The 2 Beasts with The harlot

Davy · Dec 9, 2020

timothyu said:
Which is precisely what I speak of when mentioned BBB build back better and the Great Reset using environment and health as the movement to gain global credibility with mankind as some sort of earthly saviour. Show me one time in human existence where good intentions were never taken over by those who wish to oppress. That includes Christianity btw..

The Revelation 13 chapter is clear, there will be a one-world beast kingdom having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

And there will be a beast king over that, called the "another beast", a 2nd beast per Rev.13:11-13, working miracles on earth.

Davy · Dec 9, 2020

nolidad said:
Well yuo were doing pretty good until you named the harlot a city. EVRY time a woman is used symbolically in SCripture it is always a religious system. An adulterous o whorish woman is a false religious system. ALWAYS!

Then you have not read Ezekiel 16, it's obvious.

timothyu · Dec 9, 2020

Davy said:
No, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward is a person, not a system.

A person first needs a system to take over

Davy · Dec 9, 2020

ewq1938 said:
The FP is the AC. In the epistles John uses Antichrist but not FP and in Revelation he uses FP not AC but same person who rules the ten horned beast empire and performs miracles. Paul called him the man of sin and that Wicked.

Also, one beast has the two horns so the horns do not represent two different beasts. IMO the two little horns both point us back to Daniel's little horn as well as signifying the one beast will be a king twice.
He is the 7th and 8th king mentioned here:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Yes, I agree the AC is the "false prophet", and a beast king. Those are all pointers to a mimic of our Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus was also a Prophet, and He is our King.

Davy · Dec 9, 2020

chad kincham said:
It’s not Jerusalem.

Per Zechariah 14, not only is God not going to destroy Jerusalem, but He instead saves Jerusalem when the city is being destroyed by a coalition of nations that are attacking.

Jesus returns in verse 5 and saves Jerusalem.

Walid Shoebat is an ex Muslim Christian, born in Bethlehem, who started reading the Bible to disprove his Christian wife - his take on end time prophecy is from a Middle East perspective and not a western mindset:

Apparently, you don't understand what Christ is showing us in His Revelation about Jerusalem for the end. Haven't you read the Rev.11 chapter?

Rev 11:3-8
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Where was Lord Jesus crucified? That's easy, Jerusalem.

Revelation 11 tells us a 10th part of the city will fall by the great earthquake that's to happen there with Christ's coming (Revelation 11:13). Seven thousand there will be slain.

Douggg · Dec 9, 2020

Davy said:
Yes, I agree the AC is the "false prophet", and a beast king.

If so...

who is the man that the AC false prophet is going to direct the world to worship?

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Davy · Dec 9, 2020

timothyu said:
A person first needs a system to take over

God's Word tells us when it will happen. Until then, the beast system has a "deadly wound" that will only be healed when the pseudo-Christ shows up in Jerusalem and is established as "king of the world" (their label, not mine).

Timtofly · Dec 9, 2020

friend of said:
Satan needs 3 entities to counterfeit the trinity. He needs himself (the father) the AC (the son) and the FP (holy spirit). If the AC and FP were the same person then Satan wouldn't be counterfeiting the Holy trinity because there would only be 2 people.

Satan is the beast with two lamb horns. The FP is the human representing the religion authority. The false messiah is the image. The "son" of Satan brought to life with the breath of Satan. There is only one person, the FP. Satan is an angel, and the image is a beast, an Artificial Christ. The FP and the beast are cast into the Lake of Fire. Satan is bound in the pit for 1000 years.

nolidad · Dec 9, 2020

parousia70 said:
Mystery Babylon = JERUSALEM/APOSTATE ISRAEL

Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots is described by scripture as none other than Jerusalem and Apostate Israel, with her record of violence against all the righteous prophets. The bible clearly identifies her as Jerusalem and Apostate Israel. Let's let scripture interpret scripture for a minute:

MYSTERY BABYLON
Rev. 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets...

JERUSALEM
Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee...

Luke 13:33
... for it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:22-23
...and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 25:10-11
Moreover I WILL TAKE FROM THEM the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle. And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment;

MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that GREAT CITY Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

JERUSALEM
Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. [our Lord died in Jerusalem, of course]

MYSTERY BABYLON -- CLOTHED IN PRIESTLY GARMENTS OF AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
Revelation 17:4, 18:16
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication ... And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones...

PRIESTLY GARMENTS OF AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
Exodus 28:4-6, 17-20
they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister
unto me in the priest's office. And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen. And they shall make the ephod of gold of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with skillful work....And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel...Exodus 28:17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row. And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond. And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst. And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings...

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 4:30
Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers

MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 3:1
but thou hast played THE HARLOT with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 3:3
and thou hadst a w-hore's forehead...

Ezekiel 16:35-36
Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy ABOMINATIONS, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:20
Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

JERUSALEM/APOSTATE ISRAEL
Luke 11:47
Woe unto you! ... Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: THAT THE BLOOD OF ALL THE PROPHETS, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, IT SHALL BE REQUIRED of this generation.

Folks, anyone reading these passages can plainly see that Jerusalem is the Harlot of Revelation. The removal of the bride and the bridegroom, the sound of the millstones, the sound of joy and mirth and the light of the lamp are all about JERUSALEM. We need only believe what the scripture so clearly teaches.

The cross references in Holy Scripture are so abundant as to leave us without any doubt who is Mystery Babylon -- JERUSALEM AND APOSTATE ISRAEL.

Well then answer me one question. I agree that Israel has played the harlot and could very well be the greatest harlot!

But How Is Israel?jerusalem, the Mother of all false religious systems (harlots)???

Every time Israel played the harlot she adopted another religious system. She never birthed any new false system!

Babylon however gave birth to what would become all false religious systems on earth!

And finding similar words tro describe cities and priests show you can use a concordance- but it isn't sound hermeneutics.

friend of · Dec 9, 2020

Timtofly said:
The FP and the beast are cast into the Lake of Fire. Satan is bound in the pit for 1000 years.

Right, so then how can a system be cast into the lof?

nolidad · Dec 9, 2020

Douggg said:
You are talking philosophically. I am talking specifics.

C'mon! You say Babylon is code speak and you can write specifics and expect anyone to believe you?

nolidad · Dec 9, 2020

timothyu said:
They also abandoned the Kingdom to partner with the governance of man over the governance of God. The original sin.

Don't know what you mean by the churches original sin.

nolidad · Dec 9, 2020

Douggg said:
The mother is responsible for all slain upon the earth. Goes back to when Cain slew Abel.

The great harlot (influenced by the mother, I agree) is located in the place of the seven mountains, i.e the Vatican in Rome. Something that can be destroyed by fire by the ten kings, acting upon their view of the world as the beast being God... and not Jesus.

The great harlot is specific, not the collective group of religions having false doctrines.

Wow! You sure could use some lessons on hermeneutics and exegesis, as well as understanding that teh bible is always consistent when it uses a word symbolically. God would not create confusion by using a symbolic term to mean more than one thing. You seem to feel free to make them mean whatever you wish.

Timtofly · Dec 9, 2020

Douggg said:
The end times person will be killed and brought back to life. And in the process his soul will become possessed by the unclean spirit of the original garden of Eden serpent beast. Currently in the bottomless pit.

Or the end time FP is the reincarnation of a former ruler who, according to Josephus, already sacrificed a pig. The beast that was, was not, yet is. How else to get eastern religion to follow you, if you can prove reincarnation. "And they wondered at the beast brought back to life" It never says when this head actually dies. That is why modern eschatology jumped on the AC bandwagon. They thought a future person would die. Not necessarily, because Jesus points to the prophecy of Daniel, and allegedly a Greek King can do the same thing twice, via reincarnation of Satan. The full proof method to prove reincarnation. Reincarnation is not possession. It is the same soul in a different body.

Douggg · Dec 9, 2020

nolidad said:
C'mon! You say Babylon is code speak and you can write specifics and expect anyone to believe you?

Here is what I wrote...

"Yes, Satan is called the god of this world. And in code speak is the King of Babylon, in Isaiah 14.
And in code speak is the King of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28:16-19. And in the mystical, non physical, kingdom of Mystery Babylon the Great is the king of that kingdom overshadowing the world."

Do you see "Satan" the word, in Isaiah 14, and Ezekiel 28:16-19 ? No.

Instead you see the king of Babylon, and the King of Tyrus - that is what I meant by code speak.

Douggg · Dec 9, 2020

Timtofly said:
Or the end time FP is the reincarnation of a former ruler who, according to Josephus, already sacrificed a pig.

The reason it is not Antiochus , is that the false prophet person imitates Elijah the prophet, a Jew.

nolidad · Dec 9, 2020

Davy said:
Then you have not read Ezekiel 16, it's obvious.

More presumptuouos ness on your part!

But WOW-show me how a city made of brick and wood can give its children to sacrifice. Or is God referring to teh inhabitants of the city???

Cirties are not animate so they are symbolic of something or someone. No charge for the lesson.

nolidad · Dec 9, 2020

Douggg said:
Here is what I wrote...

"Yes, Satan is called the god of this world. And in code speak is the King of Babylon, in Isaiah 14.
And in code speak is the King of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28:16-19. And in the mystical, non physical, kingdom of Mystery Babylon the Great is the king of that kingdom overshadowing the world."

Do you see "Satan" the word, in Isaiah 14, and Ezekiel 28:16-19 ? No.

Instead you see the king of Babylon, and the King of Tyrus - that is what I meant by code speak.

Well you make yourself difficult to take seriously by how you use phrases, your allegorical approach and other issues you and I have discussed.

Timtofly · Dec 9, 2020

parousia70 said:
Mystery Babylon = JERUSALEM/APOSTATE ISRAEL

Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots is described by scripture as none other than Jerusalem and Apostate Israel, with her record of violence against all the righteous prophets. The bible clearly identifies her as Jerusalem and Apostate Israel. Let's let scripture interpret scripture for a minute:

MYSTERY BABYLON
Rev. 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets...

JERUSALEM
Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee...

Luke 13:33
... for it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:22-23
...and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 25:10-11
Moreover I WILL TAKE FROM THEM the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle. And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment;

MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that GREAT CITY Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

JERUSALEM
Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. [our Lord died in Jerusalem, of course]

MYSTERY BABYLON -- CLOTHED IN PRIESTLY GARMENTS OF AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
Revelation 17:4, 18:16
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication ... And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones...

PRIESTLY GARMENTS OF AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
Exodus 28:4-6, 17-20
they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister
unto me in the priest's office. And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen. And they shall make the ephod of gold of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with skillful work....And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel...Exodus 28:17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row. And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond. And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst. And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings...

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 4:30
Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers

MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 3:1
but thou hast played THE HARLOT with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 3:3
and thou hadst a w-hore's forehead...

Ezekiel 16:35-36
Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy ABOMINATIONS, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:20
Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

JERUSALEM/APOSTATE ISRAEL
Luke 11:47
Woe unto you! ... Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: THAT THE BLOOD OF ALL THE PROPHETS, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, IT SHALL BE REQUIRED of this generation.

Folks, anyone reading these passages can plainly see that Jerusalem is the Harlot of Revelation. The removal of the bride and the bridegroom, the sound of the millstones, the sound of joy and mirth and the light of the lamp are all about JERUSALEM. We need only believe what the scripture so clearly teaches.

The cross references in Holy Scripture are so abundant as to leave us without any doubt who is Mystery Babylon -- JERUSALEM AND APOSTATE ISRAEL.

Do you have proof the church is still in Jerusalem, and did not flee to the hills when the Roman armies approached? Where does it claim the church ever returned to Jerusalem? Matthew 5:14

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

parousia70 · Dec 9, 2020

Timtofly said:
Do you have proof the church is still in Jerusalem, and did not flee to the hills when the Roman armies approached? Where does it claim the church ever returned to Jerusalem?

What's your point exactly?
I've nowhere asserted the Church did not heed Christ's warning to flee and escape the wrath. It's plain they did.
AND, there are Plenty of churches in Jerusalem today.
Churches in Jerusalem Holy Land – Map Pictures and Tour | Jesus Christ Holyland

So again, what's your point?

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