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Christianity in the USA was already on the decline. Did Trump make anything or anyone's opinion of it worse? Maybe some people, but Biden or the Democrats won't make Christians of people or make Christianity grow. Biden in order to be an acceptable Democratic candidate has to deny his Catholic faith has any effect on his politics. He lives in a Gnostic world where his actions don't have any effect on his soul. Democrats also prefer the non-religious and non-Christian voting populations so what incentive do they have to go after a Christian vote, especially if those populations are growing?

I'll give Trump some credit in that he was willing to defend at least some Christian principles publicly. He was more pro-life than most Republicans before him and he didn't seek to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to provide contraceptional (contra to their faith). He also held back some of the wackier liberal forces like defund the Police and Black Lives matter.
 
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Christianity in the USA was already on the decline. Did Trump make anything or anyone's opinion of it worse? Maybe some people, but Biden or the Democrats won't make Christians of people or make Christianity grow. Biden in order to be an acceptable Democratic candidate has to deny his Catholic faith has any effect on his politics. He lives in a Gnostic world where his actions don't have any effect on his soul. Democrats also prefer the non-religious and non-Christian voting populations so what incentive do they have to go after a Christian vote, especially if those populations are growing?
FYI Biden is a practicing Catholic who actually goes to church, unlike most Christians I know who have never even read the Bible. I have documented proof of Trump's eldest sister saying Trump never enters a church unless there is a camera to record it. Obviously to fool his voter base.

I'll give Trump some credit in that he was willing to defend at least some Christian principles publicly. He was more pro-life than most Republicans before him
Trump LIED about late term abortions and after birth abortions. Democrats absolutely do not condone this UNLESS the doctor deems it necessary to save the mother's life.

HE DOWNRIGHT LIED. Also, he IS pro-choice because had it been his choice, he would only have one daughter today. There is video evidence confirming this.



and he didn't seek to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to provide contraceptional (contra to their faith). He also held back some of the wackier liberal forces like defund the Police and Black Lives matter.
Are you aware that Trump separated children from their parents at the border, then lost contact details of the parents? Some of those kids have died.

He lied about the context and meaning of defunding police. And black lives Do matter. That death video of George Floyd was unbelievable and how anyone could excuse it is beyond me.

As for contraception for Catholics, only in EXTREME cases do Catholics now refuse contraception on religious grounds. Most Catholics I know take contraception, I know plenty to have had pregnancy terminations. It's 2020.
 
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Wow I believe everything I read on twitter and I am absolutely certain that everyone else does too.
The fact 3 people agreed with you goes to prove that Trump's followers, like him, do not read and believe whatever nonsense he tells them.

There is a difference between someone's Twitter post... and a twitter post that includes a SOURCE.


Otherwise, that's like reading a news headline and assuming what's in the article without ever reading it.


Here is the full article, albeit a short one. There are plenty of other sources to back this up, including his own sister, Maryanne, who is highly critical of his religious claims. She says he never enters a church unless there's a camera.


Trump Secretly Mocks His Christian Supporters
October 29, 2020 Article Submitted National, Politics, Uncategorized Comments Offon Trump Secretly Mocks His Christian Supporters
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President Trump, Vice President Mike Pence, and faith leaders say a prayer in the Oval Office in September 2017. Photo by Alex Wong/Getty

By McKay Coppins
The Atlantic


One day in 2015, Donald Trump beckoned Michael Cohen, his longtime confidant and personal attorney, into his office. Trump was brandishing a printout of an article about an Atlanta-based megachurch pastor trying to raise $60 million from his flock to buy a private jet. Trump knew the preacher personally—Creflo Dollar had been among a group of evangelical figures who visited him in 2011 while he was first exploring a presidential bid.

During the meeting, Trump had reverently bowed his head in prayer while the pastors laid hands on him. Now he was gleefully reciting the impious details of Dollar’s quest for a Gulfstream G650.

Trump seemed delighted by the “scam,” Cohen recalled to me, and eager to highlight that the pastor was “full of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].”

“They’re all hustlers,” Trump said.

The president’s alliance with religious conservatives has long been premised on the contention that he takes them seriously, while Democrats hold them in disdain.

In speeches and interviews, Trump routinely lavishes praise on conservative Christians, casting himself as their champion.

“My administration will never stop fighting for Americans of faith,” he declared at a rally for evangelicals earlier this year. It’s a message his campaign will seek to amplify in the coming weeks as Republicans work to confirm Amy Coney Barrett—a devout, conservative Catholic—to the Supreme Court.

Trump Does Not Speak for These Christians

But in private, many of Trump’s comments about religion are marked by cynicism and contempt, according to people who have worked for him.

Former aides told me they’ve heard Trump ridicule conservative religious leaders, dismiss various faith groups with cartoonish stereotypes, and deride certain rites and doctrines held sacred by many of the Americans who constitute his base.

Source: Trump Secretly Mocks His Christian Supporters - The Tennessee Tribune
 
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I too mock 'christians' of the ilk of Crefo Dollar. They preach a false gospel and deserve to be mocked.
Trump mocks Christians, period.

He does not believe in anything Christianity stands for. He's never read the Bible. He would have chosen an abortion for one of his kids if the choice was up to him. He never goes to church unless it's a photo opportunity, to deceive and manipulate his voter-based. He only chose Mike Pence because it would win him votes.

Trump does not know or care about integrity.
 
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Trump is also on the way out, and will be gone before Christianity is (though sometimes I do wonder...)

Anyway, take it from someone whose Church makes up maybe 10% of its homeland (Egypt): it can get a lot worse than it currently is, demographics-wise, and it will not be good for anyone (it is never good to see God recede in importance in any society; we shouldn't forget that nature abhors a vacuum), but those who remain faithful even when the leader curses us and blasphemes our God will be rewarded in both this life (martyrdom, should it come to that, is a reward, just as we count it a blessing to be ridiculed for Christ's sake) and in that to come. That's what matters, ultimately -- not all this stuff where any side produces all this hue and cry about who's in office, or should be, or whatever. For goodness' sake, the Egyptians' one experiment with democracy resulted in the Muslim Brotherhood running the country, the non-Muslim tax coming back in some of the villages, more and more kidnapping of Christian girls, and so on! And now they have a strongman instead, but at least I suppose he gave them permission for a cathedral in the new capital, instead of democracy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (In response to the terrorist bombing of the cathedral and the church in Tanta.)

At least we are not there. And in the meantime we watch the aggressive, particularly western variety of secularism wash over all the weak churches that could not stand up when they had the chance, so of course they're not going to do so now either. If I have to be sad about anything it's that Christianity in the west is so weak in the first place as to make this sad state of affairs a kind of 'best option' compared to what else is in the world. Ethiopia is being torn apart by civil war, as Sudan was before it; Armenia was just eviscerated in the 'deal' between the Armenian politicians and the Azeri Turks over Artsakh (Lord have mercy); other churches have their own internal and external struggles which I will not mention...there's not a lot of things to rejoice about, when you look at things on this level.

And yet, when you retire to your closet as so many of us do now in a much more reflective way than we might have done before, thanks to the pandemic or whatever else, and it is just you and God, and the Theotokos and all of the saints and angels uplifting your prayers, there (and pretty much only there) is peace. Lord have mercy.
 
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Wow! I didn't know you could read other peoples hearts. You must be an incredibly holy person.
I don't believe in reading people's minds and hearts.

Also, actions speak louder than words.

You know he cheated on all 3 wives, right? You know his attorney paid hush money to a inappropriate content star, right?

You know he would have chosen an abortion when one of is kids was conceived but the mother wouldn't agree to it.

It's not hard to become knowledgeable when you pay attention to the facts from reliable sources.

You know Trump has not denied any of the above, right?
 
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Christianity in the USA was already on the decline.
Yes Christianity has been in decline for some time but 10% during Trump's one term is significant. He is everything a Christian is not supposed to be: a liar, a thief, sexually immoral, never read the Bible, never goes to church unless for the cameras. Shall I go on?
 
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Yes Christianity has been in decline for some time but 10% during Trump's one term is significant. He is everything a Christian is not supposed to be: a liar, a thief, sexually immoral, never read the Bible, never goes to church unless for the cameras. Shall I go on?

And when he is gone, then what? I don't like him as a leader either, but I don't see where this is going beyond saying that having a hypocrite identified as a Christian makes Christianity and Christians look bad, which was true before him and will be true after him. We all know this.

Christianity is dying in the West, but I agree with our friend Ignatius that it was doing so before him. His bad examples certainly do not help, but then neither do any of ours, and we actually have significantly more control over those than any of us do over his. So what's really important -- those things we can directly control, or all the things that we cannot, that we must leave up to the mercy of God?

One of the fundamental things the Egyptians taught me about fasting (which is not the norm in the Roman Catholic Church that I came from, sadly) is that we do not look at a brother's plate during the fast except to see that he has enough to eat. This surely has applications beyond the fast. If I do not look at another's sins in a judgmental way, but instead to try to help them and encourage them to come back to God in repentance, have I not done all that can be reasonably asked of me? Do I have to rub their face in it as though I am better because their hypocrisy is visible while my own is hidden? (for now)

I don't see how that could be healthy, but maybe the rules are different when the hypocrite is a president. I hope I am never president then, and that you aren't either, Ronita. (Or prime minister in your case, I suppose.)
 
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https://twitter.com/Anne_Of_Boleyn/status/1338566684643188736


In 2015, 75% of Americans identified as Christians.
In 2020, 65% of AMericans identify as Christians. That's a loss of 10% in five years.
In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

Trump's eldest sibling, Maryanne Trump (a devout Catholic) said that Trump only enters a Church if there are cameras. (I can provide a verbatim quote of what Maryanne said, angrily)
What's your point in all of this, he won't be president in less than a month? Are you all going to continue to bad mouth him until he dies or even after?
I think people from other countries should be bad mouthing their own leaders. We don't go out of our way to say bad things about theirs. It stinks and says a lot about people that would spend their time doing this.
 
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FYI Biden is a practicing Catholic who actually goes to church, unlike most Christians I know who have never even read the Bible. I have documented proof of Trump's eldest sister saying Trump never enters a church unless there is a camera to record it. Obviously to fool his voter base.
Bishop Rick Stika might differ with you on that.
Biden isn’t the only hypocrite in the Democratic party. Nancy Pelosi often likes to bloviate about her Catholic faith, yet she has never come across an abortion that she didn’t love. And they criticize President Trump for being a “phony Christian.”

https://twitter.com/BishopStika/status/1310791109963124736?s=20

Under Catholic Church teachings, it says that abortion “is a grievous moral equivalent to murder,” Breitbart said. The reason is both involve the intentional killing of another human being, in this case an unborn child.
I too mock 'christians' of the ilk of Crefo Dollar. They preach a false gospel and deserve to be mocked.
I was thinking the same thing right before I read your post!

Trump mocks Christians, period.

He does not believe in anything Christianity stands for. He's never read the Bible. He would have chosen an abortion for one of his kids if the choice was up to him. He never goes to church unless it's a photo opportunity, to deceive and manipulate his voter-based. He only chose Mike Pence because it would win him votes.

Trump does not know or care about integrity.

Wow! I didn't know you could read other peoples hearts. You must be an incredibly holy person.

Thinking the same thing!
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Better than deriding him, how about some prayer for the man?
 
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FYI Biden is a practicing Catholic who actually goes to church, unlike most Christians I know who have never even read the Bible. I have documented proof of Trump's eldest sister saying Trump never enters a church unless there is a camera to record it. Obviously to fool his voter base.


Trump LIED about late term abortions and after birth abortions. Democrats absolutely do not condone this UNLESS the doctor deems it necessary to save the mother's life.

HE DOWNRIGHT LIED. Also, he IS pro-choice because had it been his choice, he would only have one daughter today. There is video evidence confirming this.




Are you aware that Trump separated children from their parents at the border, then lost contact details of the parents? Some of those kids have died.

He lied about the context and meaning of defunding police. And black lives Do matter. That death video of George Floyd was unbelievable and how anyone could excuse it is beyond me.

As for contraception for Catholics, only in EXTREME cases do Catholics now refuse contraception on religious grounds. Most Catholics I know take contraception, I know plenty to have had pregnancy terminations. It's 2020.
Bull, Biden is all for abortions.
 
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I don't believe in reading people's minds and hearts.
Also, actions speak louder than words.

You know he cheated on all 3 wives, right? You know his attorney paid hush money to a inappropriate content star, right?

You know he would have chosen an abortion when one of is kids was conceived but the mother wouldn't agree to it.

It's not hard to become knowledgeable when you pay attention to the facts from reliable sources.

You know Trump has not denied any of the above, right?
I believe he has done things in the past he is not particularly proud of, as have I. Does that necessarily mean he is still an adulterer, still pro-choice? What hope is there for any of us if we are always going to be judged by how we were in the past.
 
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And when he is gone, then what? I don't like him as a leader either, but I don't see where this is going beyond saying that having a hypocrite identified as a Christian makes Christianity and Christians look bad, which was true before him and will be true after him. We all know this.

Christianity is dying in the West, but I agree with our friend Ignatius that it was doing so before him. His bad examples certainly do not help, but then neither do any of ours, and we actually have significantly more control over those than any of us do over his. So what's really important -- those things we can directly control, or all the things that we cannot, that we must leave up to the mercy of God?

One of the fundamental things the Egyptians taught me about fasting (which is not the norm in the Roman Catholic Church that I came from, sadly) is that we do not look at a brother's plate during the fast except to see that he has enough to eat. This surely has applications beyond the fast. If I do not look at another's sins in a judgmental way, but instead to try to help them and encourage them to come back to God in repentance, have I not done all that can be reasonably asked of me? Do I have to rub their face in it as though I am better because their hypocrisy is visible while my own is hidden? (for now)

I don't see how that could be healthy, but maybe the rules are different when the hypocrite is a president. I hope I am never president then, and that you aren't either, Ronita. (Or prime minister in your case, I suppose.)
My point appears to have been missed.

The Christian vote gave Trump the presidency, which gave Trump the power to destroy American lives and the economy.

Other countries with strong leadership who never used religion to gain votes, are on their way to normal life pre-Covid. There is no light at the end of the tunnel in America.

Over 70 million voted to give Trump 4 more years and there is talk of running in 2024.
 
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Most politicians give very diplomatic answers to questions and issues. They tell you what you want to hear. All of them have the best answers.

With Donald Trump, you always know what time it is, he says exactly what's on his mind. I think this is the most informed the public has ever been.
 
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