GOD'S DIETARY LAWS AND BAT SOUP STEW - COVID 19

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Yes. He was discussing how Peter was living as a Gentile, eating Gentile food. You're intentionally ignoring that.

I do not ignore the bible. This has obviously nothing to do with Peter's vision. Name the verse that states this has to do with Peter's vision. Peter said what it was about.
 
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So then you admit that Peter did eat Gentile food and that Paul rebuked him for trying to act like he didn't, right?

That is not the subject at hand---it is the meaning of Peter's vision. Which is decidedly about people and not food.
 
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Yes. He was discussing how Peter was living as a Gentile, eating Gentile food. You're intentionally ignoring that.

Actually dear friend your interpretation of Galatians 2 with Paul rebuking Peter for (as you claim) eating unclean food with the Gentile believers is not true. The bible says nothing about Peter eating unclean food at Antioch. Most of the scholars place this time period before the Jerusalem Council of Acts of the Apostles 15 where the issue there was over circumcision where before that time most believed that Jews should not mix with Gentile believers unless they were first circumcised (those of the circumcision viewed Gentiles as unclean).

The city of Antioch (where people were first called Christians: Acts of the Apostles 11:26) was where this occurred. It was a city that had a large population of Gentile Christians. Peter ate meals with these Christians on a regular basis. There is no scripture that says Peter ate unclean meat. Your reading into the scriptures here what the scriptures do not say and does not teach. A Jew sharing meals with a Gentile was something that had previously been unacceptable according to Jewish tradition (see Acts of the Apostles 10:28) as Gentiles were considered unclean (Acts of the Apostles 10:9-48). However, God nullified this tradition when He told Peter in a vision that Gentiles should not be considered unclean (Acts of the Apostles 10:1-11:18). This acceptance of Gentile Christians was later reaffirmed during the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:1-29).

Paul called Peter a hypocrite. He believed one thing, but did something else. As a leader in the church, he was to set a good example for others, but instead, his hypocritical actions led others astray (other Jews followed his lead “even Barnabas” Galatians 2:13). He also acted in complete opposition to the vision God had given him earlier in Acts of the Apostles 10 where God showed him that the Gentile believers were to be considered equal to the Jewish believers and no longer unclean.

Hope this helps.
 
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I think this is the most important question to consider Julie. Who are we following God or the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God? Although, many I know do so out of ignorance because they do not seek to know God's Word through his Spirit but seek to know him who loves us through the eyes of others.

God bless.
 
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That is not the subject at hand---it is the meaning of Peter's vision. Which is decidedly about people and not food.
The topic of the thread is dietary law. That you think otherwise calls into question your reliability in summarizing what you read.

It was a city that had a large population of Gentile Christians. Peter ate meals with these Christians on a regular basis. There is no scripture that says Peter ate unclean meat.
By definition, Gentile food is unclean. Any food that isn't slaughtered according to the laws of kashrut and prepared in a kitchen that has been purified according to the laws of kashrut is unclean. Even if Gentiles weren't eating pork and shellfish (which they were), every single thing they served was unclean.

You can ignore the clear meaning of scripture and the clear testimony of the entire church all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. You quite simply have no clue what the word "unclean" means in the context of the Mosaic Law.

Most of the scholars place this time period before the Jerusalem Council...
Aren't you one of those people who hold to the man-made idea of sola scriptura? If so, you can't use arguments like that.

Unless y'all start making rational arguments, I see no reason to continue here. Any dispassionate observer will by now see how absurd your position is, even if you don't.
 
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The topic of the thread is dietary law. That you think otherwise calls into question your reliability in summarizing what you read.


By definition, Gentile food is unclean. Any food that isn't slaughtered according to the laws of kashrut and prepared in a kitchen that has been purified according to the laws of kashrut is unclean. Even if Gentiles weren't eating pork and shellfish (which they were), every single thing they served was unclean.

You can ignore the clear meaning of scripture and the clear testimony of the entire church all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. You quite simply have no clue what the word "unclean" means in the context of the Mosaic Law.


Aren't you one of those people who hold to the man-made idea of sola scriptura? If so, you can't use arguments like that.

Unless y'all start making rational arguments, I see no reason to continue here. Any dispassionate observer will by now see how absurd your position is, even if you don't.


It is not my opinion. I was quoting the word of God and asked for the verse where Peter states---"of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of meats." All I can find is "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" anywhere in this vision passage. Since you can not give me that verse you are right---there is no need to continue this for all you can present is the opinions of men instead of the clear word of God. It is quite clear who is following the word of God and who isn't.
 
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Actually dear friend your interpretation of Galatians 2 with Paul rebuking Peter for (as you claim) eating unclean food with the Gentile believers is not true. The bible says nothing about Peter eating unclean food at Antioch. Most of the scholars place this time period before the Jerusalem Council of Acts of the Apostles 15 where the issue there was over circumcision where before that time most believed that Jews should not mix with Gentile believers unless they were first circumcised (those of the circumcision viewed Gentiles as unclean).

The city of Antioch (where people were first called Christians: Acts of the Apostles 11:26) was where this occurred. It was a city that had a large population of Gentile Christians. Peter ate meals with these Christians on a regular basis. There is no scripture that says Peter ate unclean meat. Your reading into the scriptures here what the scriptures do not say and does not teach. A Jew sharing meals with a Gentile was something that had previously been unacceptable according to Jewish tradition (see Acts of the Apostles 10:28) as Gentiles were considered unclean (Acts of the Apostles 10:9-48). However, God nullified this tradition when He told Peter in a vision that Gentiles should not be considered unclean (Acts of the Apostles 10:1-11:18). This acceptance of Gentile Christians was later reaffirmed during the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:1-29).

Paul called Peter a hypocrite. He believed one thing, but did something else. As a leader in the church, he was to set a good example for others, but instead, his hypocritical actions led others astray (other Jews followed his lead “even Barnabas” Galatians 2:13). He also acted in complete opposition to the vision God had given him earlier in Acts of the Apostles 10 where God showed him that the Gentile believers were to be considered equal to the Jewish believers and no longer unclean.

Hope this helps.




1Tim.4:1(YLT) And the Spirit expressly speaketh, that in latter times shall certain fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons, 2in hypocrisy speaking lies, being seared in their own conscience,
3forbidding to marry — to abstain from meats that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those believing and acknowledging the truth,
4because every creature of God [is] good, and nothing [is] to be rejected, with thanksgiving being received, 5for it is sanctified through the word of God and intercession.


Matt.15:10 And having called near the multitude, he said to them, ‘Hear and understand: 11not that which is coming into the mouth doth defile the man, but that which is coming forth from the mouth, this defileth the man.’

12Then his disciples having come near, said to him, ‘Hast thou known that the Pharisees, having heard the word, were stumbled?’ 13And he answering said, ‘Every plant that my heavenly Father did not plant shall be rooted up; 14let them alone, guides they are — blind of blind; and if blind may guide blind, both into a ditch shall fall.’

15And Peter answering said to him, ‘Explain to us this simile.’ 16And Jesus said, ‘Are ye also yet without understanding? 17do ye not understand that all that is going into the mouth doth pass into the belly, and into the drain is cast forth? 18but the things coming forth from the mouth from the heart do come forth, and these defile the man; 19for out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, whoredoms, thefts, false witnessings, evil speakings: 20these are the things defiling the man; but to eat with unwashen hands doth not defile the man.’



Gal.2:19 for I through law, did die, that to God I may live;
20 with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh — in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me;
21I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness [be] through law then Christ died in vain.









Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.(2Cor.5:17).
 
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I am sorry dear friend but I only read the bible claiming God's promises for his heavenly guide and teacher in John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27 which is a part of God's new covenant promise written in Hebrews 8:11. I do not follow man-made teachings and traditions of the religious teachers of the world. What is it you do not agree with in the scriptures that have been shared with you? What do you think Paul is quoting from in Hebrews 8:10-12 if not the old covenant promise of the new covenant scriptures in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who is the covenant written to? If you can honestly answer these questions from the scriptures alone you will see your claims have no truth in them and are not biblical. There is no scripture that says Gods' health laws are abolished. You of course are free to believe as you wish and follow your tradition. For me however, according to the scriptures, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Matthew 15:3-9.


So you do not mix fabrics? YOu keep the sabbath? You keep passover? Feast of Tabernacles? Trumpets?
YOu give at least 10% of all you have to the Lord? How about the rest of the 613 commands that went along with the dietary laws to the nation of Israel.

YOu say you follow the bible alone and then write a line like this: "If you can honestly answer these questions from the scriptures alone you will see your claims have no truth in them and are not biblical. There is no scripture that says Gods' health laws are abolished" So you follow the Scripture except for this. So what else do you rely on as Communication from god??? Fuzzy feelings? visions and revelations? Dreams? What?

And they are not health laws! There are simple dietary laws. And they were not given for health, but as the Scripture says it was to make Israel a different nation from those around them!
 
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So you do not mix fabrics? YOu keep the sabbath? You keep passover? Feast of Tabernacles? Trumpets?
YOu give at least 10% of all you have to the Lord? How about the rest of the 613 commands that went along with the dietary laws to the nation of Israel.

YOu say you follow the bible alone and then write a line like this: "If you can honestly answer these questions from the scriptures alone you will see your claims have no truth in them and are not biblical. There is no scripture that says Gods' health laws are abolished" So you follow the Scripture except for this. So what else do you rely on as Communication from god??? Fuzzy feelings? visions and revelations? Dreams? What?

And they are not health laws! There are simple dietary laws. And they were not given for health, but as the Scripture says it was to make Israel a different nation from those around them!


They most certainly are health laws!!

Exo 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

The over 600 laws were the Levitical laws, and those were nailed to the cross. All that pointed to the shed blood of Christ were done away with as He became the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The 10 commandments were a separate set of laws. The 10 were kept inside the ark in the most holy place, the Levitical laws were kept outside the ark.
 
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They most certainly are health laws!!

Exo 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

The over 600 laws were the Levitical laws, and those were nailed to the cross. All that pointed to the shed blood of Christ were done away with as He became the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The 10 commandments were a separate set of laws. The 10 were kept inside the ark in the most holy place, the Levitical laws were kept outside the ark.


YOu need to go back and reread ands cont the laws.

The dietary restrictions were part of the Mosaic Law or the Old TEstament!

Just like how to cut your beard, how to wear fabrics, taking your kid to the edge of teh city and stone them if they live in rebellion, and not having sex with you r wife during her menstrual cycle. Those are all part and parcel of the 613 Mosaic Laws.
 
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YOu need to go back and reread ands cont the laws.

The dietary restrictions were part of the Mosaic Law or the Old TEstament!

Just like how to cut your beard, how to wear fabrics, taking your kid to the edge of teh city and stone them if they live in rebellion, and not having sex with you r wife during her menstrual cycle. Those are all part and parcel of the 613 Mosaic Laws.


I don't need to. I know them. They were not all instituted by God, but by the Rabbi's. God wrote the 10 on stone with His own finger and placed them inside the ark. They are permanent and forever. The rest were dictated by God, written by Moses on parchment and placed outside the ark. They were temporary. You are free to believe what you want.
 
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I don't think the dietary laws had much to do with healthy eating. Their purpose was the same purpose as the others that have also been abolished. God could have just told the Jews which foods to eat that were good for them. He didn't have to make it a sin. Eating a refined sugar candy cane at Christmas isn't healthy but should you call it a sin? Will God damn you because you ate a candy that wasn't promoting your health?
 
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LoveGodsWord said: I am sorry dear friend but I only read the bible claiming God's promises for his heavenly guide and teacher in John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27 which is a part of God's new covenant promise written in Hebrews 8:11. I do not follow man-made teachings and traditions of the religious teachers of the world. What is it you do not agree with in the scriptures that have been shared with you? What do you think Paul is quoting from in Hebrews 8:10-12 if not the old covenant promise of the new covenant scriptures in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who is the covenant written to? If you can honestly answer these questions from the scriptures alone you will see your claims have no truth in them and are not biblical. There is no scripture that says Gods' health laws are abolished. You of course are free to believe as you wish and follow your tradition. For me however, according to the scriptures, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Matthew 15:3-9.
Your response here...
So you do not mix fabrics? YOu keep the sabbath? You keep passover? Feast of Tabernacles? Trumpets? YOu give at least 10% of all you have to the Lord? How about the rest of the 613 commands that went along with the dietary laws to the nation of Israel.
Was there a reason you did not answer the questions in the previous post asked of you dear friend? You do not have to answer them if you do not want to. I can understand why. I do not know what you have written here has to do with the question I have asked you but please do not expect me to answer your questions if you do not answer mine although I am very happy to do so. We are in the new covenant now not the old. The Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sins from the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 are fulfilled in Christ (no more animal sacrifices and sin offerings from the 613; no more earthly temple that was a copy of the heavenly and the Sanctuary laws, no more Levitical Priesthood or annual festivals that are shadows of things to come) and God's plan of salvation in the new. Old things have passed away behold all things are new but many do not know what has come to pass and what has not as outlined in Hebrews 7; Hebrews 8; Hebrews 9 and Hebrews 10.
YOu say you follow the bible alone and then write a line like this: "If you can honestly answer these questions from the scriptures alone you will see your claims have no truth in them and are not biblical. There is no scripture that says Gods' health laws are abolished" So you follow the Scripture except for this. So what else do you rely on as Communication from god??? Fuzzy feelings? visions and revelations? Dreams? What?
The questions I asked you in the previous post were directly related to the scriptures alone as a help to the discussion, yet I see you did not post everything I wrote to you so I posted the whole post above. In addressing your claims in regards to the new covenant I asked you the questions relating to the scriptures (Word of God) What do you think Paul is quoting from in Hebrews 8:10-12 if not the old covenant promise of the new covenant scriptures in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who is the covenant written to in Jeremiah 31:31-34 that Paul also quotes in Hebrews 8:10-12? I asked you these questions because the answers are found directly written in the scriptures that disagree with your teachings.

The answer to these questions was that Paul was quoting exactly what the new covenant is from Jeremiah 31:31-34 in Hebrews 8:10-12 when you claimed there was no scripture. I asked you who is the new covenant promise addressed to because it is addressed to ISRAEL and Judah defined in the new covenant scriptures as all those who believe and follow God's Word which you disagreed with. I am sure you understood this and this is why you did not answer these questions but I write this not for you and leave it between you and God to work through and post these words only in love and as a help to you.
And they are not health laws! There are simple dietary laws. And they were not given for health, but as the Scripture says it was to make Israel a different nation from those around them!
Not really dear friend they are both dietary and health laws. God know us. He made us. He knows what is good for us. They were not given to make Israel a different nation whatsoever.

Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I WILL PUT NONE OF THESE DISEASE UPON YOU THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UPON THE EGYPTIANS: FOR I AM THE LORD THAT HEALS YOU.

God's health laws are given for the health of His people. Today God's Israel in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word *Romans 9:6-9; Romans 11:13-27; Hebrews 8:10-12. Those who do not believe and follow Gods' Word however according to the scriptures are not God's ISRAEL *John 10:26-27. You of course are free to believe as you wish and follow your tradition. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Matthew 15:3-9.

Hope this helps.
 
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1Tim.4:1(YLT) And the Spirit expressly speaketh, that in latter times shall certain fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons, 2in hypocrisy speaking lies, being seared in their own conscience,
3forbidding to marry — to abstain from meats that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those believing and acknowledging the truth,
4because every creature of God [is] good, and nothing [is] to be rejected, with thanksgiving being received, 5for it is sanctified through the word of God and intercession.

Matt.15:10 And having called near the multitude, he said to them, ‘Hear and understand: 11not that which is coming into the mouth doth defile the man, but that which is coming forth from the mouth, this defileth the man.’

12Then his disciples having come near, said to him, ‘Hast thou known that the Pharisees, having heard the word, were stumbled?’ 13And he answering said, ‘Every plant that my heavenly Father did not plant shall be rooted up; 14let them alone, guides they are — blind of blind; and if blind may guide blind, both into a ditch shall fall.’

15And Peter answering said to him, ‘Explain to us this simile.’ 16And Jesus said, ‘Are ye also yet without understanding? 17do ye not understand that all that is going into the mouth doth pass into the belly, and into the drain is cast forth? 18but the things coming forth from the mouth from the heart do come forth, and these defile the man; 19for out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, whoredoms, thefts, false witnessings, evil speakings: 20these are the things defiling the man; but to eat with unwashen hands doth not defile the man.’

Hi One Son, welcome and nice to meet you here :)

Let's look at the scriptures in details...

Matthew 15:10-20
[10], And he called the multitude, and said to them, Hear, and understand:
[11], Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.
[12], Then came his disciples, and said to him, Know you that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
[13], But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father has not planted, shall be rooted up.
[14], Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
[15], Then answered Peter and said to him, Declare to us this parable.
[16], And Jesus said, Are you also yet without understanding?
[17], Do not you yet understand, that whatever enters in at the mouth goes into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
[18], But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
[19], For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
[20], These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man.

The above scriptures are also repeated as a variation in Mark 7:15-20 *Mark 7:15, 18-19 These scriptures are a repetition of Matthew 15 where JESUS is showing that it is not the washing hands, plates or cups that defiles a man but sin that originates in the heart of man. Jesus does not say anywhere that there is now no longer clean and unclean dietary laws so what you claim here is not biblical. There is no scripture that says God has abolished the dietary laws and JESUS definitely does not say this in Matthew 15 or Mark 7.

Your next key scripture is from Timothy...

1 Timothy 4:4-5 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 FOR IT IS SANCTIFIED BY THE WORD OF GOD AND PRAYER.

This is a reference of foods that can be eaten that are sanctified by the word of God and prayer. This is a reference back to what foods God says are clean and unclean (Word of God). This scripture is not a reference saying you can now eat anything you want to eat, as that would not be sanctified by the Word of God. The Word of God says to make a difference between what is clean to eat and what is not clean to eat in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14

Then we have this...

Philippians 3:18-19 [18], For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [19], WHOSE END IS DESTRUCTION, WHOSE GOD IS THEIR BELLY, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

Then we have these scriptures talking about the second coming here...

Isaiah 66:16-17 [16], For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. [17], They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINES FLESH, and THE ABOMINATION, AND THE MOUSE, SHALL BE CONSUMED TOGETHER, SAYS THE LORD. [18], For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory....

Somethings we are taught in the Church are not always what the bible says. Something to pray about dear friend.
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Actually dear friend your interpretation of Galatians 2 with Paul rebuking Peter for (as you claim) eating unclean food with the Gentile believers is not true. The bible says nothing about Peter eating unclean food at Antioch. Most of the scholars place this time period before the Jerusalem Council of Acts of the Apostles 15 where the issue there was over circumcision where before that time most believed that Jews should not mix with Gentile believers unless they were first circumcised (those of the circumcision viewed Gentiles as unclean).

The city of Antioch (where people were first called Christians: Acts of the Apostles 11:26) was where this occurred. It was a city that had a large population of Gentile Christians. Peter ate meals with these Christians on a regular basis. There is no scripture that says Peter ate unclean meat. Your reading into the scriptures here what the scriptures do not say and does not teach. A Jew sharing meals with a Gentile was something that had previously been unacceptable according to Jewish tradition (see Acts of the Apostles 10:28) as Gentiles were considered unclean (Acts of the Apostles 10:9-48). However, God nullified this tradition when He told Peter in a vision that Gentiles should not be considered unclean (Acts of the Apostles 10:1-11:18). This acceptance of Gentile Christians was later reaffirmed during the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:1-29).

Paul called Peter a hypocrite. He believed one thing, but did something else. As a leader in the church, he was to set a good example for others, but instead, his hypocritical actions led others astray (other Jews followed his lead “even Barnabas” Galatians 2:13). He also acted in complete opposition to the vision God had given him earlier in Acts of the Apostles 10 where God showed him that the Gentile believers were to be considered equal to the Jewish believers and no longer unclean.
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By definition, Gentile food is unclean. Any food that isn't slaughtered according to the laws of kashrut and prepared in a kitchen that has been purified according to the laws of kashrut is unclean. Even if Gentiles weren't eating pork and shellfish (which they were), every single thing they served was unclean.
You can ignore the clear meaning of scripture and the clear testimony of the entire church all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. You quite simply have no clue what the word "unclean" means in the context of the Mosaic Law.
Ok dear friend so show me the scripture that says Peter was eating unclean foods? There is none. If there is no scripture. Your trying to read into the scripture what the scriptures do not say or teach. If you have no scripture be honest and say so. It is you who is trying to read into the scripture what the scripture does not say or teach and ignoring the clear meaning of scripture not me. I am only pointing out what the scriptures says and does not say and it does not say what you are claiming it says. Lets be honest now in sharing what the scriptures actually say and do not say as they do not say what you are claiming they are saying and therefore what your saying is not biblical.
Aren't you one of those people who hold to the man-made idea of sola scriptura? If so, you can't use arguments like that. Unless y'all start making rational arguments, I see no reason to continue here. Any dispassionate observer will by now see how absurd your position is, even if you don't.
No dear friend. I hold to the biblical teaching of Sola Scriptura which is not a man-made teachings and traditions that breaks the commandments of God. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the traditions and teachings of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. JESUS (not me) says if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God in Matthew 15:3-9.

There is nothing wrong with reading outside of the scriptures if what your reading supports God's Word, but the test to know if something is right or wrong is the Word of God through the Spirit of God that we are told to test the teachings to see if they are from God of not *1 John 4:1.

What your promoting dear friend is simply not biblical but a religious tradition that breaks Gods health laws so we of course will never agree. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. You of course are free to believe as you wish. I do not judge you. It is the Word of God we accept or reject that becomes our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48.

This post is only written and shared in love and my prayer is only that we might all receive God's Word and be blessed to have a closer walk with Jesus.
 
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I don't think the dietary laws had much to do with healthy eating. Their purpose was the same purpose as the others that have also been abolished. God could have just told the Jews which foods to eat that were good for them. He didn't have to make it a sin. Eating a refined sugar candy cane at Christmas isn't healthy but should you call it a sin? Will God damn you because you ate a candy that wasn't promoting your health?


You can think whatever you like. The fact is that God said if they followed those rules they would not get the diseases that the Egyptians got. And they did not so it definitely is about health. God made us and He knows what is best for us. Obviously, it messes with what you want to do so it is far easier to come up with your own ideas of what they are instead of just accepting what God said. Go ahead and ignore them, you will never answer to anyone but God--and He says--

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

It's between you and God. We just pass on the info, reject it or not---your choice. I mean---after all---it was just a piece of fruit that God said not to eat. But Adam and Eve listened to someone else. God certainly wouldn't call eating a piece of fruit sin, now would He? Fruit is good for you, and thou shalt not surely die ---Listen to whomever you want.
 
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The question should also be considered can something that is clean yesterday be unclean today?

Acts 11:5-9 5I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me: 6Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 7And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat. 8But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. 9But the voice answered me again from heaven,
What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

BTW, the "the Rona made the jump from animals to humans by people in China eating bats" is a crock. THere my be some people in China who eat bats, just as there may be some in the US who do. From my purely personal experience, the Chinese are little if any more enthusiastic about bats for supper than the average American. The story falls apart completely when you discover that there is a virology lab in Wuhan not a mile from the "wet market" where people were supposedly buying bats for a weekend grill-out, that that lab was working with corona viruses at the time, but that, of course, there was no way at all of that lab having released Covid-19 into the population through lax security or sloppy containment protocols. oh no no no no no! It was just a coincidence! It was them bats!

Right.

For me, I cannot see any scripture in both the old and new testament that says that God's health and dietary laws have been abolished.
1 Corinthians 10:23-27 23All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. 24Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth. 25Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 26For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. 27If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
 
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