Christmas is of God or Pagan? Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?

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“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?

Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.

Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.

Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season. "It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.

Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
 

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Here's some Biblical references to celebrate Christmas

Includes "Away in a Manger," "Angels We have Heard on High", "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen", "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing", "It came upon a Midnight Clear," "Joy to the World", "Do You Hear What I Hear?" +++

Yeshua, Jesus, Angels - still their heavenly music floats proclaiming His birth which the prophets seen of old and that time had come as foretold. His birth was proclaimed to shepherds in the field by night. The lyrics tell the story including The Star and wise men bearing gold and other gifts. He came to save us from Satan's power. God and sinners reconciled. Bless all the dear children in Thy tender care.. This newborn King brings tidings of comfort and joy; comfort and joy. Good will to men. There's wonders of His love and glories of His righteousness. Let earth receive her King. Joyful all ye nations rise. He rules the world with truth and grace. Come worship our Emmanuel! Come adore Him on bended knee. We worship heaven's all gracious King ever and ever!

Yes celebrate Him everyday
 
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Here's some Biblical references to celebrate Christmas

Includes "Away in a Manger," "Angels We have Heard on High", "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen", "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing", "It came upon a Midnight Clear," "Joy to the World", "Do You Hear What I Hear?" +++

Yeshua, Jesus, Angels - still their heavenly music floats proclaiming His birth which the prophets seen of old and that time had come as foretold. His birth was proclaimed to shepherds in the field by night. The lyrics tell the story including The Star and wise men bearing gold and other gifts. He came to save us from Satan's power. God and sinners reconciled. Bless all the dear children in Thy tender care.. This newborn King brings tidings of comfort and joy; comfort and joy. Good will to men. There's wonders of His love and glories of His righteousness. Let earth receive her King. Joyful all ye nations rise. He rules the world with truth and grace. Come worship our Emmanuel! Come adore Him on bended knee. We worship heaven's all gracious King ever and ever!

Yes celebrate Him everyday

Is is possible that you can copy and paste some scriptures so I can get a better understanding in what you saying?
 
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Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed....
This is patently false. I have been at this forum for more than 2 decades. I was even on staff for about 5 years and every year about this time this forum is flooded with "Christmas is pagan" posts.
Here from my post in June 2017.

Some have said that Jesus couldn’t have been born in December because shepherds did not keep their sheep in the fields past late autumn. But Alfred Edersheim, in his classic work “The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah (1883) ,” cites ancient Jewish sources to the effect that flocks of sheep “remain in the open alike in the hottest days and in the rainy season – i.e. all the year round” (Book 2, p. 186). There was also a special class of Levitical shepherds who kept sacrificial lambs in the field all year round because they were used for sacrifice every month of the year.
Winters can be cold in Palestine, but they vary greatly, and some Decembers are rather mild. A recent study of stalagmites and stalactites in caves near Jerusalem strongly suggests that the average annual rainfall dropped nearly 50 percent from about 3 feet in 100 A.D. to about 1.6 feet in 700 A.D. Average winter temperatures may have varied as well. If Mary could have given birth to a baby in a Bethlehem stable, then hardy shepherds could have watched their flocks in the fields at the same time.
Edersheim concludes, “There is no adequate reason for questioning the historical accuracy of this date (Dec. 25). The objections generally made rest on grounds, which seem to me historically untenable.”
Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
In the end, no one’s Christian faith should depend upon whether Dec. 25 is the date of Jesus’ birth, nor do such questions give us any reason to take Christ out of Christmas. We’d welcome responses from anyone who can prove or disprove this thesis. But sometimes it is comforting, and even fun, to learn that ancient scholars and ancient traditions may have been right all along.
Read more at But Jesus wasn’t born Dec. 25 – was He?

Link to June 2107 post: Christmas is a pagan holiday?!
ETA:
The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah by Alfred Edersheim
But as we pass from the sacred gloom of the cave out into the night, its sky all aglow with starry brightness, its loneliness is peopled, and its silence made vocal from heaven. There is nothing now to conceal, but much to reveal, though the manner of it would seem strangely incongruous to Jewish thinking. And yet Jewish tradition may here prove both illustrative and helpful. That the Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem,949 was a settled conviction. Equally so was the belief, that He was to be revealed from Migdal Eder, ‘the tower of the flock.’950 This Migdal Eder was not the watchtower for the ordinary flocks which pastured on the barren sheepground beyond Bethlehem, but lay close to the town, on the road to Jerusalem. A passage in the Mishnah951 leads to the conclusion, that the flocks, which pastured there, were destined for Temple-acrifices,952 and, accordingly, that the shepherds, who watched over them, were not ordinary shepherds. The latter were under the ban of Rabbinism,953 on account of their necessary isolation from religious ordinances, and their manner of life, which rendered strict legal observance unlikely, if not absolutely impossible.
The same Mishnic passage also leads us to infer, that these flocks lay out all the year round, since they are spoken of as in the fields thirty days before the Passover - that is, in the month of February, when in Palestine the average rainfall is nearly greatest.954 Thus, Jewish tradition in some dim manner apprehended the first revelation of the Messiah from that Migdal Eder, where shepherds watched the Temple-flocks all the year round. Of the deep symbolic significance of such a coincidence, it is needless to speak.
951 Shek. vii. 4.
952 In fact the Mishnah (Baba K. vii. 7) expressly forbids the keeping of flocks throughout the land of Israel, except in the wilderness - and the only flocks otherwise kept, would be those for the Temple-services (Baba K. 80 a).
p. 611
 
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“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?

Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.

Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.

Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season. "It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.

Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
I agree with what you are saying. Certainly there was no snow around when Lord Jesus was born. The only good thing about Christmas is that it is one of the very few times when unbelievers are exposed to something of the gospel. Even that is being diluted, but it's better than nothing. Changing to a more accurate date (September) is not going to happen. Our group is inviting people to a carols event where we'll give out snacks and drinks. We've chosen carols that have some gospel truth and we avoid worldly Christmas songs like the plague. It is what it is. All we can do is see if we can turn it to the benefit of the Kingdom of God, relying on His leading and wisdom to do so.
 
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The church is mostly man guided this day and age, man has decided the celebrations to celebrate. Many teach their way to eternal life and not what is stated in the Gospel of John ( the only book of the Bible stated as being written for that reason). Has made the Bible agree with pagan science and sciences stated creation and not the one given in the Bible. Etc...
 
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“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?

Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.

Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.

Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season. "It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.

Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
This video gives some very useful information.
 
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Here from my post in June 2017.
Some have said that Jesus couldn’t have been born in December because shepherds did not keep their sheep in the fields past late autumn. But Alfred Edersheim, in his classic work “The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah (1883) ,” cites ancient Jewish sources to the effect that flocks of sheep “remain in the open alike in the hottest days and in the rainy season – i.e. all the year round” (Book 2, p. 186). There was also a special class of Levitical shepherds who kept sacrificial lambs in the field all year round because they were used for sacrifice every month of the year.
Winters can be cold in Palestine, but they vary greatly, and some Decembers are rather mild. A recent study of stalagmites and stalactites in caves near Jerusalem strongly suggests that the average annual rainfall dropped nearly 50 percent from about 3 feet in 100 A.D. to about 1.6 feet in 700 A.D. Average winter temperatures may have varied as well. If Mary could have given birth to a baby in a Bethlehem stable, then hardy shepherds could have watched their flocks in the fields at the same time.
Edersheim concludes, “There is no adequate reason for questioning the historical accuracy of this date (Dec. 25). The objections generally made rest on grounds, which seem to me historically untenable.”
Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

This. The sources used to say that shepherds were with sheep in the fields during the summer-fall are the same ones that will also indicate that they were in the fields year round for various reasons. In short, knowing that shepherds were in the field isn't helpful when trying to determine when Jesus was born.

A more interesting approach is to use the courses of the priests since we know which group John the Baptist's father was in and know he was on duty when the birth of John the Baptist was announced. We also have some information on the number of months from there to John's birth and the annunciation of Jesus. So that may be a better way to try.
 
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This. The sources used to say that shepherds were with sheep in the fields during the summer-fall are the same ones that will also indicate that they were in the fields year round for various reasons. In short, knowing that shepherds were in the field isn't helpful when trying to determine when Jesus was born.
A more interesting approach is to use the courses of the priests since we know which group John the Baptist's father was in and know he was on duty when the birth of John the Baptist was announced. We also have some information on the number of months from there to John's birth and the annunciation of Jesus. So that may be a better way to try.
That is not why I quoted the part about shepherds being in the field year around. That was to counter the mistaken argument that Jesus could not have been born in the winter because the sheep were "always" brought in in the winter. I would suggest reading The Life and Times of Jesus Christ" by a former rabbi.
 
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“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?

Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.

Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.

Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season. "It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.

Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.

I agree with you.

You may find my thread informative on why Christmas is not biblical.

Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).
 
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I agree with what you are saying. Certainly there was no snow around when Lord Jesus was born.


The only good thing about Christmas is that it is one of the very few times when unbelievers are exposed to something of the gospel.
That line you said right here hit hard, and of course the truth.



Even that is being diluted, but it's better than nothing. Changing to a more accurate date (September) is not going to happen. Our group is inviting people to a carols event where we'll give out snacks and drinks. We've chosen carols that have some gospel truth and we avoid worldly Christmas songs like the plague. It is what it is. All we can do is see if we can turn it to the benefit of the Kingdom of God, relying on His leading and wisdom to do so.
 
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This video gives some very useful information.

I didn't the watch whole video, but the guy admitted that the church combine christians and pagan together. Now Paul says Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1 Corinthians 10:21 Right?
 
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The church is mostly man guided this day and age, man has decided the celebrations to celebrate. Many teach their way to eternal life and not what is stated in the Gospel of John ( the only book of the Bible stated as being written for that reason). Has made the Bible agree with pagan science and sciences stated creation and not the one given in the Bible. Etc...

That's true, and a lot of times people may find themselves involved in things ungodly not knowing the truth of the matter. As decades past the truth becomes buried or put aside and the beat keeps going. Reminds me of what Jeremiah says....Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord. (Jeremiah 23:16)
 
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Where Did Christmas Come From?

World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ. The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed. The end of December was an especially significant time in the northern hemisphere. Days were short; nights long. The sun was at its lowest point. This called for the celebration of special festivals of thanksgiving and encouragement to the waning sun. When at the winter solstice in late December, the days began to lengthen once again, there was great festivity lasting into the first part of January. The reason was that the declining sun---the light of the world--had been reborn and began to gain in strength. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice ". The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra (the Persian's Sun God) celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun).

The history book a Pictorial History of the Italian People states, "Saint Gregory was repelled by Graeco-Roman civilization and, paradoxically, did more than anyone else to facilitate the absorption of pagan residues into Italian Christianity. Through that process of absorption, any paganism hostile to Christianity remaining in Italian rural communities faded away".

The simple fact is that, as more and more people from throughout the Western Roman Empire became converted to an increasingly popular Christianity, they brought many of their favorite customs with them. "The pagan [winter festivals of the] Saturnalia and Brumalia were too deeply entrenched in popular custom to be set aside by Christian influence... The pagan festival with its riot and merrymaking was so popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit or in manner... Christians of Mesopotamia accused their western brethren of idolatry and sun-worship for adopting as Christian this pagan festival. Yet the festival rapidly gained acceptance and became at last so firmly entrenched that even the Protestant revolution of the sixteenth century was not able to dislodge it..." (The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Volume III, article "Christmas.")

You see this going on in churches today. Churches are constantly recruiting new members from other denominations and they often bring some aspect of their previous church to the new one. If you notice, many Christians today celebrate the Roman Catholic tradition of Lent. Historically, Lent, was not celebrated by Protestant churches.
 
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There maybe be elements of December 25th that have pagan origin and it isn't the date of Jesus birth- (Luke 1:5 gives a date for when Zechariah was in the Temple), that's more like September and the Feast of Tabernacles.

However Dec 25 it isn't likely to change anytime soon.
Perhaps it's wise to use the date to share the gospel as much as possible, some people are more willing to listen at Christmas. Also to spend quality time with family and to look after the vulnerable amongst us, those on their own 'whatever you did for the least of these my Brethern you did for me'. A call or a visit for a vulnerable person at this time can make a world of difference. God Bless :)
 
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The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra (the Persian's Sun God) celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun).
This is false. The Winter Solstice is on December 21-22, not on December 25. The pagan celebrations lasted for over a week whereas Christmas was celebrated on one day.
The pagan festival with its riot and merrymaking was so popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit or in manner.
Christian celebration of the birth of Christ had nothing in common with the pagan merrymaking. You would do well to attend the Christmas liturgy at an Orthodox Church to get a taste of what it was like.
 
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Historically, Lent, was not celebrated by Protestant churches.
The vast majority of Protestants have continued to include Lent in their liturgical calendar since their inception.
 
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This is false. The Winter Solstice is on December 21-22, not on December 25. The pagan celebrations lasted for over a week whereas Christmas was celebrated on one day.

Christian celebration of the birth of Christ had nothing in common with the pagan merrymaking. You would do well to attend the Christmas liturgy at an Orthodox Church to get a taste of what it was like.

Bless us with some history or Bible scriptures to prove what you are saying. Paul says Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21
 
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I didn't the watch whole video, but the guy admitted that the church combine christians and pagan together. Now Paul says Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1 Corinthians 10:21 Right?
How are you going to tie that to Christmas?
 
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“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?

Christmas - Christ-mass - is not pagan.
December 25th is the day on which we celebrate the incarnation; Emmanuel, God with us. Scripture does not say he was born on the day, therefore it is not unscriptural to remember his birth on that day. In fact he probably wasn't born then, since the months of the year changed. If I remember correctly, 2 extra months were added at some point; July, after Julius Caesar, and August after Augustus. Originally, September was the seventh month - Sept meaning 7 - October, the eighth - Oct, octopus, octogen etc, and December the 10th.

The important thing is that we celebrate the incarnation and put Christ back into Christmas. This is more important than ever in a society which, generally, does not seem to know the Christmas story, despite having access to hundreds of Bibles and Scriptural resources. Children are being brought up to think that Christmas is Santa, snowmen, fluffy penguins and food, drink and sweets. We should be reclaiming Christmas, not arguing about the date his birth might have taken place.

Personally, I wish church leaders would get together and announce that we will be celebrating Christmas in June. That would take everybody by surprise, we could celebrate the incarnation without all the commercial trappings, and folks could still have their Santa choc fest at the end of the year.
 
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