The 2 Beasts with The harlot

Davy · Dec 7, 2020

timothyu said:
What I spoke of above and is happening now globally under the guidance of a handful of leaders, could fall sway to one being yes. But anti-Christ is a system, a system contrary to the system of the Kingdom. It has always been the system and ways of self serving man.

No, the "antichrist" is not a system.

Apostle John said the brethren had heard that 'antichrist' shall come. That means they had already learned that from somewhere. Where? Right here...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

In Revelation 12:7 forward, we are shown Satan with his angels being booted out of heaven down to this earth, in our dimension. That's not past history, it has not happened yet. It is in connection with the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses in Jerusalem for the end of this world.

timothyu · Dec 7, 2020

Davy said:
No, the "antichrist" is not a system.

Au contraire. The system of the Kingdom is to put God's will before the will of man. His will is we love all as self. Adam and Eve were the first to put their will before His, original sin and we have followed suit ever since putting self before others, pursuing self interest and self determination of what is good and evil in order to self justify our gains at the expense of others. 7 billion + people at present living the adversarial ways of the Adversary to God, the system of man. The Adversary is simply the god of man's world and system and yes rules through most men, but may take a specific form in the end.

Davy · Dec 7, 2020

timothyu said:
Au contraire. The system of the Kingdom is to put God's will before the will of man. His will is we love all as self. Adam and Eve were the first to put their will before His, original sin and we have followed suit ever since putting self before others, pursuing self interest and self determination of what is good and evil in order to self justify our gains at the expense of others. 7 billion + people at present living the adversarial ways of the Adversary to God, the system of man. The Adversay is simply the god of man's world and system.

My original post was clear per Scripture. The 2nd beast is about a person that comes working miracles, which is the same one Jesus warned of in Matthew 24:23-26, and that Paul warned of in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9, and that John warned of in Revelation 13:11 forward. So no need to re-hash all that. It's clear the Antichrist is not the kingdom, but the beast king. And it will be a kingdom he will setup over all the earth at the end of this world prior to Christ's coming.

timothyu · Dec 7, 2020

Davy said:
And it will be a kingdom he will setup over all the earth at the end of this world prior to Christ's coming.

Which is precisely what I speak of when mentioned BBB build back better and the Great Reset using environment and health as the movement to gain global credibility with mankind as some sort of earthly saviour. Show me one time in human existence where good intentions were never taken over by those who wish to oppress. That includes Christianity btw..

nolidad · Dec 7, 2020

Davy said:
Rev.17:14
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

In Revelation 13:4-8 we are told the "dragon" will be given power for 42 months over the saints. This shows Lord Jesus' time of return at the end of that, and points out just who will remain in Him, only those who are called, chosen, and faithful. When He does return then, will He find Faith on the earth? Yes, among His elect servants who remain Faithful waiting on Him and do not fall away to the "dragon" who comes first to play a fake-Messiah.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Here's the clear definition of the "waters" the "great harlot" sits upon. The waters represent peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues, basically the whole earth. So what is that "great harlot", the Babylon Harlot? We're getting closer.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

The ten kings are part of the 1st beast, making up a kingdom. They will hate the "great harlot"? Who is she then, for that makes it clear she is not the beast? The ten kings basically attack her, but in the spiritual sense. And our Heavenly Father wills all this to happen for the end? Yes, which is especially why we need to truly understand it, as He has revealed it to His servants.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Finally! Now we know what that "great harlot", the Babylon Harlot, really represents! It is a "great city"! What "great city" though?

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

That "great city" is about Jerusalem, where our Lord Jesus was crucified! Surely Lord Jesus doesn't mean Jerusalem as the "great harlot" and Babylon Harlot of Revelation, does He???

Yes, He does mean JERUSALEM FOR THE END OF THIS WORLD...

Brethren, have you not read Ezekiel 16 of what God said about the city of Jebus under the pagans? Jerusalem was called Jebus when the pagans possessed prior to king David conquering it and it being named Jerusalem. Ezekiel 16 then continues about Jerusalem's history with the children of Israel, and how many times they allowed pagan idolatry to creep in and make Jerusalem become a 'harlot' city! God uses strong metaphors there about a harlot that He found in a ditch, all bloodied and sort, and He cleansed her, adorned her with beautiful clothing and jewels, and He then covered her with His skirt (an OT symbol for marriage consummation). But she became a HARLOT! and went after her lovers from Baal, etc. That is what He is going to allow for Jerusalem at the very end of this world for the tribulation. Satan is coming there to play the beast king at Jerusalem, making her spiritually desolate, and as the "great harlot" of Ezekiel 16!

In Revelation 18, the "great harlot" says this about herself...

Rev 18:7
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, "I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow."
KJV

She says about herself, "I sit a queen, and am no widow...". That is metaphorical, so what does it mean? Remember the purple and scarlet she is decked with per the early part of Rev.17? She represents Jerusalem, that sits as a harlot queen, and she says she is not a widow? In Isaiah 47 and Isaiah 54, God used the idea of 'widowhood' for both the historical Babylon, and also about Jerusalem. In the Isaiah 54 version, it is about relief of Jerusalem's widowhood condition with His return to earth. It's because God showed in Ezekiel 16 that He married Jerusalem, but then put her away.

And the big question of what she said about not being a 'widow' means, she is married. But not to God, because until Jesus returns, Jerusalem is in a state of spiritual widowhood! So who is she married to when these ten kings and beast king come to power at the end of this world? Well, who is the "dragon" of Revelation 12 and Revelation 13:11?

Well yuo were doing pretty good until you named the harlot a city. EVRY time a woman is used symbolically in SCripture it is always a religious system. An adulterous o whorish woman is a false religious system. ALWAYS!

One identity given here is on her forehead:
Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

Jerusalem was never the city or religious system that was the mother of all harlots and abominations. However Babylon was! going all the way back to Nimrod who founded Babylon, he also founded all the mystery religions of the earth! They are still alive today! Israel was definitely guilty of reverting to pagan practices numerous times- but they were not the mother of them.

From Wiki:

"Mystery religions, mystery cults, sacred mysteries or simply mysteries, were religious schools of the Greco-Roman world for which participation was reserved to initiates (mystai).[1] The main characterization of this religion is the secrecy associated with the particulars of the initiation and the ritual practice, which may not be revealed to outsiders. The most famous mysteries of Greco-Roman antiquity were the Eleusinian Mysteries, which were of considerable antiquity and predated the Greek Dark Ages."

these were all birthed in ancient Babylon and the ziggurat that the people tried to construct! 2 of the more famous mystery religions functioning to day are the Masons and Mormons.

And that great city is rebuilt Babylon itself! It is already a flourishing city again with many massive buildings rebuilt. Saddam Hussein used over 6,000,000 bricks from ancinet Babylon with Nebuchadnezzars image on it ands placed his image on the other side to construct many of the buildings.

Just look at REv. 18 which is still in the context.

Many conjecture that the Antichrist will make his headquarters first in the rebuilt Babylon before He moves it to Jerusalem at the midpoint of the 70th week of Daniel.

We also need to remember that Jerusalem has never been a world trading center. If the Antichrist makes his cpaitol in Babylon as is implied in Daniel then it would become a major trading center.

So the woman is the false religious system of the end. Babylon the city is not code for Jerusalem

Douggg · Dec 7, 2020

nolidad said:
Jerusalem was never the city or religious system that was the mother of all harlots and abominations. However Babylon was! going all the way back to Nimrod who founded Babylon, he also founded all the mystery religions of the earth!

And before then. Cain slew Abel before the flood.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his third of the angels overshadowing the earth.
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The city in Revelation 18 is analogy for the upcoming sudden destruction of Satan's kingdom.

Douggg · Dec 7, 2020

nolidad said:
Many conjecture that the Antichrist will make his headquarters first in the rebuilt Babylon before He moves it to Jerusalem at the midpoint of the 70th week of Daniel.

That's not going to happen.

nolidad · Dec 7, 2020

Douggg said:
And before then. Cain slew Abel before the flood.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his third of the angels overshadowing the earth.
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The city in Revelation 18 is analogy for the upcoming sudden destruction of Satan's kingdom.

Cain had nothing to do with establishing harlot religious systems. He just sinned.

Babylon under Nimrod instituted the Mystery Religions which still exist today!

Satan and his demons are in control of all false religious systems, but it is the battle on earth that is being written about with real cities and real people and real goods!

Satan was kicked out of heaven in the mid point of the trib never to return.

It is always easy for people to get real mystical with the book of Revelation because there is the use of many symbols in the book! but the golden rule of rightly dividing the word of God is:

When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.”–Dr. David L. Cooper (1886-1965),

Too many Christians have come up with these mystical interpretations of Revelations and thus become guilty of doing teh very practice of the mystery religions that God has condemned!

Now the antichrist will rule form Bavbylon and it will be a world capitol so that means Satan will be heavily involved there as this is the culmination of world gfovernments and world false religious systems. But teh whole earth is right now Satans kingdom! He is the temporary god of this Word until Jesus comes down and dethrones him and sets up His kingdom here on earth!

nolidad · Dec 7, 2020

Douggg said:
That's not going to happen.

Well I am glad you think you can peer into the future and know for sure! which BTW is forbidden for believers to do! However Scripture in its normal usual sense reading of REv. 18 shows Babylon becomes a great city once again!

I can't say with 100% sureness, but i can patiently wait to see how REv. 17 and 18 are played out! I will have a great seat in heaven to watch it from!

Douggg · Dec 7, 2020

nolidad said:
Cain had nothing to do with establishing harlot religious systems. He just sinned.

Well, that means your interpretation of the harlot and the inscription of Babylon the Great on her head as being harlot religions systems is wrong.

nolidad · Dec 7, 2020

Douggg said:
Well, that means your interpretation of the harlot and the inscription of Babylon the Great on her head as being harlot religions systems is wrong.

Well if you read my words as I wrote them, you would not come up with such a sill re-interpretations of my words! Cuz this answer bears no reality to what I wrote.

Douggg · Dec 7, 2020

nolidad said:
Well if you read my words as I wrote them, you would not come up with such a sill re-interpretations of my words! Cuz this answer bears no reality to what I wrote.

The great harlot is the Vatican, headquarters and policy makers for the RCC, located in the city of the seven hills (mountains), and worldwide, and has influence over the leaders of nations.

Mystery, Babylon the Great - the mystical kingdom of Satan and his third of the angels, overshadowing the earth. Will be dismantled and destroyed beginning with the 7th trumpet sounding in the middle part of the 7 years.

The beast dictator of the EU, and his kingdom the EU, which the ten leaders of the EU will burn the Vatican to the ground.

Douggg · Dec 7, 2020

nolidad said:
Well I am glad you think you can peer into the future and know for sure! which BTW is forbidden for believers to do! However Scripture in its normal usual sense reading of REv. 18 shows Babylon becomes a great city once again!

It doesn't indicate that at all. Revelation 18 is a analogy of a great trading city that suddenly meets it's demise. It is talking about the sudden fall and dismantling of Satan and his third of the angels' mystical kingdom overshadowing the earth being destroyed.

mlepfitjw · Dec 7, 2020

This!

(Might be to much for some)

parousia70 · Dec 7, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Jerusalem has not reigned over the kings of the earth.

Scripture disagrees.
Earthly Jerusalem, by Divine right and calling, was the preeminent city among all nations. The Hebrew/Biblical understanding of Jerusalem is that she is the "Chief of the nations" (Jeremiah 31:7; Ez 5:5), the Queen city of the earth (Lam 1:1/Rev 18:7). She, by Divine right and covenant, was appointed as the head of all nations (Deut 26:19; Deut 15:6; Deut 28:1,10-13), and the gentile kings recognized God's dwelling was at Jerusalem with the Hebrews (1 Ki 10:24; Luke 11:31; Ezra 1:2; Dan 2:47, 3:28-29, 4:1-3, 4:17, 4:34-37; Ezra 1; Ezra 4-7; Ezra 7:15,23).

The Governor of all nations (Ps. 22:28) lived in Jerusalem in his House (Ez 7:15,23), and all the kingdom, power and might over earth was His (1 Chron 29:11-12). Indeed, all kings receive their power to rule from that Divine King (Rom 13:1-2,6; John 19:11; 1 Pet 2:13-14,17; Ez 1:2; Dan 1:1-2; Dan 2:20-21; Dan 2:37-38; Dan 2:47, Dan 3:28-29; Dan 4:1-3,17,34-37.).

parousia70 · Dec 7, 2020

nolidad said:
Jerusalem was never the city or religious system that was the mother of all harlots and abominations.

Rather, Jerusalem was famous for becoming The Harlot City -- an unfaithful spouse to her King (Isa 1:21; Jer 3:6-10; Ez 16:37-39).

Jeremiah 3:1 They say, If a man divorces his wife, And she goes from him And becomes another mans, May he return to her again? Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me, says the Lord.

Jeremiah 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withheld, And there has been no latter rain. You have had a harlots forehead; You refuse to be ashamed.

Jeremiah 3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.

Jeremiah 13:27 I have seen your adulteries And your lustful neighings, The lewdness of your harlotry, Your abominations on the hills in the fields. Woe to you, O Jerusalem! Will you still not be made clean?

Ezekiel 16:15 But you trusted in your own beauty, played the harlot because of your fame, and poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have it.

Ezekiel 16:16 You took some of your garments and adorned multicolored high places for yourself, and played the harlot on them. Such things should not happen, nor be.

Ezekiel 16:17 You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself male images and played the harlot with them.

Ezekiel 16:20 Moreover you took your sons and your daughters, whom you bore to Me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your acts of harlotry a small matter,

Ezekiel 16:22 And in all your abominations and acts of harlotry you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, struggling in your blood.

Ezekiel 16:25 You built your high places at the head of every road, and made your beauty to be abhorred. You offered yourself to everyone who passed by, and multiplied your acts of harlotry.

Ezekiel 16:26 You also committed harlotry with the Egyptians, your very fleshly neighbors, and increased your acts of harlotry to provoke Me to anger.

Ezekiel 16:28 You also played the harlot with the Assyrians, because you were insatiable; indeed you played the harlot with them and still were not satisfied.

Ezekiel 16:29 Moreover you multiplied your acts of harlotry as far as the land of the trader, Chaldea; and even then you were not satisfied.

Ezekiel 16:30 How degenerate is your heart!says the Lord God, seeing you do all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot.

Ezekiel 16:31 You erected your shrine at the head of every road, and built your high place in every street. Yet you were not like a harlot, because you scorned payment.

Ezekiel 16:34 You are the opposite of other women in your harlotry, because no one solicited you to be a harlot. In that you gave payment but no payment was given you, therefore you are the opposite.

Ezekiel 16:35 Now then, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord!

Ezekiel 16:36 Thus says the Lord God: Because your filthiness was poured out and your nakedness uncovered in your harlotry with your lovers, and with all your abominable idols, and because of the blood of your children which you gave to them,

Ezekiel 20:30 Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Are you defiling yourselves in the manner of your fathers, and committing harlotry according to their abominations?

Ezekiel 23:11 Now although her sister Oholibah saw this, she became more corrupt in her lust than she, and in her harlotry more corrupt than her sisters harlotry.

Ezekiel 23:14 But she increased her harlotry; She looked at men portrayed on the wall, Images of Chaldeans portrayed in vermilion,

Ezekiel 23:18 She revealed her harlotry and uncovered her nakedness. Then I alienated Myself from her, As I had alienated Myself from her sister.

Ezekiel 23:19 Yet she multiplied her harlotry In calling to remembrance the days of her youth, When she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

Ezekiel 23:27 Thus I will make you cease your lewdness and your harlotry Brought from the land of Egypt, So that you will not lift your eyes to them, Nor remember Egypt anymore.

Ezekiel 23:29 They will deal hatefully with you, take away all you have worked for, and leave you naked and bare. The nakedness of your harlotry shall be uncovered, both your lewdness and your harlotry.

Ezekiel 23:30 I will do these things to you because you have gone as a harlot after the Gentiles, because you have become defiled by their idols.

Ezekiel 23:35 Therefore thus says the Lord God: Because you have forgotten Me and cast Me behind your back, Therefore you shall bear the penalty Of your lewdness and your harlotry.

Ezekiel 43:7 And He said to me, Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My holy name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places.

Ezekiel 43:9 Now let them put their harlotry and the carcasses of their kings far away from Me, and I will dwell in their midst forever.

Hosea 4:11 Harlotry, wine, and new wine enslave the heart.

Hosea 4:12 My people ask counsel from their wooden idols, And their staff informs them. For the spirit of harlotry has caused them to stray, And they have played the harlot against their God.

Hosea 4:15 Though you, Israel, play the harlot, Let not Judah offend. Do not come up to Gilgal, Nor go up to Beth Aven, Nor swear an oath, saying, As the Lord lives

Amos 7:17 Therefore thus says the Lord: Your wife shall be a harlot in the city; Your sons and daughters shall fall by the sword; Your land shall be divided by survey line; You shall die in a defiled land; And Israel shall surely be led away captive From his own land.

ewq1938 · Dec 7, 2020

Davy said:
One could consider the two horns symbol to represent the "another beast" (Antichrist) and the "false prophet", if that's what you're saying.

The FP is the AC. In the epistles John uses Antichrist but not FP and in Revelation he uses FP not AC but same person who rules the ten horned beast empire and performs miracles. Paul called him the man of sin and that Wicked.

Also, one beast has the two horns so the horns do not represent two different beasts. IMO the two little horns both point us back to Daniel's little horn as well as signifying the one beast will be a king twice.
He is the 7th and 8th king mentioned here:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

friend of · Dec 7, 2020

ewq1938 said:
The FP is the AC. In the epistles John uses Antichrist but not FP and in Revelation he uses FP not AC but same person who rules the ten horned beast empire and performs miracles. Paul called him the man of sin and that Wicked

I disagree. Satan can't counterfeit the Holy trinity if the AC and FP are the same person. In Revelation it also says that the second beast causes people to worship the first beast, who is the AC.

chad kincham · Dec 7, 2020

Davy said:
Rev.17:14
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

In Revelation 13:4-8 we are told the "dragon" will be given power for 42 months over the saints. This shows Lord Jesus' time of return at the end of that, and points out just who will remain in Him, only those who are called, chosen, and faithful. When He does return then, will He find Faith on the earth? Yes, among His elect servants who remain Faithful waiting on Him and do not fall away to the "dragon" who comes first to play a fake-Messiah.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Here's the clear definition of the "waters" the "great harlot" sits upon. The waters represent peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues, basically the whole earth. So what is that "great harlot", the Babylon Harlot? We're getting closer.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

The ten kings are part of the 1st beast, making up a kingdom. They will hate the "great harlot"? Who is she then, for that makes it clear she is not the beast? The ten kings basically attack her, but in the spiritual sense. And our Heavenly Father wills all this to happen for the end? Yes, which is especially why we need to truly understand it, as He has revealed it to His servants.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Finally! Now we know what that "great harlot", the Babylon Harlot, really represents! It is a "great city"! What "great city" though?

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

That "great city" is about Jerusalem, where our Lord Jesus was crucified! Surely Lord Jesus doesn't mean Jerusalem as the "great harlot" and Babylon Harlot of Revelation, does He???

Yes, He does mean JERUSALEM FOR THE END OF THIS WORLD...

Brethren, have you not read Ezekiel 16 of what God said about the city of Jebus under the pagans? Jerusalem was called Jebus when the pagans possessed prior to king David conquering it and it being named Jerusalem. Ezekiel 16 then continues about Jerusalem's history with the children of Israel, and how many times they allowed pagan idolatry to creep in and make Jerusalem become a 'harlot' city! God uses strong metaphors there about a harlot that He found in a ditch, all bloodied and sort, and He cleansed her, adorned her with beautiful clothing and jewels, and He then covered her with His skirt (an OT symbol for marriage consummation). But she became a HARLOT! and went after her lovers from Baal, etc. That is what He is going to allow for Jerusalem at the very end of this world for the tribulation. Satan is coming there to play the beast king at Jerusalem, making her spiritually desolate, and as the "great harlot" of Ezekiel 16!

In Revelation 18, the "great harlot" says this about herself...

Rev 18:7
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, "I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow."
KJV

She says about herself, "I sit a queen, and am no widow...". That is metaphorical, so what does it mean? Remember the purple and scarlet she is decked with per the early part of Rev.17? She represents Jerusalem, that sits as a harlot queen, and she says she is not a widow? In Isaiah 47 and Isaiah 54, God used the idea of 'widowhood' for both the historical Babylon, and also about Jerusalem. In the Isaiah 54 version, it is about relief of Jerusalem's widowhood condition with His return to earth. It's because God showed in Ezekiel 16 that He married Jerusalem, but then put her away.

And the big question of what she said about not being a 'widow' means, she is married. But not to God, because until Jesus returns, Jerusalem is in a state of spiritual widowhood! So who is she married to when these ten kings and beast king come to power at the end of this world? Well, who is the "dragon" of Revelation 12 and Revelation 13:11?

It’s not Jerusalem.

Per Zechariah 14, not only is God not going to destroy Jerusalem, but He instead saves Jerusalem when the city is being destroyed by a coalition of nations that are attacking.

Jesus returns in verse 5 and saves Jerusalem.

Walid Shoebat is an ex Muslim Christian, born in Bethlehem, who started reading the Bible to disprove his Christian wife - his take on end time prophecy is from a Middle East perspective and not a western mindset:

ewq1938 · Dec 7, 2020

friend of said:
I disagree. Satan can't counterfeit the Holy trinity if the AC and FP are the same person.

That makes no sense and Satan can counterfeit anything.

In Revelation it also says that the second beast causes people to worship the first beast, who is the AC.

The FP is the AC who wants his empire to be worshiped because it's the same as worshiping him. Thousand years Nazi's worshiped Nazism as well as Hitler. This will be similar.

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received
the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Here we read of the second beast, who performs miracles in the sight of the first beast and performing those miracles in order to deceive the people!

Paul's Antichrist was called the man of sin and he is described as doing the same things for the same reason as the false prophet:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

Lying wonders is the same as deceiving miracles.

False prophet and the man of sin are the same person, the Antichrist.

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I love you three.

A private in Gods army

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I love you three.

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