Sabbath and the House of Prayer

Greengardener · Aug 15, 2020

In thinking about Harks's expression: "spend a day of rest with your loving father."

From my first desire to have children they have shown me aspects of our Father. As I grow older, I find that my relationship with my now adult children continues to teach me about my Father's desires toward His children. My "kids" are on their own, but I still value their attention. I'll gladly share my years of oft anecdotal experience and then leave them to make their own decisions. How much more this Father who so much the more tenderly loves His children and wants to share the resources of what makes this life work well? (Yes, we'd do really well to pay attention to what HE says - it's not anecdotal with Him!)

BobRyan · Aug 17, 2020

HARK! said:
YHWH calls all of his people to honor his Sabbath

(CLV) Isa 56:6
As for the sons of the foreigner The proselyte who has joined himself to Yahweh to minister to Him, And to love the Name of Yahweh, to become His servants, Everyone keeping the Sabbath, from profaning it, And holding fast to My covenant,

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

This is the passage that Yahshua is quoting when he's driving the money changers out of the Temple.

(CLV) Mt 21:13
And He is saying to them, "It is written, `My house a house of prayer shall be called,' yet you are making it a burglars' cave."

Well there you have it -- all nations all people "All mankind" Isaiah 66:23

Mr. M · Sep 6, 2020

Greengardener said:
In thinking about Harks's expression: "spend a day of rest with your loving father."

From my first desire to have children they have shown me aspects of our Father. As I grow older, I find that my relationship with my now adult children continues to teach me about my Father's desires toward His children. My "kids" are on their own, but I still value their attention. I'll gladly share my years of oft anecdotal experience and then leave them to make their own decisions. How much more this Father who so much the more tenderly loves His children and wants to share the resources of what makes this life work well? (Yes, we'd do really well to pay attention to what HE says - it's not anecdotal with Him!)

The Sabbath prepares the hearts of the children to live in the complete trust of The Father.
Matthew 6:
25 So I say to you, do not worry about your life—what you will eat or drink, or about your body,
what you will wear. Isn’t life more than food and the body more than clothing?
26 “Look at the birds of the air. They do not sow or reap or gather into barns; yet your Father in
heaven feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
27 And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
28 And why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow.
They neither toil nor spin.
29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.
30 Now if in this way God clothes the grass—which is here today and thrown into the
furnace tomorrow—will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’
32 For the pagans eagerly pursue all these things; yet your Father in heaven knows that
you need all these.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself.
Each day has enough trouble of its own.

The Father's Rest Is For Every Day.

HARK! · Dec 9, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
The Father's Rest Is For Every Day.

(CLV) 2Th 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave this charge to you: that "If anyone is not willing to work, neither let him eat."

(CLV) Dt 5:14
yet the seventh day is a sabbath to Yahweh your Elohim. You shall not do any work on it; you, your son or your daughter, your manservant or your maidservant, your bull, your donkey or any domestic beast of yours, or your sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as you do.

Mr. M · Dec 9, 2020

HARK! said:
(CLV) 2Th 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave this charge to you: that "If anyone is not willing to work, neither let him eat."

(CLV) Dt 5:14
yet the seventh day is a sabbath to Yahweh your Elohim. You shall not do any work on it; you, your son or your daughter, your manservant or your maidservant, your bull, your donkey or any domestic beast of yours, or your sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as you do.

Matthew 11:
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that
You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father.
Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and to whom the Son wills to reveal.
28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find
rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.

HARK! · Dec 9, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Matthew 11:
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that
You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father.
Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and to whom the Son wills to reveal.
28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find
rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.

(CLV) Hb 4:1
We may be afraid then, lest at some time, a promise being left of entering into His stopping, (Future event) anyone of you may be seeming to be deficient.

(CLV) Hb 4:2
For we also have been evangelized, even as those also. But the word heard does not benefit those hearers, not having been blended together with faith in those who hear.

(CLV) Hb 4:3
Then we who believe are entering into the stopping, (hasn't happened yet) according as He has declared, "As I swear in My indignation, `If they shall be entering into My stopping!'" (hasn't happened) although the works occur from the disruption of the world.

(CLV) Hb 4:4
For He has declared somewhere concerning the seventh thus: And God stops "on the seventh day from all His works." (ongoing)

(CLV) Hb 4:5
And in this again, "If they shall be entering into My stopping!" (future event)

(CLV) Hb 4:6
Since, then, it is left for some to be entering into it, (hasn't happened yet) and those to whom the evangel was formerly (past tense) brought did not enter (didn't happen) because of stubbornness,

(CLV) Hb 4:7
He is again specifying a certain day, "Today"—saying in David after so much time, according as has been declared before, "Today, if ever His voice you should be hearing, You should not be hardening your hearts."

(CLV) Hb 4:8
For if Joshua causes them to stop, He would not have spoken concerning another day (not the weekly Sabbath) after these things.

(CLV) Hb 4:9
Consequently a sabbatism is left (present tense) for the people of God.

(CLV) Hb 4:10
For he who is entering into His stopping, (future event) he also stops from his works (in addition presently) even as God from His own. (presently)

(CLV) Hb 4:11
We should be endeavoring, then, to be entering into that stopping, (In the future) lest anyone should be falling into the same example of stubbornness. (Not keeping the seventh day Sabbath, the word of Elohim:

(CLV) Ex 31:13
Now you, speak to the sons of Israel saying-, Surely, My sabbaths shall you keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations to know that I am Yahweh, Who is hallowing you.)

(CLV) Hb 4:12
For the word of God is living and operative, and keener above any two-edged sword, and penetrating up to the parting of soul and spirit, both of the articulations and marrow, and is a judge of the sentiments and thoughts of the heart.

(CLV) Hb 4:13
And there is not a creature which is not apparent in its sight. Now all is naked and bare to the eyes of Him to Whom we are accountable.

Mr. M · Dec 9, 2020

HARK! said:
(CLV) Hb 4:1
We may be afraid then, lest at some time, a promise being left of entering into His stopping, (Future event) anyone of you may be seeming to be deficient.

(CLV) Hb 4:2
For we also have been evangelized, even as those also. But the word heard does not benefit those hearers, not having been blended together with faith in those who hear.

(CLV) Hb 4:3
Then we who believe are entering into the stopping, (hasn't happened yet) according as He has declared, "As I swear in My indignation, `If they shall be entering into My stopping!'" (hasn't happened) although the works occur from the disruption of the world.

(CLV) Hb 4:4
For He has declared somewhere concerning the seventh thus: And God stops "on the seventh day from all His works." (ongoing)

(CLV) Hb 4:5
And in this again, "If they shall be entering into My stopping!" (future event)

(CLV) Hb 4:6
Since, then, it is left for some to be entering into it, (hasn't happened yet) and those to whom the evangel was formerly (past tense) brought did not enter (didn't happen) because of stubbornness,

(CLV) Hb 4:7
He is again specifying a certain day, "Today"—saying in David after so much time, according as has been declared before, "Today, if ever His voice you should be hearing, You should not be hardening your hearts."

(CLV) Hb 4:8
For if Joshua causes them to stop, He would not have spoken concerning another day (not the weekly Sabbath) after these things.

(CLV) Hb 4:9
Consequently a sabbatism is left (present tense) for the people of God.

(CLV) Hb 4:10
For he who is entering into His stopping, (future event) he also stops from his works (in addition presently) even as God from His own. (presently)

(CLV) Hb 4:11
We should be endeavoring, then, to be entering into that stopping, (In the future) lest anyone should be falling into the same example of stubbornness. (Not keeping the seventh day Sabbath, the word of Elohim:

(CLV) Ex 31:13
Now you, speak to the sons of Israel saying-, Surely, My sabbaths shall you keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations to know that I am Yahweh, Who is hallowing you.)

(CLV) Hb 4:12
For the word of God is living and operative, and keener above any two-edged sword, and penetrating up to the parting of soul and spirit, both of the articulations and marrow, and is a judge of the sentiments and thoughts of the heart.

(CLV) Hb 4:13
And there is not a creature which is not apparent in its sight. Now all is naked and bare to the eyes of Him to Whom we are accountable.

2 Peter 3:13. Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth
in which righteousness dwells.
Is this before or after the "Seventh Day."
2 Peter 3:8. But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a
thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

HARK! · Dec 9, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
2 Peter 3:13. Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth
in which righteousness dwells.
Is this before or after the "Seventh Day."
2 Peter 3:8. But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a
thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The new heavens and new earth is also a future event. In the mean time we have our seventh day Shabbats, as a sign.

Studyman · Dec 9, 2020

HARK! said:
YHWH calls all of his people to honor his Sabbath

(CLV) Isa 56:6
As for the sons of the foreigner The proselyte who has joined himself to Yahweh to minister to Him, And to love the Name of Yahweh, to become His servants, Everyone keeping the sabbath, from profaning it, And holding fast to My covenant,

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

This is the passage that Yahshua is quoting when he's driving the money changers out of the Temple.

(CLV) Mt 21:13
And He is saying to them, "It is written, `My house a house of prayer shall be called,' yet you are making it a burglars' cave."

I have a question Brother,

One of the most universal religious traditions of the land that I was born into, is the practice to building shrines of worship to gather in. It is done by EVERY religion of the land, MJ, SDA, Catholic, Islam, Protestant, Buddhism, and on and on.

It is written

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

So my question is, when did the God of the Bible instruct, suggest, imply, or otherwise command or direct His People to build shrines of worship in every town across the world? When did Jesus instruct His Disciples to promote the building of Shrines of worship.

1 Cor. 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

I can only find evidence of ONE Temple made of wood and stone that the God of the Bible Sanctioned. Only one. And this is what HE said about it.

1 Kings 9:1 And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do,

2 That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon.

3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:

5 Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:

7 Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:

Obviously God did indeed cast this Temple made of wood and stone out of HIS Sight.

So where did the instruction to continue erecting shrines of worship, that all religions practice in this world, come from?

And if Solomon was not the promised "Seed", and we know he was not, then wouldn't Jesus be the Promised Seed? And if this is true, wouldn't HE be the one who "builds the house of God"?

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Is this the House of God Nathan spoke to David about?

Is. 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Great topic Hark. I look forward to your take on my question.

HARK! · Dec 9, 2020

@Studyman

The Apostles met in fellowship, if not in synagogues, in people's homes. You and I are technically meeting in fellowship right now.

Studyman · Dec 10, 2020

HARK! said:
@Studyman

The Apostles met in fellowship, if not in synagogues, in people's homes. You and I are technically meeting in fellowship right now.

Yes, we are in fellowship. We have the Oracles of God in our home, in our own hand. We are now in the "Seat of Moses", Yes?

I can understand the reasoning behind the Apostles and Gentiles going to the Synagogue, as in every case it seems, they went to hear Moses as Jesus instructed them and His Disciples to do, given this was the only place on the planet where you could hear Moses at that time.

Matt. 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And again;

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. 44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

The Christ promised of a time, "After those days";

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

And here we are today, where we each "Sit in Moses seat", having been delivered the Oracles of God into our own Home, and our own minds, so that we can "Hear the Word of the Lord" from HIS WORD itself, apart from religious men who say and do not do.

And yet in the land I am born into, ALL religions still create shrines of worship, temples of worship, made with man's hands using wood and stone.

From the outside they all appear similar in appearance, in fact, it is almost impossible to tell them apart from the outside.

I was just curious if you had any Scriptural support for this very popular religious tradition of erecting monuments to God for worship, Shrines of Worship, Temples made of wood and stone.

This religious tradition is universal it seems, practiced by Islam, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, in fact, other than the Apostles of the New Testament, who taught that the we are the Temple of the Living God, I have yet to find a religious sect or franchise on this planet who doesn't practice this tradition.

Can you provide some Scriptural support for where the directive comes from for each individual religious sect or franchise to "build a House of God" made of wood and stone, for prayer and worship?

I'm asking you because you seem to be dedicated to the promotion of Scripture over popular ancient religious doctrines and traditions of religious men.

I look forward to hearing your take on this question.

Greengardener · Dec 12, 2020

Studyman said:
Yes, we are in fellowship. We have the Oracles of God in our home, in our own hand. We are now in the "Seat of Moses", Yes?

I can understand the reasoning behind the Apostles and Gentiles going to the Synagogue, as in every case it seems, they went to hear Moses as Jesus instructed them and His Disciples to do, given this was the only place on the planet where you could hear Moses at that time.

Matt. 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And again;

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. 44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

The Christ promised of a time, "After those days";

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

And here we are today, where we each "Sit in Moses seat", having been delivered the Oracles of God into our own Home, and our own minds, so that we can "Hear the Word of the Lord" from HIS WORD itself, apart from religious men who say and do not do.

And yet in the land I am born into, ALL religions still create shrines of worship, temples of worship, made with man's hands using wood and stone.

From the outside they all appear similar in appearance, in fact, it is almost impossible to tell them apart from the outside.

I was just curious if you had any Scriptural support for this very popular religious tradition of erecting monuments to God for worship, Shrines of Worship, Temples made of wood and stone.

This religious tradition is universal it seems, practiced by Islam, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, in fact, other than the Apostles of the New Testament, who taught that the we are the Temple of the Living God, I have yet to find a religious sect or franchise on this planet who doesn't practice this tradition.

Can you provide some Scriptural support for where the directive comes from for each individual religious sect or franchise to "build a House of God" made of wood and stone, for prayer and worship?

I'm asking you because you seem to be dedicated to the promotion of Scripture over popular ancient religious doctrines and traditions of religious men.

I look forward to hearing your take on this question.

Studyman, this is a good thought to explore. Would you please do the community the honor of starting this in a new thread so it will get the attention it deserves? Thanks!

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