The reason I am losing faith is the pain in God’s plan, why does he think more will bring me back?

God has a purpose for everything, he said our ways are not his way and our thoughts re not his thoughts, as the heavens is higher than the earth that is how his way are high than our ways and his thoughts than our thoughts Isaiah 55:8-11 I learn something yesterday in church when u call on God he don't answer, don't give up keep praying and hoping the one day he will answer and also to something for God not asking alone even if u don't have ur answer yet please read judges 20:1 to the end and see what happens there, and Luke 11v7-9 and Luke 18:1-7 God knows us and our need and he has purpose for it

Suffering and pain are part of this world. It is a consequence of being a mortal creature. There is suffering with Immortals too but that suffering is because of their soul and because of other souls.

Most Christians have not taken the problem of suffering and pain seriously enough. that's why long ago they condemned people for coming up with answers as to why suffering and pain are in this world and why those in this world suffer. It seems that there is still room in trying to perfect the answer.

The natural states of heaven and hell are divided because it would be torture for good people to suffer evil all the time. God doesn't like that people in Hell suffer and are evil and cause suffering to each other and to themselves. the natural state of evil is one that destroys the freedom God denied himself in order for us to be free. we have freedom because God denied part of his own Omni abilities in order that we can exist. Evil spirits start to lose their ability to change. if this world only had evil spirits it would become pure hell, because the balance would be too much in favor of hell. That's why the insurance of putting Angels here is also a thing. Yet even Jesus Christ had to come here.

The world is an in between of Heaven and Hell. We choose to come here either because we are demons or because we are angels. The Bible said we are subjected to vanity unwillingly. But this unwillingness did not mean we did not will to be a human, it means we didn't like it and we didn't want it compared to other states of being that we were in but we saw that this world has a chance of making us and others in a much better condition, which made it worth it to us to try otherwise we would not be here. each Soul has their own reasons for why they are in this world. Essentially for some beings God tricked into coming to this world. what they wanted was to cause havoc in this world so they came. But having a human body greatly aids them in changing. They don't like pain and suffering and some learn that they don't wanna cause it to themselves or others anymore. In the condition as an evil spirit they didn't even feel pain or know that they were suffering, they were insane. In fact they suffered when they could not do evil.

This world is a fast track way to help Fallen Souls become saved. It's much harder to do in hell, because they don't have a kind of body other than that of their own nature. Here though we have a creature nature on top of a spirit. There is probably a ton that could be said about why souls are in this world. Each person is a mystery and we don't usually know what our state of being was like before we became born of woman. God does everything in his infinite wisdom. His Providence keeps people free but dynamically organizes things in a way that lead to him. Just like the soul of Jesus Christ pre-existed before he was born so to do all humans.

so why we each have pain and suffering are for reasons that go beyond what we are as a mere human mortal creature. That many Angels Came Here and that they could fall was a great Delight for the demons. That's why wether we are good or evil we suffer. demons wouldn't come to this world if they had no hope of ruining ourselves like they ruin themselves. So we bear our cross.

Angels often come here to try to perfect themselves further towards God. having a creature body is already such a hard thing to exist as. The ease of Heaven is not exactly pristine conditions for trying to love God in crude conditions. But theorizing how something can be and actually experiencing it can be quite different. Having such ease in heaven we might have felt that we could easily conquer anything. There is already a bit of pride in that. maybe some grew disgusted that they had felt Pride by the mere thinking that they could do good in this world. perhaps some came for no other reason than because they feared that little speck of pride in them, since they didn't even notice they had any in them. It is very humbling to be a weak mortal creature.

some saw that even Jesus Christ came here and figured that they should too if he did. Maybe some asked others to come here and so they did.

The why things are how they are becomes so much more complicated if souls pre-existed and if indeed we have freedom. If we had a say in being here then we cannot fully blame God for everything.

The Christianity most understand is the Christianity of a child. It is very authoritarian in nature. It is very fleshly. to them no matter what God is like he is automatically good even if he forces you to live in a prison of torture and hell called Earth. That is not the God that I know.

Thank you brother for finally describing your situation so we can pray for you. Father in your name we pray life and restoration into the body of our brothers wife. Lord we pray your presence, protection, and strength surround their entire family thru this ordeal. Father as we lay our hands upon her in the spirit, we ask you release your healing power thru us and restore her completely. That all the effects of stroke be reversed, and that she will be able to live a normal life soon and be reunited with her family. Lord we ask for your peace to settle upon this family. We also rebuke the enemy for daring to lay their hands upon your children then putting the blame on you. In Jesus name, we tolerate you no longer and command you to leave this family alone! Starting today, we cover this family fully in the blood of Jesus so it is no longer within your reach. In Jesus name, Amen.

Questioning Brother said:

Probably some of it is venting. Some is the small thread of faith I am hanging on to.

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better to increase that faith somehow, leaving God is the crappiest decision you can make. not only about the hell stuff and that, but because he has the best for us in this life and in the next.

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I am losing my faith in Him due to the pain in life. I don’t care whT it is for, and I don’t want ANYTHING that could come out of going through this. I beg for help and prevention of more, and when I do I get a lot of the “be still...” and “ my grace is sufficient “ and “plan for goodness” verses. Those answers are utterly destroying any love, trust, or positive feelings I have for God. If God wants me to come back to Him, why does he think more pain (either He inflicts it, or He allows it, doesn’t matter), wil bring me closer rather than drive me from him and ensure my eternal hatred of Him?

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Did you lose a loved one ?

Every time godly, biblical answers are offered to you and you slap them away, you confirm yourself in the habit of doing so. The longer your habit of rejecting the truth and wisdom of God goes on, the more hardened in that rejection you become. And so, in time, you become impervious to the things of God, by your own choice deaf and blind to Him. Until the day you meet Him face-to-face to give an account of yourself to Him.

This thread may be just a game of make-me-care to you, but it has real, and profound, and eternal consequences. Don't fool around with God.

Questioning Brother said:

Well I know she wants to be home with me and the two kids still at home. She is instead stuck in a nursing home because we can’t manage her care well enough. And with the quarantine, the visitation is down to 2 listed people who have to be COVID tested 2x per week just to get 1 30minute visit. So the healing I am begging God for would relieve her suffering as well.
Yes the loss of faith has been building a long time. I had a pretty good amount of it at one time. It is dwindling. If you read my posts, you can see the more recent ones are worse and more cynical than the older ones.
I also recently (as in the past week or so) realized why the spiritual help from God doesn’t affect me like it appears to do with so many others. I hate being comforted. It angers me. Since that is the only kind of help He is giving me now, that is not going well. I recognize that is definitely my problem, but it isn’t helping yet.
Yes, I want an easier life with far less pain in not. Is that wrong?

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The problem is that you love your wife more than God. Therein lies the problem. When you have your priorities wrong, then of course you are going to refuse comfort from others, and be angry. For if you disconnect from GOD who is the source of all true love, joy, and peace, etc. then of course your life is going to be a mess and you are not going to be happy. Job lost it all, and yet he still praised God and trusted in Him. In the end, Job's faithfulness in God paid off despite the pain of Job losing his sons, and the pain of Job losing much of his possessions, and losing his health. Job could have cursed God and died. But Job was wise, and he knew God had a greater plan that he could not see. Job's life is an example to the rest of us. Your life can be either like a Job, or it can be like Cain. The choice is yours. Choose wisely.

Questioning Brother said:

Well I know she wants to be home with me and the two kids still at home. She is instead stuck in a nursing home because we can’t manage her care well enough. And with the quarantine, the visitation is down to 2 listed people who have to be COVID tested 2x per week just to get 1 30minute visit.

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Thank you for sharing a bit more of your wife's situation. Believe me, having at least some idea of what she's going through helps us to put things into perspective. I understand that it's difficult for some to talk about something so sensitive and personal over the internet to a "bunch of strangers". But the more you tell us, the more we can help and the better we can pray, or even offer suggestions that you never even thought of.

Can your wife communicate? Can she speak? Write? Type? Eat? Is she in any kind of physical therapy?

So the healing I am begging God for would relieve her suffering as well.

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As well? Are you not praying for her healing FIRST and foremost? Maybe it's just because of the stress you're under, but when you write what you've written, it seems like you're praying for yourself FIRST, and you're wife after that. I'm hoping that's not the case.

Yes the loss of faith has been building a long time. I had a pretty good amount of it at one time. It is dwindling. If you read my posts, you can see the more recent ones are worse and more cynical than the older ones.

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Yes, I noticed that. And while you say that you had a 'pretty good amount of (faith) at one time', it may have been a lot less that you think you had. After all, you DID say that the MAIN reason you converted is because you didn't want to go to hell. In all honesty, that's probably not the best reason to convert...UNLESS, you're willing to do EVERYTHING ELSE in order to be a true follower of Christ.

The Bible doesn't promise believer's that they're going to have a wonderful life HERE on this planet. In fact, the Bible says just the opposite. We WILL go through various trials. But if we have faith, and keep that faith, and even STRENGTHEN that faith while going through those trials, we WILL come out victorious.

I also recently (as in the past week or so) realized why the spiritual help from God doesn’t affect me like it appears to do with so many others. I hate being comforted. It angers me.

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Yes, being comforted angers you. I can see that. You want action instead of comfort. Action would in fact, be the comfort that you're seeking.

What many Christians find comforting is that God is in control. But sometimes, it can take a while for a Christian to get there. Goodness...it is so hard for some of us to release control to God! We want to hold on to it for as long as we can, believing that as long as we have SOME control, that we don't need God as much as we do.

That anger that you feel may be the last shred of power that you think you have. And you're going to fight tooth and nail against God in order to keep it.

But what do you think would happen if you surrendered to God's Will? If you actually said, "O.k. God. You win." and NOT be sarcastic about it. Take all of your worries, concerns, anger, confusion, sadness etc., and lay it all at the foot of Jesus' cross. Tell Jesus, "I can't do this. YOU take care of it!" And then...stand back and Let him. And then, get busy doing other things. Take care of your children. Be a blessing to someone else, besides your wife. Stop asking God for the same thing over and over again. He's already heard you the FIRST time.

Since that is the only kind of help He is giving me now, that is not going well. I recognize that is definitely my problem, but it isn’t helping yet.

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I'm glad you added the word 'yet' to the end of your last sentence. It tells me that you haven't given up COMPLETELY.

Yes, I want an easier life with far less pain in not. Is that wrong?

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I wouldn't say that wanting it is "wrong" per se, but it may depend on what you're definition of "wrong" is.

EVERYONE would love to have an easy life! No worries about bills...or money...or sickness...or the car breaking down. Having that perfectly proportioned body...the perfect eye shape...no need for glasses or contacts. Just to be able to go about doing what we want to do, when we wanted to do it, without some obstacle to overcome, would be "heaven" to some!

But having what you want, when you want it is not necessarily what's best for us. After all, if we all had what we wanted, we'd become like a bunch of spoiled little brats! God knows us better than we know ourselves, and because He knows us so well, He knows what's best for us.

One parting thought: Please, please, PLEASE take the advice that you've received on this forum over the years. I joined this forum only a few short months ago, and the reason I joined was because of the many kindred souls who want to genuinely help, ESPECIALLY a brother/sister in need. Remember to be grateful for what you have, and to let our Creator know that you are, in fact, grateful.

*Whew*. Time for me to close my mouth.

Questioning Brother said:

No thinking back it has been an extreme rarity that I wanted comfort. I mean even as a child (before I knew anything about God or Christ), I didn’t like being comforted.

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It sounds like you need a change or transformation by the Lord. I believe you are currently resisting God because He is all about comfort and rest.

For Jesus says:
“Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you shall find rest unto your souls.” (Matthew 11:28-29).

Cain did not look at his own sins. He kept being selfish and saying how bad it was going to be for himself because of his own sins. He never admitted to owning up to his own sin (Which results in punishment if we do not confess and battle to overcome such sins). Again, it sounds like you want to be a Cain, and not a Job. The choice is yours again. You don't have to be like Cain. You can be like Job. Choose wisely.

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Questioning Brother said:

I am losing my faith in Him due to the pain in life. I don’t care whT it is for, and I don’t want ANYTHING that could come out of going through this. I beg for help and prevention of more, and when I do I get a lot of the “be still...” and “ my grace is sufficient “ and “plan for goodness” verses. Those answers are utterly destroying any love, trust, or positive feelings I have for God. If God wants me to come back to Him, why does he think more pain (either He inflicts it, or He allows it, doesn’t matter), wil bring me closer rather than drive me from him and ensure my eternal hatred of Him?

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Your losing your faith? Brother according to every single thread you’ve written since January of 2017 you haven’t shown an ounce of faith. Every single thread is exactly the same.

Questioning Brother said:

In fact, I am moderately worried that the final straw will be God not choosing to heal my wife. I don’t know if I could recover from that.

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I’ve been reading this thread with interest and am sorry you’re in distress.

A Christian relative went into a five-year depression when her remaining parent died. She had believed that because she prayed for healing, it would happen.

Eventually she did recover from the shock of her parent dying—and God’s apparent betrayal. Subsequently she became a very strong Christian. She’s a blessing to those at her workplace and beyond, she makes a difference in a lot of people’s lives.

I don’t know what her thought process was after the death, or her learning. If you’re ever in a space to want to know, I’ll find out for you. For now, I just wanted to say that the future can sure surprise us.