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Revelation 13:11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.12It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence,c and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.

The FP exercises authority of the First Beast in it's presence. Whose fatal wound was healed. Sounds human to me.

Revelation 13:14and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

The FP deceives those who dwell on earth "telling them to make an image of the beast "wounded and yet lived"

The fatal head wound is the key. An image doesn't have that.

With todays technology that image could be a lot of things. Keep watch for a guy with a head wound yet lives
No, the FP is the beast that was, is not, yet was. Revelation 12:18 - Revelation 13:15

18 Then the dragon (Satan) stood on the seashore; and I saw a beast (Daniel's beast) come up out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads. On its horns were ten royal crowns and on its heads blasphemous names. 2 The beast which I saw was like a leopard, but with feet like those of a bear and a mouth like the mouth of a lion. To it (political/religious system) the dragon (Satan) gave its power, its throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads (FP) of the beast appeared to have received a fatal wound, but its fatal wound was healed, and the whole earth followed after the beast in amazement.
4 They worshipped the dragon (Satan), because he had given his authority to the beast (FP); and they worshipped the beast (FP), saying,

“Who is like the beast?
Who can fight against it?(the FP is the it in the following verses)”

5 It was given a mouth speaking arrogant blasphemies; and it was given authority to act for forty-two months.
6 So it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to insult his name and his Sh’khinah, and those living in heaven;
7 it was allowed to make war on God’s holy people and to defeat them; and it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

Then I saw another beast (Satan) coming up out of the earth. It had two horns like those of a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.
12 Satan exercises all the authority of the FP (Satan gave the FP that authority) in the FP's presence; and Satan makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the FP, the one whose fatal wound had been healed.
13 Satan performs great miracles, even causing fire to come down from heaven onto the earth as people watch.
14 Satan deceives the people living on earth by the miracles it is allowed to perform in the presence of the FP, and Satan tells them to make an image honoring the FP that was struck by the sword but came alive again.
15 Satan was allowed to put breath into the AC, so that the AC (image of the beast) could even speak; and Satan was allowed to cause anyone who would not worship the AC to be put to death.

Daniel 11:36-39

36 “The king (FP) will do as he pleases. He will exalt himself and consider himself greater than any god, and he will utter monstrous blasphemies against the God of gods. He (FP) will prosper only until the period of wrath is over, for what has been determined must take place.
37 He (FP) will show no respect for the gods his ancestors worshipped, or for the god women worship — he (FP) won’t show respect for any god, because he (FP) will consider himself greater than all of them.
38 But instead, he (FP) will honor the god (Satan) of strongholds; with gold, silver, precious stones and other costly things he (FP) will honor a god (Satan) unknown to his ancestors.
39 He (FP) will deal with the strongest fortresses with the help of a foreign god (Satan). He (FP) will confer honor on those he (FP) acknowledges, causing them to rule over many and distributing land as a reward.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-11

3 For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man (Satan as a Greek god, adopted by the FP) who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one (Satan) destined for doom.
4 He (Satan) will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?
6 And now you know what is restraining (the Holy Spirit), so that he (Satan) may be revealed in his own time.
7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he (the Holy Spirit) who is restraining is out of the way.
8 Then the one (FP) who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one (FP) whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.
9 When this man (FP) who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary (Satan) will give him (FP) the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders.
10 He (Satan) will enable him (FP) to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them. (They did not recieve the work of the Holy Spirit while the Holy Spirit was restraining)
11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie.

This Satan FP duo was mentioned 3 places in warning. Daniel prophesied an event prior to the First Coming of Christ that Jesus alludes to has happened and will happen. Paul says it was at work, before his time and Satan would keep working until being revealed around the time the Holy Spirit would no longer be restraining. John then places this future event as a interruption of the 7th Trumpet. A 42 month extension, and this time Satan makes an image of the FP, so a human machine that has artificial intelligence and can think and talk on it's own, and presented as a Messiah to the deceived humans after the Second Coming already happened.

The team of 3 is given 42 months to turn the rest of humanity into marked, reprobate, worshippers of this leadership, whose names are now removed permanently from the Lamb's book of life. To endure this time is to get one's head chopped off before God stamps the mark 666 on the forehead and removes names from the Lamb's book of life. 666 is the mark of Adam. 6 1000 year periods of work by the sweat of the brow, 6 days a week, 6 hours a day. The church has had 1990 years to help lift that burden by serving Christ instead of Satan, the god of this world. Instead, all we like sheep have gone astray, we have done that which is right in our own eyes. Instead of a city on a hill with a bright light, we have thousands of different colored lights each claiming to be the true light.

What is exposing Satan? Does Satan expose himself to pre-empt prophecy as a lie? Does the 4th Seal event expose Satan and Death, and later Satan is perceived good and Death is the destroyer of life? How is Death now a collector of souls, whose names are definitely never found in the Lamb's book of life? If the Holy Spirit is no longer restraining, God and the Lamb are physically on the earth, and the Lamb's book of life opened, so names can be removed, then Death is a place where those in it are not in the Lamb's book of life, because it is now eternal damnation. Those in sheol are those dead before the Lamb's book of life was opened, and they will only be removed from the Lamb's book of life at the GWT.

At the Second Coming, when the Lamb, on the earth, is separating the sheep and goats, the souls of the goats go immediately to Death at that time. Their names permanently removed from the Lamb's book of life. Then when the tares are burned up, those souls will go straight to Death, their names removed from the Lamb's book of life. This final harvest is the dead being sent to their eternal living condition. The living dead, not the dead dead. Those resurrected in Revelation 20:4, escape Death, but also are not in the church. The Holy Spirit was not at work in their lives. They were chosen by God, they did not chose God on their own. This is not last minute, left behind salvation. This is God's grace changing some humanity to repopulate the earth. Those who deny God's 1000 years, would just condemn these sheep and wheat to eternal damnation. Post trib people think God and the Lamb do not come to earth in the 6th Seal, and conduct the final harvest, as a means to repopulate the earth. They think they will make it through to populate the earth.

Only those resurrected in permanent, incorruptible bodies can populate the earth. That is not the church. The church is glorified and in Paradise, waiting for the Lord's Day to end, one day for them. Where does it state God changes living bodies at the battle of Armageddon? It says every last person alive will be killed by the sword in the mouth of Jesus Christ. Only those marked will still be alive, and they all will be killed. Sent into Death, eternal damnation, names not found in the Lamb's book of life 1000 years prior to the GWT, itself and the Second Death. It is God in Revelation 20:14 that makes a distinction between Death and sheol. The restraining of the Holy Spirit when taken away changes death itself, not just eternal life. Choice is taken away. That is why Paul says they, any one left after the Second Coming at the 6th Seal will belief the Lie.

Yes, God will choose many sheep and much wheat, but this final harvest is not the CHURCH! It is for the last 1000 years of this creation to fill the earth before the NHNE. 5990 years God has collected the church into Paradise with the seal and restraining power of the Holy Spirit. 1990 years of that the church has had the person of the Holy Spirit in addition to the seal and restraining of the Holy Spirit. The Second Coming ends that condition. Satan and the FP start to make a stir during the final harvest, but we have not been told the full details and much speculation for 1900 years on the topic. Many have set the Battle of Armageddon as the Second Coming, but that does not fit Scripture. It contradicts Scripture. It has not even been correctly associated with the 7th Trumpet. Now people want to chronologically rearrange Revelation to make their theology even work.
 
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No, the FP is the beast that was, is not, yet was. Revelation 12:18 - Revelation 13:15

18 Then the dragon (Satan) stood on the seashore; and I saw a beast (Daniel's beast) come up out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads. On its horns were ten royal crowns and on its heads blasphemous names. 2 The beast which I saw was like a leopard, but with feet like those of a bear and a mouth like the mouth of a lion. To it (political/religious system) the dragon (Satan) gave its power, its throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads (FP) of the beast appeared to have received a fatal wound, but its fatal wound was healed, and the whole earth followed after the beast in amazement.
4 They worshipped the dragon (Satan), because he had given his authority to the beast (FP); and they worshipped the beast (FP), saying,

“Who is like the beast?
Who can fight against it?(the FP is the it in the following verses)”

5 It was given a mouth speaking arrogant blasphemies; and it was given authority to act for forty-two months.
6 So it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to insult his name and his Sh’khinah, and those living in heaven;
7 it was allowed to make war on God’s holy people and to defeat them; and it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

Then I saw another beast (Satan) coming up out of the earth. It had two horns like those of a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.
12 Satan exercises all the authority of the FP (Satan gave the FP that authority) in the FP's presence; and Satan makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the FP, the one whose fatal wound had been healed.
13 Satan performs great miracles, even causing fire to come down from heaven onto the earth as people watch.
14 Satan deceives the people living on earth by the miracles it is allowed to perform in the presence of the FP, and Satan tells them to make an image honoring the FP that was struck by the sword but came alive again.
15 Satan was allowed to put breath into the AC, so that the AC (image of the beast) could even speak; and Satan was allowed to cause anyone who would not worship the AC to be put to death.

Daniel 11:36-39


36 “The king (FP) will do as he pleases. He will exalt himself and consider himself greater than any god, and he will utter monstrous blasphemies against the God of gods. He (FP) will prosper only until the period of wrath is over, for what has been determined must take place.
37 He (FP) will show no respect for the gods his ancestors worshipped, or for the god women worship — he (FP) won’t show respect for any god, because he (FP) will consider himself greater than all of them.
38 But instead, he (FP) will honor the god (Satan) of strongholds; with gold, silver, precious stones and other costly things he (FP) will honor a god (Satan) unknown to his ancestors.
39 He (FP) will deal with the strongest fortresses with the help of a foreign god (Satan). He (FP) will confer honor on those he (FP) acknowledges, causing them to rule over many and distributing land as a reward.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-11

3 For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man (Satan as a Greek god, adopted by the FP) who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one (Satan) destined for doom.
4 He (Satan) will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?
6 And now you know what is restraining (the Holy Spirit), so that he (Satan) may be revealed in his own time.
7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he (the Holy Spirit) who is restraining is out of the way.
8 Then the one (FP) who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one (FP) whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.
9 When this man (FP) who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary (Satan) will give him (FP) the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders.
10 He (Satan) will enable him (FP) to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them. (They did not recieve the work of the Holy Spirit while the Holy Spirit was restraining)
11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie.

This Satan FP duo was mentioned 3 places in warning. Daniel prophesied an event prior to the First Coming of Christ that Jesus alludes to has happened and will happen. Paul says it was at work, before his time and Satan would keep working until being revealed around the time the Holy Spirit would no longer be restraining. John then places this future event as a interruption of the 7th Trumpet. A 42 month extension, and this time Satan makes an image of the FP, so a human machine that has artificial intelligence and can think and talk on it's own, and presented as a Messiah to the deceived humans after the Second Coming already happened.

The team of 3 is given 42 months to turn the rest of humanity into marked, reprobate, worshippers of this leadership, whose names are now removed permanently from the Lamb's book of life. To endure this time is to get one's head chopped off before God stamps the mark 666 on the forehead and removes names from the Lamb's book of life. 666 is the mark of Adam. 6 1000 year periods of work by the sweat of the brow, 6 days a week, 6 hours a day. The church has had 1990 years to help lift that burden by serving Christ instead of Satan, the god of this world. Instead, all we like sheep have gone astray, we have done that which is right in our own eyes. Instead of a city on a hill with a bright light, we have thousands of different colored lights each claiming to be the true light.

What is exposing Satan? Does Satan expose himself to pre-empt prophecy as a lie? Does the 4th Seal event expose Satan and Death, and later Satan is perceived good and Death is the destroyer of life? How is Death now a collector of souls, whose names are definitely never found in the Lamb's book of life? If the Holy Spirit is no longer restraining, God and the Lamb are physically on the earth, and the Lamb's book of life opened, so names can be removed, then Death is a place where those in it are not in the Lamb's book of life, because it is now eternal damnation. Those in sheol are those dead before the Lamb's book of life was opened, and they will only be removed from the Lamb's book of life at the GWT.

At the Second Coming, when the Lamb, on the earth, is separating the sheep and goats, the souls of the goats go immediately to Death at that time. Their names permanently removed from the Lamb's book of life. Then when the tares are burned up, those souls will go straight to Death, their names removed from the Lamb's book of life. This final harvest is the dead being sent to their eternal living condition. The living dead, not the dead dead. Those resurrected in Revelation 20:4, escape Death, but also are not in the church. The Holy Spirit was not at work in their lives. They were chosen by God, they did not chose God on their own. This is not last minute, left behind salvation. This is God's grace changing some humanity to repopulate the earth. Those who deny God's 1000 years, would just condemn these sheep and wheat to eternal damnation. Post trib people think God and the Lamb do not come to earth in the 6th Seal, and conduct the final harvest, as a means to repopulate the earth. They think they will make it through to populate the earth.

Only those resurrected in permanent, incorruptible bodies can populate the earth. That is not the church. The church is glorified and in Paradise, waiting for the Lord's Day to end, one day for them. Where does it state God changes living bodies at the battle of Armageddon? It says every last person alive will be killed by the sword in the mouth of Jesus Christ. Only those marked will still be alive, and they all will be killed. Sent into Death, eternal damnation, names not found in the Lamb's book of life 1000 years prior to the GWT, itself and the Second Death. It is God in Revelation 20:14 that makes a distinction between Death and sheol. The restraining of the Holy Spirit when taken away changes death itself, not just eternal life. Choice is taken away. That is why Paul says they, any one left after the Second Coming at the 6th Seal will belief the Lie.

Yes, God will choose many sheep and much wheat, but this final harvest is not the CHURCH! It is for the last 1000 years of this creation to fill the earth before the NHNE. 5990 years God has collected the church into Paradise with the seal and restraining power of the Holy Spirit. 1990 years of that the church has had the person of the Holy Spirit in addition to the seal and restraining of the Holy Spirit. The Second Coming ends that condition. Satan and the FP start to make a stir during the final harvest, but we have not been told the full details and much speculation for 1900 years on the topic. Many have set the Battle of Armageddon as the Second Coming, but that does not fit Scripture. It contradicts Scripture. It has not even been correctly associated with the 7th Trumpet. Now people want to chronologically rearrange Revelation to make their theology even work.
To me it's obvious the Beast and FP are two separate men. One comes from the see, the other from the earth/land. Satan, the Dragon gives the 1st Beast his authority, they're not the same. My understanding is the False Prophet is a false Elijah and the 1st Beast from the sea is a false resurrected christ.

Revelation 13:
4And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast


Did you come up with this on your own or is there a teacher teaching this theory. If so could you supply the info on this teacher/Pastor
 
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To me it's obvious the Beast and FP are two separate men. One comes from the see, the other from the earth/land. Satan, the Dragon gives the 1st Beast his authority, they're not the same. My understanding is the False Prophet is a false Elijah and the 1st Beast from the sea is a false resurrected christ.

Revelation 13:
4And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast


Did you come up with this on your own or is there a teacher teaching this theory. If so could you supply the info on this teacher/Pastor
Just a comparison reading of all 3 Scriptures and the one in Revelation 16:13

13 And I saw three unclean spirits that looked like frogs; they came from the mouth of the dragon, from the mouth of the beast and from the mouth of the false prophet.

There is only 3: Satan, the FP, and the image. Satan repeats what God does in creating his own Adam. That is the mystery of the number 666. I guess it is too simple of an explanation, and some want a more sinister, or complex explanation.
 
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Just a comparison reading of all 3 Scriptures and the one in Revelation 16:13

13 And I saw three unclean spirits that looked like frogs; they came from the mouth of the dragon, from the mouth of the beast and from the mouth of the false prophet.

There is only 3: Satan, the FP, and the image. Satan repeats what God does in creating his own Adam. That is the mystery of the number 666. I guess it is too simple of an explanation, and some want a more sinister, or complex explanation.
FP causes the people to build the "Image" no need to get rude. So you came about this theory on your own
 
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Are we not in fact within close proximity of fulfilment? Beast could stand for globalist world system. Dragon would obviously be China. False prophet could be Islam. These three are the sworn enemies of Christ. The second beast who helps the first one may be our modern media and academic establishment, also essentially anti-Christian although not always as openly so as the rest.

As to the mystery number 666, I noticed that Chairman Xi was 66 years and 6 months old in Dec 2019 when the COVID19 virus was apparently unleashed from Wuhan on the world. If one took that as a deliberate act, it would fit into the general framework of the beast-dragon-666 prophecy. All of which indicates that we are into the tribulation.
 
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As to the mystery number 666, I noticed that Chairman Xi was 66 years and 6 months old in Dec 2019 when the COVID19 virus was apparently unleashed from Wuhan on the world. If one took that as a deliberate act, it would fit into the general framework of the beast-dragon-666 prophecy. All of which indicates that we are into the tribulation.
the 666 is the number of the person's name. The beast person is not Xi, for a multitude of reasons, too lengthy for me to go into.

Welcome to the forum, btw, :). I think you have a long way to go in your eschatology, but everyone starts from zero. (I am not saying you are at zero).
 
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Are we not in fact within close proximity of fulfilment? Beast could stand for globalist world system. Dragon would obviously be China. False prophet could be Islam. These three are the sworn enemies of Christ. The second beast who helps the first one may be our modern media and academic establishment, also essentially anti-Christian although not always as openly so as the rest.

As to the mystery number 666, I noticed that Chairman Xi was 66 years and 6 months old in Dec 2019 when the COVID19 virus was apparently unleashed from Wuhan on the world. If one took that as a deliberate act, it would fit into the general framework of the beast-dragon-666 prophecy. All of which indicates that we are into the tribulation.
Revelation 13:16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave,e to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

For starters it is the number of his name. People disagree if it's the numerical value of Greek or Hebrew Secondly, it's not three 6's. It's six hundred and sixty six.
 
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Revelation 13:16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave,e to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
I bolded the other part of the text. The 666 is the number of a man's name... that involves counting.

The kjv reads a little differently... "his" name, not "its" name.

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
 
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FP causes the people to build the "Image" no need to get rude. So you came about this theory on your own
I don't know the answer to that question. If I state something is my opinion, then it is probably "on my own".

The FP builds an image of himself? The image is the messiah, if not in human form, what form is this messiah? Then you have 3 beast plus Satan, the dragon. How do you go from 4 to 3 in chapter 16?
 
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Revelation 13:16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave,e to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

For starters it is the number of his name. People disagree if it's the numerical value of Greek or Hebrew Secondly, it's not three 6's. It's six hundred and sixty six.
It is the name of the image. What name did Satan and the FP give to the image? It is also a man's name. The image is referred to as the beast in verse 18, again in Revelation 16:13

13 And I saw three unclean spirits that looked like frogs; they came from the mouth of the dragon, from the mouth of the beast and from the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 19:20

20 But the beast was taken captive, and with it the false prophet who, in its presence, had done the miracles which he had used to deceive those who had received the mark of the beast and those who had worshipped his image. The beast and the false prophet were both thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Revelation 20:10

10 The Adversary who had deceived them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
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I don't know the answer to that question. If I state something is my opinion, then it is probably "on my own".

The FP builds an image of himself? The image is the messiah, if not in human form, what form is this messiah? Then you have 3 beast plus Satan, the dragon. How do you go from 4 to 3 in chapter 16?
I was just trying to see if you learned your theory from a teacher. I wanted to look him/her up to try to see how you got to where you are.

The FP tells the people to build an image of the Beast

Revelation 13: 14and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

I don't go from 4 to 3 - Revelation 16: 13And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.

I believe it as written, three distinct entities.
 
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Are we not in fact within close proximity of fulfilment? Beast could stand for globalist world system. Dragon would obviously be China. False prophet could be Islam. These three are the sworn enemies of Christ. The second beast who helps the first one may be our modern media and academic establishment, also essentially anti-Christian although not always as openly so as the rest.

As to the mystery number 666, I noticed that Chairman Xi was 66 years and 6 months old in Dec 2019 when the COVID19 virus was apparently unleashed from Wuhan on the world. If one took that as a deliberate act, it would fit into the general framework of the beast-dragon-666 prophecy. All of which indicates that we are into the tribulation.

The Rev.13:1 first beast system is a kingdom, but it is most definitely what today's globalist system is about. The difference today is that its king they intend to setup over all nations hasn't arrived yet.

The Biblical term "dragon" we are told is simply another title for Satan himself (Rev.12:9). So Biblically, assigning a country to it goes outside Biblical bounds. So does the idea of the false prophet being of Islam go outside the Biblical pointer to the coming Antichrist, which is shown in God's Word will be a mimic of Christ/Messiah. We have to stay within Biblical bounds for the symbols which God set.
 
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The Rev.13:1 first beast system is a kingdom, but it is most definitely what today's globalist system is about. The difference today is that its king they intend to setup over all nations hasn't arrived yet.

The Biblical term "dragon" we are told is simply another title for Satan himself (Rev.12:9). So Biblically, assigning a country to it goes outside Biblical bounds. So does the idea of the false prophet being of Islam go outside the Biblical pointer to the coming Antichrist, which is shown in God's Word will be a mimic of Christ/Messiah. We have to stay within Biblical bounds for the symbols which God set.
If you go by what Mohammed wanted, Islam would be the religion of Hagar, the Mt. Sinai religion of Ishmael.
 
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If you go by what Mohammed wanted, Islam would be the religion of Hagar, the Mt. Sinai religion of Ishmael.

To understand the meaning of symbols in God's Word, we have to heed it especially when His Word 'explains' the meaning of a symbol.

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

KJV
 
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I am aware that the mystery number is assumed to be a letter (of name) code but in what language do people consider it appropriate to derive the code? If we are being that literal, then would we not need to use Aramaic or Greek? or Latin? And if English, why so? And if that loose on the details, why not some other coded answer that gives the result 666 (such as the one I provided).

I hope people are aware that what is actually going to happen is this -- nobody will crack the code in advance, Jesus will appear and explain it to people at that time. I just wanted to illustrate that any valid candidate could probably be linked to the number 666 somehow or other (especially if you don't have to add up letter codes from their name). As to Chairman Xi, XI = 24x9 = 216 = 6*6*6

(that's 6 x 6 x 6 for you non-math types)
 
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Satan has been restrained by the Holy Spirit since the birth of Seth.

Many understand Satan has been in bed with human government since the tower of Babel.

Will Satan send out his FP after Christ is on earth? Yes. Will Satan send out the FP preemptively causing the tribulation of those days prior to the Second Coming? That is what people think. The problem with timing though, is not necessarily biblical in application. If Satan presents a front, the Second Coming will steal the thunder of such an act. The Second Coming is going to change everything. So to steal God's Thunder, Satan will present the FP and Himself as a better option, thus he will act after the Second Coming, which is how John places the events. The Seals first (Second Coming), then the Trumpets, then the Thunders, then the 7th Trumpet starts, and then Satan is kicked out of heaven and presents the FP and himself as a better way. Then God gives Satan 42 months. At the end the mess is destroyed at the battle of Armageddon.

Satan is already revealed as the deceiver of the world. Does not mean he is brought out by some well known evangelist like a Billy Graham and brought in front of TV cameras to the United Nations and the world Court to be tried for deception. Most people will never acknowledge what the deception is. Only the Second Coming will break this deception and humanity will have to deal with the fallout after the fact. There is no preparation for the Second Coming because it is a thief in the night, surprise, that will even leave the church stunned. Of course for only a split second before their bodies are changed from surprised corruption, to glorified incorruption.

Yes, Christians can be prepared by doing what Paul declares. Crucify the flesh daily.
 
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