not consider Mormons nor JW's as Christians.

returntosender · Dec 16, 2020

Ronita said:
You have revealed yourself as xenophobic and your username indicates you are racist. Very unChristian since Jesus said to love one and all and to NOT judge others least you be judged.

Why would anyone care what you a non citizen of U S has to say about my president? Your opinion means nothing. Go lie about your own leader in your own country. You need prayer, talking so terrible about people

Guinan · Dec 16, 2020

Ronita said:
How old are you, 12?

Actually I’m 47 years old and the mother of nine children. You?

Ronita said:
I've had these views before the internet, I've joined groups in person where debates took place, covering all belief systems, but most present had a Christian background and were no longer happy with how Christianity treated the world.

I've traveled and lived with people of different races and religions to put up against my Christian background.

I was raised Catholic and raised to believe Catholics are the biggest and main Christianity. Then one day someone at work told me "Catholics aren't Christians".

So now when I hear "Mormons aren't Christians" I know it's all about how you were raised and in fact, there's tens of thousands of variations of Christian denominations and sects.

At the end of the day, if you wear a fake label, you're not a Christian. You cannot be a Christian if you make a mockery of Jesus.

There is nothing within your attempted defense of your behavior that justifies being rude towards other people. As a matter of fact, your behavior here in this thread reveals what is your heart.

Ronita · Dec 16, 2020

Guinan said:
And what do you think you’re doing behaving like this? What does it say about your witness?

“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” - John 13:34-35

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other." - Galatians 5:22-26

Conservative Christians do not follow what Jesus preached.

If's one of the main reasons Christianity in America went from
85% identifying as Christian in 1990 to
65% in 2020.

You can't make this up.

Ronita · Dec 16, 2020

Guinan said:
Actually I’m 47 years old and the mother of nine children. You?

There is nothing within your attempted defense of your behavior that justifies being rude towards other people. As a matter of fact, your behavior here in this thread reveals what is your heart.

I am so sorry but I don't suffer fools gladly.

Guinan · Dec 16, 2020

Ronita said:
Conservative Christians do not follow what Jesus preached.

If's one of the main reasons Christianity in America went from
85% identifying as Christian in 1990 to
65% in 2020.

You can't make this up.

Everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God, and that includes you and I.

Ronita · Dec 16, 2020

alllivesmatter said:
Why would anyone care what you a non citizen of U S has to say about my president? Your opinion means nothing. Go lie about your own leader in your own country. You need prayer, talking so terrible about people

Prayer doesn't seem to have worked for your country.

My country is doing very well, we've re-opened borders and are cautiously resuming life pre Covid.

My family in the USA aren't so lucky and I have lost loved-ones.

Your xenophobic and racist mind-set disgusts me.

Ronita · Dec 16, 2020

prodromos said:
You only need to click on my profile to see my Christianity

But you don't fact check them. Providing sources is not the same thing as fact checking. You can easily find a video on youtube where Nancy Pelosi was interviewed on CNN by Wolf Blitzer. She has a complete meltdown when he questions her on why she wouldn't let Trump's stimulus bill pass in the House, resorting to personal attacks when the interview didn't go her way.

There is plenty of evidence if you want to look for it. You obviously don't want to and I have better things to do than dig up information that you will simply dismiss.

It wasn't an insult, it was a statement of fact.

Apparently you didn't watch the videos where Pelosi made it clear she wouldn't accept pittance when people needed much more.

You can have all the alternative facts you want since Trump's administration introduced it.

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