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Circumcism Of The Heart
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God bless you @HARK! you are to much to handle, farewell friend.
If you have no love your faith in itself is invalid, and has no value.
As you've noticed some followers of Messianic Judaism apparently consider "Christianity" as 2nd class theology in comparison to the theology of the Torah and the "seat of Moses". To the point that even the writings of the Apostles (NT) take a back seat to the "seat of Moses." (Hebrew Bible/OT). Both Peter and James agreed with the following consensus of the Jerusalem Council ... by which the OP possibly views Christianity (first 5 books of the NT) as 2nd class theology in comparison to the theology of the first five books of the OT (Torah).
It's quite possible that the OP considers the following verses (Acts 15) to be too revolutionary to the point that even non-Jewish males should still be circumcised of flesh when the Complete Jewish Bible (both OT & NT) says that circumcision of the heart is more important than circumcision of the flesh (Deuteronomy 10:16 and Galatians 5:2).
The OP apparently believes that the following verses in Acts 15 in effect classify "Christians" at Antioch and future "Christians" holding to these verses as 2nd class followers who's Faith is in the writings of the apostles (NT) in comparison to Jews (1st class followers) that put their trust more in the OT than the NT. The OP apparantely bases his bias on the following consensus by both Peter and James as being inferior to the Jewish followers of the Hebrew Bible (OT) over that of the writings of the apostles (NT)...
Acts 15:1
1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
Acts 15:8-11
8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
Acts 15:19-20
19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:24-26
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
Acts 15:8-11
8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
Acts 15:19-20
19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:24-26
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
The OP lost his debate premise (Matthew 21:1-3) so he decided to change the topic to the "Seat of Moses" to further distinguish Messianic Judaism from Christendom. The obvious intent of the OP is to make the point that he considers Messianic Judaism to be 1st Class theology; whereas he apparently views Christendom as 2nd Class theology. An administrator should lock this thread to stop him from further stirring the pot of Messianic Judaism vs Christianity.
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His thread better belongs in a Messianic Judaism forum. For him to continue stirring the pot in this "Christian" theology forum serves no purpose except to cause further dissension. He knows better than to think Christianity will come around to his theology based more on the "seat of Moses" than the inspired and ordained writings of apostles including Paul. The OP knows that YHVH never intended for non-Jewish gentiles to adhere to the Law; which was even too heavy a yoke for His disciples (Acts:15:10) to follow.
Maybe, a CF administrator will see fit to close this thread and suggest the need for further training by this OP in training who decided to change the intent of this thread to the "seat of Moses" as if the writings of the Apostles (NT) takes a back seat to the seat of Moses. Does the OP actually believe that the "seat of Moses" is more important to Father GOD than the "seat of His own Son".
The Truth be known that the self-righteousness of the Judaic laws are inferior to the righteousness of GOD which is only possible via the indwelling and abiding baptism of His Spirit (born again) which was only possible via the Cross as atonement for mankind, both Jew and non-Jew (Galatians 3:28).
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