Christmas is of God or Pagan? Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?

We are told to have no part in the customs of the heathen and the ungodly. We know that the Lord has said we are not to adopt the customs/traditions of the heathens/ungodly.(Leviticus 18:2-5,24-30;19:1; Deut 12:29-32; Deut 18:9-14; Jer 10:1-3,8; 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:6-12) That we are instead to be separate from the world in our worship to God.(John 17:5-26[Especially 12-19], 15:16-21; 2 Cor 6:17; 1 John 2:15-17; 1 John 3:1; 1 John 4:4-8, 16). God from the beginning has favored one form of worship above another, with every form of worship he has instructed us in he is pleased with. Those that we are not instructed to do however do not please him and are called the works of unrighteousness even when dedicated to the Lord God YHWH(Genesis 4:3-5; 1 John 3:12; Deut 12:29-32). We are told time and again not to follow after the customs of the ungodly to worship God. That includes the observing of times, and days, and seasons, and the limiting of times to worship God, things that the Lord did not appoint for us to do(Deut 12:31-32; Deut 18:9-14; Jeremiah 10:1-3,8;Galatians 4:9-11 Colossians 2:8). The Lord has set forth a perfect form of worship that pleases him in all things, there is nothing to add to the Lord's perfect law, Perfect love, and perfect traditions. In fact we are instructed to keep the traditions as they were delivered by the apostles and Christ . Nowhere are we told that Appointed times or the things that please God would change. Instead we are told to keep the traditions, Laws, commandments, ordinances, Gospel, and Doctrine pure as they were given to us. No change necessary, no additions needed.
Keep the Commandments given by Christ(Matt 28:20 ;John 14:15,21,23-24; John 15:10-15,17; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 22:14)
Continued in Doctrine of the Apostles(Acts 2:42)
Declared all the counsel of God(Acts 20:26-28)
Laws of God (Rom 13:2,9-10)
Fully preached the Gospel of Christ(Romans 15:19,29)
Stablish according to the Gospel and preaching of Christ(Romans 16:25-27)
Paul has Planted the word(1 Cor 3:6)
Keep the Ordinances as delivered by the Apostles(1 Cor 11:1-2)
Acknowledge things spoken as commandments of the Lord(1 Cor 14:37)
Gospel received by Revelation of Christ(Gal 1:6-12)
Do the things we have learned, and received, and heard, and seen in Paul(Phillippians 4:9)
Know how we ought to walk, and what commandments(1 Thess 4:1-2)
Hold Fast to the word and Traditions we have been taught(2 Thess 2:14-17)
Do the things commanded by the Apostles(2 Thess 3:4,6)
Teach no other doctrine(1 Timothy 1:3-4)
Keep the sound words given by Paul(2 Timothy 1:13-14)
Fully known the Doctrine, continue in things learned(2 Tim 3:10, 14-15)
Observe these things(2 Tim 5:21)
Hold Fast to the Doctrine(Titus 1:9)
Christ the same today yesterday and tomorrow(Hebrews 13:8-9)
Holy word of God is of no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20-21)
Be mindful of the words spoken by the prophets and the commandments of the Apostles and Christ(2 Peter 3:1-2, 15-18)
Keep the Commandments(1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:22-24; 1 John 5:2-3)
Doctrine of Christ(2 John 9-10)

The doctrine of God is whole and perfect, if it were meant to be that we should keep the Anniversary of Christ's birth as a HolyDay then the date of his birth would be listed, a command given, and an example or mention of it being kept evidenced in scripture by the Apostles after Christ's death. Nothing of what is required is shown in God's word. Instead we are shown that the Host of Heaven celebrated only on the day of his birth, never do we see them doing it any other year of Christ's life or any year after his death and resurrection. The Practice of keeping Birthday anniversaries is shown only by Pagans in scripture, never by God, his people, or his Angels. Of Course we are to celebrate the Lord's birth, but we celebrate that act as we celebrate the rest of the events of God's life on earth not by the limiting of Days according to the pattern of the ungodly but according to daily rejoicing and in daily instruction in God's perfect word. Having fellowship as the Apostles did(Acts 2:46; Acts 5:42) and as God instructs us to do(Hebrews 10:22-25).

We do not need to incorporate pagan methods of worship into Christianity, the Lord has already given us so many ways to Glorify and worship him by. Is it a sad thing to think, that the Lord in his wisdom gave us a full list of things that he loves for us to do on earth for his worship? Is it sad to think that God loves us enough to have given us every way to worship him and show our love to him? Just as before(Deut 12:31-32) we need no additional methods made by man or by satan to worship God by. We cannot worship God with lies, because we must worship him in truth(John 4:24) and his WORD is truth(John 17:17; 2 Tim 2:15). We must rest in the inspired word, Doctrine, Traditions, and Customs of God(2 Tim 3:16) and not in the uninspired traditions of men(Colossians 2:8).

God bless and Guide you all to the truth and Light of God's word

Bro.T said:

No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ.

The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun).

Didn't Paul say in 1 Corinthians 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

Are these facts right or wrong? Is Paul right or wrong?

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Romans 14
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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


Paul said there was nothing wrong with eating meat sacrificed to idols! Imagine that! But if someone who may have a weak conscience is with you- don't eat for their sakes!

Paul is absolutely right! You runderstanding is what is wrong. YOu hold just like the JW's. If someone holds to teh pagan traditions surrounding Christmas trees- then yes they are drinking from cups of idols. It is the hearet here and not what stuff that makes it right or wrong.

It is just a tree. It is the individual that gives it a good or bad value.

Bro.T said:

Again, "Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Very simple, no tree, no bending down, choice is yours. Paul say in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

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Well I will make sure I do not bow down to worship Baal with a tree.

Bro.T said:

If I give any answer I don't believe it will change anything, so I will not answer.

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So you place high value on this statement from Jeremiah but violate many other old testament commands. OK then selective obedience is what that is called BTW.

Bro.T said:

That's true but that depends on the situation of circumstance. Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily. (Colossians 1: 26-29)

When people stand before God they will be without excuse

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And if a believer worships Baal with a tree, they will have to answer for it. Still be saved, but answer for it.

Bro.T said:

I"m sorry but Roman 14 will not work on a situation or topic as this. Let's see why in 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. You and I are going back and forth about something that Satan has created, and you refuse to see it or obey it.

A long way away from the North Pole! Also, according to Webster student dictionary, the definition for Nick, "The Devil" usually Old Nick. Now, is it possible to travel around the world in less than 24 hours stopping at every house? Reindeers don't fly; Christmas takes place in winter, so there's fire in the fireplaces to keep the house warm. What do you think would happen to a fat man trying to come down a chimney with a bag of toys on his back with a fire in the fireplace? If it's supposed to be Jesus birthday; why do we have to buy each other presents and what do we give him? A day filled with drinking, resulting in drunkenness, a day with a lot of fornication and adultery taking place. A day filled with lies pertaining to him. And what do a decorated tree, mistletoe, Yule logs, fire and lights have to do with Jesus?

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You are too concerned with the superficial at the expense of the heart attitude of people. Paul said it was okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols. For like he said an idol is NOTHING. In nearly all teh towns of gentiles, f you wanted to buy meat because you did not raise your own- most people got cooked meat at the "restaurant", which was in the back of the temple to their gods. The meat served and sold was offered to the false gods!

This is not an insult so please don't take it that way. I do not know how long you have been saved, but it seems like you need to spend more time in the desert, like Jesus, Moses, and Paul all did before they became "useful" to their capacities. You are too concerned with the externals while god is concerned with the heart. Learn this and you shall not be so harsh on your brothers and sisters.

Don't be like this I plead with you :

Luke 11:39
And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

Do not think that some superficial external thing that believers use to celebrate Jesus birth- no matter when they choose to do so, is perfectly fine with God!

Bro.T said:

World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) is what I used. You welcome to get in touch with them, about their History writing.

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Only 60 years out of date. The corporation was dissolved in 1960 so no point in trying to contact them.

Bro.T said:

Good info....Continuing from where you left off....

But if we got Christmas from the Roman Catholics, and they got it from paganism, where did the pagans get it? Where, when, and what was its real origin? It started and originated in the original Bablyhon of ancient Nimrod. Nimrod, grandson of Ham, son of Noah built the tower of Babel. Nimrod married his own mother, whose name is Semiramis. After Nimrod's, Semiramis claimed a full grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree.

Through her scheming and designing, Semiramis became the Babylonia "Queen of Heaven," and Nimrod, under various names, became the "divine son of heaven." Through the generations, in this idolatrius worship, Nimrod also became the false Messiah, son of Baal the Sun-god.

In the scriptures it written in Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

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This is all complete and utter hooey. Nimrod and Semiramis have no common history. She is not Nimrod's mother and wife. They lived centuries apart. The sum total of what we know about Semiramis is from the inscriptions under a few statues. Anything you read that purports to provide any other details is made up. Everything you have posted above is fiction, made up by Alexander Hislop. None of it has any basis in reality

Bro.T said:

Good info....Continuing from where you left off....

But if we got Christmas from the Roman Catholics, and they got it from paganism,

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Nope. This is wrong.

where did the pagans get it? Where, when, and what was its real origin? It started and originated in the original Bablyhon of ancient Nimrod.

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And here you descend into Hislopian nonsense.

Alexander Hislop literally made his claims up. He didn't have any sources, any evidence, nothing. He made things up, and generations of gullible people have taken his lies as though they were fact.

Alexander Hislop claimed that the ancient near eastern god Tammuz was the son of Nimrod and Semiramis. Where did he get this information? He didn't, he didn't get it from anywhere or from anyone. He made it up.

You can't be taken seriously if you are going to use Alexander Hislop as a source.

-CryptoLutheran

Jipsah said:

I didn't think it was particularly veiled.

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I was trying to be nice about it.

Bro.T said:

World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) is what I used. You welcome to get in touch with them, about their History writing.

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And here is an actual ancient source from the 6th century Roman historian John the Lydian (aka John Lydus),

"The Romans customarily divided their citizenry into three [groups] and distinguished those who were suitable for arms, those [who were suitable] for farming, and those [who were suitable] for hunting; and the season of winter brings an end to these [pursuits]. For in it, neither do they arm themselves, nor do they practice farming, because of the season’s cold and the shortness of the days—and hence in the old days they named it bruma, meaning “short day.” And Brumalia means “winter festivals”;[1] so at that time, until the Waxing of the Light,[2] ceasing from work, the Romans would greet each other with words of good omen at night, saying in their ancestral tongue, “Vives annos“—that is, “Live for years.”[3]

And the farming people would slaughter pigs for the worship of Cronus and Demeter[4]—and hence even now the “Pig-Slaughter” is observed in December. And the vine-dressers would sacrifice goats in honor of Dionysus—for the goat is an enemy of the vine; and they would skin them, fill the skin-bags with air and jump on them.[5] And the civic officials would also [offer as] the firstfruits of the collected harvest wine and olive oil, grain and honey and as many [products] of trees as endure and are preserved—they would make loaves without water and they would bring [all] these things to the priests of the [Great] Mother.[6] And this sort of custom is still observed even now; and in November and December, until the “Waxing of the Light,” they bring [these] things to the priests. For the [custom] of greeting [people] by name at the Brumalia is rather recent; and, the truth [is],[7] they call them “Cronian festivals”[8]—and because of this the Church turns away[9] from them. And they take place at night, because Cronus is in darkness, having been sent to Tartarus by Zeus—and they mysteriously signify[10] the grain, from its being sown in the ground and thereafter not being seen. And this is quite true, as has been said: The attention to [these] things goes on at night, such that finally, in truth, the Brumalia are festivals of the subterranean daemones." - John Lydus, De Mensibus 4.158 (source)

The Brumalia was a winter-time feasting season that lasted from the end of November until the winter solstice, December 21st. And which the Church in the Byzantine period actively sought to put an end to, but which continued underground.

So, again, no relation to Christmas.

-CryptoLutheran

Bro.T said:

Note: There's no scripture or verse in the Bible that will help you when it comes to serving a pagan God willfully.

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Since no one is doing this, your point is somewhat pointless.

I have no idea what the religious leanings (if any) Dr. Andrew Henry subscribes to, but he has a Ph.D in religious studies; and the presentation in the following video presents neither an apologetic nor a polemic, but rather an objective, academic look at the subject.


-CryptoLutheran

Bro.T said:

“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?

Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.

Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.

Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season. "It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.

Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.

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Every tradition we celebrate can be traced back to pagans by a creative enough individual. We chose a day to recognize the birth of Christ, to commemorate God's sacrifice for us. There's nothing wrong with that.

Thomas White said:

Every tradition we celebrate can be traced back to pagans by a creative enough individual. We chose a day to recognize the birth of Christ, to commemorate God's sacrifice for us. There's nothing wrong with that.

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What is crazy is the fact that some people focus on Christmas and Easter, and yet the Church celebrates every major event in the Gospels throughout the Liturgical year. Why do they never complain about the feast day of Epiphany, when we celebrate Christ's baptism? Why is there not indignation about the celebration of Jesus' turning water into wine at the wedding in Cana, or Jesus' feeding the 5000, His healing of the paralytic and the man born blind. Every one of these events and more are celebrated in the Liturgical calendar of the Church, which itself is modelled after the Liturgical calendar of the Jews which was established by God. We do not celebrate the shadows which were the Jewish feast days, but rather their fulfillment in Christ!

Bro.T said:

World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) is what I used. You welcome to get in touch with them, about their History writing.

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I suspect that would prove difficult as they're apparently out of business

prodromos said:

What is crazy is the fact that some people focus on Christmas and Easter, and yet the Church celebrates every major event in the Gospels throughout the Liturgical year. Why do they never complain about the feast day of Epiphany, when we celebrate Christ's baptism? Why is there not indignation about the celebration of Jesus' turning water into wine at the wedding in Cana, or Jesus' feeding the 5000, His healing of the paralytic and the man born blind. Every one of these events and more are celebrated in the Liturgical calendar of the Church, which itself is modelled after the Liturgical calendar of the Jews which was established by God. We do not celebrate the shadows which were the Jewish feast days, but rather their fulfillment in Christ!

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I would point out that I do speak out against the limiting of Days that the Lord did not command us to limit. There are only two days that are limited as holy by God. The first of these two days, is the Sabbath(Seventh Day) as it is Holy, it is our day of rest and worship. The second is the Lord's supper that we keep the day of Christ's death in memorial of what Christ did on the cross showing his death till he come it also is Holy. These two are holy days. To limit any other day and call it a holiday is spoken against in God's word. Instead of limiting certain days of the year to speak of Christ's deeds we are instead to speak daily about his word, and holy deeds as the Apostles did(Acts 2:46; Acts 5:42) that is what we see in God's word. So to be clear I follow the Bible and the consistent doctrine of Christ which means I speak out against every tradition of men used to worship God and that includes the limiting of days that the Lord did not set aside for us.

God bless you

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Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

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I think we're all on board with that.

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12).

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Still no argument there.

They are the instructions for the way we should conduct our lives. Yet throughout history we see people trying to side-step the laws of God.

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You mean like wearing cotton & polyesther blend fabrics, or eating shrimp, or taking pictures, or shaving, or not marrying foreigners?

Even today many Christian churches do not place as much emphasis on observing God's law as they do on ‘love’.

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They picked that up from our Lord Christ:
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

But the fact is, we need both!

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The fact is, we do neither. So we major in the minors, saying "Hey y'all, I keep all these commandments!". That's all very well, but we tend to skate over the ones we don't keep. like the ones our Lord said were the most important. If having a Christmas tree is a violation of God's Law (which I don't believe for an instant), then I reckon my error in that regard pales in comparison with my failure to love my neighbor as I ought. Sounds like you have that one knocked out of the park, though.

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified

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(Romans 2:13)

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Just so. He also said:
Galations 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

So we're not justified by the works of the Law, either God's Law or your imaginary law against Christmas. We're justified by Christ, or not at all.

1. Thou shalt have none other gods before me. (Deuteronomy 5:7)

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No problem there.

2. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

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I.E., no picture taking. Images is images.

3. Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God

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So don't worship the pictures you've taken. I'm OK with that. You?

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain

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for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. (Deuteronomy 5:9-11)

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No worries there.

But this is still ignoring the most important Law, which I'm persuaded that very few of us keep. I don't often love my neighbor as I do myself, and I have good reason to believe that you don't either. Does that worry you as much as the danger of having a cedar tree in your living room?

Before we can read any other commandments, this is how the Lord feels. If we say we love the Lord, shouldn't we do what he say? Yes!e, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say”? Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? John 7:19 (People want those truth tellers gone, so they could continue sinning at will)

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Fair play, but why do you keep leaning on the easy stuff? I'll bet except for taking pictures and maybe shaving, you keep most of the easy laws. BUt how about the Big Ones, like Loving Your Neighbor As You Do Yourself? Are you equally as consistent there? I can give up pork chops easily enough,
but i have a tough time loving my neighbors who are kind of jerks. You got that one beat?

We dealing with a Jealous God

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So we don't want to make Him think we're worshipping a long forgotten ancient pagan "deity" by worshipping Christ on a day close to the one where some long forgotten ancient dead pagans may have, but probably did not, worship their non-existent "god". Right.

Dunno about you, but somehow I doubt that God is about sending us to hell for worshipping Him on a date that is too close to the date when some people who in general no one now ever heard of worshipped an imaginary "god" who absolutely no one now believes in. The whole idea is ludicrous.

Note: There's no scripture or verse in the Bible that will help you when it comes to serving a pagan God willfully.

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I'll certainly bear that in mind.

Read your Bible from Genesis to Revelation and pray for understanding. Maybe I'll see you in that wilderness.

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I'd suggest starting with the Gospels, and then the rest of the New Testament, then the OT. I sometimes wonder if many folks ever get as far as Matthew.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:

We are told time and again not to follow after the customs of the ungodly to worship God. That includes the observing of times, and days, and seasons, and the limiting of times to worship God

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Unless someone has the idea that some pagans long ago danced quadrilles in honor of their frog deity on or near a particular date, in which case we're to observe that time, and a week on either side just in case, as theirs in perpetuity. Worshipping Christ is absolutely forbidden during the time owned (in fee simple) by the nonexistent frog god and and his benighted and long extinct followers, all 17 of them, lest God think that we're worshipping Froggy instead of Him and send us all to hell in a handbasket.

As we say in ham radio, QSL

The doctrine of God is whole and perfect, if it were meant to be that we should keep the Anniversary of Christ's birth as a HolyDay then the date of his birth would be listed, a command given, and an example or mention of it being kept evidenced in scripture by the Apostles after Christ's death.

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Your opinion is duly noted.

If you don't think that the birth and Resurrection of are Lord are all that significant, then by all means join the rest of the unbelieving world in ignoring them. Those of us who believe that those two events are the most important in the history of the universe will continue to celebrate them, despite all efforts by anyone to stop us.

we are shown that the Host of Heaven celebrated only on the day of his birth

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If you'd been there you may have been able to explain to them that they should not have done so.

we celebrate that act as we celebrate the rest of the events of God's life on earth not by the limiting of Days

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Except those days you consider to be owned by pagan fetishes, of course.

Jipsah said:

Unless someone has the idea that some pagans long ago danced quadrilles in honor of their frog deity on or near a particular date, in which case we're to observe that time, and a week on either side just in case, as theirs in perpetuity. Worshipping Christ is absolutely forbidden during the time owned (in fee simple) by the nonexistent frog god and and his benighted and long extinct followers, all 17 of them, lest God think that we're worshipping Froggy instead of Him and send us all to hell in a handbasket.

As we say in ham radio, QSL

Your opinion is duly noted.

If you don't think that the birth and Resurrection of are Lord are all that significant, then by all means join the rest of the unbelieving world in ignoring them. Those of us who believe that those two events are the most important in the history of the universe will continue to celebrate them, despite all efforts by anyone to stop us.

If you'd been there you may have been able to explain to them that they should not have done so.

Except those days you consider to be owned by pagan fetishes, of course.

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I agree with the above with the exception that I consider the conception of Christ to be far more significant than His birth.

Jipsah said:

Unless someone has the idea that some pagans long ago danced quadrilles in honor of their frog deity on or near a particular date, in which case we're to observe that time, and a week on either side just in case, as theirs in perpetuity. Worshipping Christ is absolutely forbidden during the time owned (in fee simple) by the nonexistent frog god and and his benighted and long extinct followers, all 17 of them, lest God think that we're worshipping Froggy instead of Him and send us all to hell in a handbasket.

As we say in ham radio, QSL

Your opinion is duly noted.

If you don't think that the birth and Resurrection of are Lord are all that significant, then by all means join the rest of the unbelieving world in ignoring them. Those of us who believe that those two events are the most important in the history of the universe will continue to celebrate them, despite all efforts by anyone to stop us.

If you'd been there you may have been able to explain to them that they should not have done so.

Except those days you consider to be owned by pagan fetishes, of course.

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The simple answer to every question of how to worship God is, was it kept by the Apostles and Christ or commanded to be kept by them? If not then we don't keep it since they delivered a complete Gospel, Law, and set of traditions for the worship of God. I gave the list of places in scripture that testify to this fact of God's word. If we ignore these words of God then your position makes sense. If we acknowledge the entirety of God's word and commandments it starts to fall apart. Can you show one place in God's word that the Apostles, Christ, the Host of Heaven or any of the early church keeping the Anniversary of Christ's birth?

I would ask that you not twist my words brother, as I have not distorted yours. I said that we celebrate these events in the manner set forth by the Apostles which is preaching teaching and rejoicing daily in study of God's word and in fellowship speaking of God's holy deeds. So again please do not change the word I speak or the meaning thereof. Thank you Brother.

Also brother I ask that you read all of what I have written since again I stated that the host of heaven celebrated Christ's birth on the actual day it took place since that was a glorious event. However as I stated before we never see the angels keeping or celebrating the anniversary of Christ's birth, if you can show in God's word where the angels kept the Anniversary of Christ's birth then you have a point. If you can't then there is no biblical ground to stand on, only the traditions and customs of men.

Days are not owned by Pagan festivals, customs are. We redeem the time since the days are evil, we don't follow in the traditions of the ungodly to worship God. That was the method of many unrighteous men in God's word. Starting at Cain who sought to worship God by means of his own creation and not after the pattern that pleased God. We worship God by the word of Truth given to us by the Apostles and Christ, can you show where the Apostles worshiped the Lord after the same pattern that you do?

God bless you brother