Merkel joins the liberal communist conspiracy to make COVID look real!

Subduction Zone said:

There are quite a few out there. I would suggest vetting your sources. This site is very useful and the link has a list of questionable sources:

Questionable Sources - Media Bias/Fact Check

If you want to know why the sites got that rating you can click on the title and it will tell you why it is rated as a questionable source.

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Couldn't find CNN on the list.

Ophiolite said:

Almost all, probably all, vaccines have the potential to kill people.
Almost all, probably all, surgical procedures have the potential to kill people.

Are you also oppossed to all surgical procedures? Do you deny that where the risks are small and the benefits large we should accept the risk?

Or do you just prefer making sharp, fatuous asserions without an ounce of support, assertions that create problems and seek to bury solutions?

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Mandatory procedures, yes I would be opposed. We get to decide if we have surgery.

We don't know the risks of the vaccine yet. We will after it's distributed. This is a list of what is expected from the fda.

Arc F1 said:

Sorry. Took me a minute to find it. I didn't want to post the pdf. This is from the fda.

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I am not going to listen to a 100 minute video. If you can point me to the place in the video where such a claim is made, then I will have a look.

Ophiolite said:

Put bluntly, in the absence of personal health issues, or ethical concerns, refusal to be vaccinated is socially irresponsible.

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QFT.

The uncomfortable fact is that we need to tread the delicate line between asserting this obvious truth and not running afoul of the rules about insulting members.

There is no debate here - not taking the vaccine (without valid medical reason of course) is basically a "sin", to use a category that should be familiar to all.

Let me be clear: there are issues about which reasonable people can disagree. One example would be the degree to which the government supports the poor. Another might be the required strength of the military. Yet another might be the way to address climate change.

But vaccination is not one of them - the facts are "settled": refusing to get vaccinated is not an ethical choice.

expos4ever said:

I am not going to listen to a 100 minute video. If you can point me to the place in the video where such a claim is made, then I will have a look.

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The whole thing is important if you are concerned about the virus. I don't remember where it is in the video.

Here is some good information also.
The COVID Vaccine Is Here … And So Are Potential Side Effects … - Activist Post

Arc F1 said:

The whole thing is important if you are concerned about the virus. I don't remember where it is in the video.

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I watched the whole thing live yesterday and there was no indication that anyone had died due to the vaccine. Why are you spreading falsehoods about the vaccine in the middle of a pandemic? That's truly despicable.

Arc F1 said:

Covid isn't the issue, it's the mass hysteria from all the false positives. Then comes a vaccine that is killing people. I've been listening to the narrative that if you don't take the vaccine you are bad. Then this morning I starting seeing exemptions start.

Coca Cola tests positive for Covid…

Cornell U. Offers Exemption to Mandatory Flu Vaccine Policy for 'BIPOC' Students

https://www.[bless and do not curse...s and do not curse]ute.com/video/DCSnIcvnQBfJ

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An exemption...for BIPOC? Can we say unconstitutional and racist? If there is an exemption, it needs to be evenly applied.

Arc F1 said:

The whole thing is important if you are concerned about the virus. I don't remember where it is in the video.

Here is some good information also.
The COVID Vaccine Is Here … And So Are Potential Side Effects … - Activist Post

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The bottom line is this: of course, there are risks with vaccines! Everyone know this. But it is not a valid argument to forego the vaccine. The present evidence shows clearly that the benefits of the vaccine significantly outweigh the risks.

To refuse the vaccine is simply not a rational choice. It is fine for you (and others) to refuse the vaccine if you are willing to abdicate your right to mix in society. But is deeply misleading to argue that such a choice is reasonable - refusing to take the vaccine because there is a remote possibility that you will die is like refusing to eat because you might die from food poisoning.

expos4ever said:

The bottom line is this: of course, there are risks with vaccines! Everyone know this. But it is not a valid argument to forego the vaccine. The present evidence shows clearly that the benefits of the vaccine significantly outweigh the risks.

To refuse the vaccine is simply not a rational choice. It is fine for you (and others) to refuse the vaccine if you are willing to abdicate your right to mix in society. But is deeply misleading to argue that such a choice is reasonable - refusing to take the vaccine because there is a remote possibility that you will die is like refusing to eat because you might die from food poisoning.

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What is the vaccine supposed to do?

Is it supposed to make the vaccinerad immune
to covid?

Arc F1 said:

Couldn't find CNN on the list.

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That's right. It is reasonably reliable. Just think how bad the sources you use are in comparison.

Robban said:

What is the vaccine supposed to do?

Is it supposed to make the vaccinerad immune
to covid?

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That is the general idea of vaccines.

Robban said:

What is the vaccine supposed to do?

Is it supposed to make the vaccinerad immune
to covid?

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It will stop you from getting ill with covid. It's not known to what extent it might stop transmission of the disease, but given the high efficacy, the smart money would be that it will - once again, to some extent

Arc F1 said:

The whole thing is important if you are concerned about the virus. I don't remember where it is in the video.

Here is some good information also.
The COVID Vaccine Is Here … And So Are Potential Side Effects … - Activist Post

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When a site relies on an unreliable source one gets unreliable news.

Subduction Zone said:

That is the general idea of vaccines.

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So if I take the vaccine I will no longer be a
danger to anyone else?

Robban said:

So if I take the vaccine I will no longer be a
danger to anyone else?

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Probably. It will greatly increase the odds of that.

And governments may not be able to enforce people getting the vaccine, but they could limit where people that refused the vaccine could go. For example I could see a ban on eating at restaurants by those that refuse to get vaccinated. One is free to put oneself at risk, but one does not have the right to put others at risk.

Subduction Zone said:

Probably. It will greatly increase the odds of that.

And governments may not be able to enforce people getting the vaccine, but they could limit where people that refused the vaccine could go. For example I could see a ban on eating at restaurants by those that refuse to get vaccinated. One is free to put oneself at risk, but one does not have the right to put others at risk.

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OK,thanks for your reply.

Nice to speak with a reasonable person.

I am not against vaccination btw.

Subduction Zone said:

One is free to put oneself at risk, but one does not have the right to put others at risk.

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Of course you get to pick and choose what defines "risk" and who the injured parties are presumed to be. A very malleable device.

Subduction Zone said:

Probably. It will greatly increase the odds of that.

And governments may not be able to enforce people getting the vaccine, but they could limit where people that refused the vaccine could go. For example I could see a ban on eating at restaurants by those that refuse to get vaccinated. One is free to put oneself at risk, but one does not have the right to put others at risk.

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One thought came,

how will you prove you have been vaccinated?

A paper or a card can be forged.

Maybe "OK" stamped on your forehead,

haha, like in the Walt Disney Santa's workshop.

Robban said:

One thought came,

how will you prove you have been vaccinated?

A paper or a card can be forged.

Maybe "OK" stamped on your forehead,

haha, like in the Walt Disney Santa's workshop.

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Yes, some sort of card is in the works, not least because it will remind you when to get the booster. Remember, you will need a second shot three weeks after your first one to get full immunity.

Robban said:

One thought came,

how will you prove you have been vaccinated?

A paper or a card can be forged.

Maybe "OK" stamped on your forehead,

haha, like in the Walt Disney Santa's workshop.

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At about 3:46 in this vid.