LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

Dale said:

Your conclusions show an undue reliance on the King James Version of the Bible.


The quotes you give from the KJV on the deaths of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac, as well as quotes from Job and Mark on the death of Jesus, all use the phrase "gave up the ghost."

This phrase is not used in the NIV. The same passages in the NIV all use the phrase "breathed his last" except for Job, who simply says "I wish I had died."

Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age,
an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his
people. Genesis 25: 8 NIV

Altogether, Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years.
He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his
people. Genesis 25:17 NIV

Isaac lived a hundred and eighty years.
Ge. 35:29 Then he breathed his last and died and was gathered to his
people, old and full of years. And his sons Esau and Jacob
buried him.
Genesis 35: 28-29 NIV

“Why then did you bring me out of the womb? I wish I had
died before any eye saw me.
Job 10:18 NIV

With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
Mark 15:37 NIV

This isn't just a feature of the NIV translation. Young's Literal Translation came out in the middle of the 19th century. It is almost as old as the LDS church. Instead of "gave up the ghost," the YLT uses the word "expireth" in all cases except the death of Jesus on the cross. Jesus "yielded the spirit" in the YLT. This isn't controversial because no Christian doubts that Jesus existed before Incarnation and continued to exist after His crucifixion.

7 And these [are] the
days of the years of the life of Abraham, which he lived, a
hundred and seventy and five years; 8 and Abraham expireth,
and dieth in a good old age, aged and satisfied, and is
gathered unto his people.
Genesis 25:7-8 YLT

And these [are] the years of the life of
Ishmael, a hundred and thirty and seven years; and he
expireth, and dieth, and is gathered unto his people;
Genesis 25:17 YLT

And the days of Isaac
are a hundred and eighty years, 29 and Isaac expireth, and
dieth, and is gathered unto his people, aged and satisfied with
days; and bury him do Esau and Jacob his sons
Genesis 35:28-29 YLT

And why from the womb Hast Thou brought me
forth? I expire, and the eye doth not see me.
Job 10:18 YLT

And Jesus having uttered a loud cry,
yielded the spirit, 38 and the veil of the sanctuary was rent in
two, from top to bottom,
Mark 15: 37-38 YLT

The phrase "gathered to his people" is used in connection with the deaths of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac both in the KJV, the NIV and the YLT. This is a clue that Genesis puts more emphasis on the patriarch joining his ancestors than his soul going to heaven, if the latter is an OT concept.

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You didn't explain this one:

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:6 - 7)

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Here is another:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 5:1 - 8)

1 FOR we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Dale said:

Peter: "First God created Adam, and then what did he do? God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and it was then that Adam became a living soul."

You are splitting the act of creation into two.

The creation of Eve doesn't happen in two parts.

And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Genesis 2:7 KJV

There is no two-part creation when God creates male and female in Genesis One. There God doesn't create body and then soul, it is all one act.

So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created him him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:27 KJV

Youn'g literal translation doesn't use the word soul in connection with Adam. Adam is simply a "living creature."

7 And Jehovah God formeth the man—dust from the ground, and breatheth into
his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature.
Genesis 2:7 YLT

22 And Jehovah God buildeth up the rib which He hath taken out of the man into a
woman, and bringeth her in unto the man;
Genesis 2:22 YLT

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Part one: God creates a lifeless body of the dust of the ground.
Part two: God breathes into this lifeless body "the breath of life" and the lifeless body comes alive.

I don't want to argue this splitting of hair discussion much, but in order to breath into the notstrils of Adam, the nostrils had to be formed first (part 1), then after they were formed, God could then breath the "breath of life" into them (part 2), and only then, did Adam come alive.

If you want to call that all one part, go ahead, it does not make a lot of difference. The scripture just points out that the soul of man is made up from 2 parts. Body made from the dust of the ground, and "the breath of life", created by God, which we call "spirit".

The existence of pre-earth souls was taught by certain churches for 500 years after Jesus, until the council of Constantinople, when a majority of bishops that did not believe in the pre-existence of souls banned the teaching. They were wrong and from that time the beautiful teaching of the pre-existent spirit has not been taught. That is one doctrine that JS learned to be true and restored the teaching, and a much expanded knowledge of the pre-existence of the soul/spirit.

When you learn it in full context, a lot of questions are answererd and it starts to make things in the bible make much more sense. So keep searching this doctrine and learn where you came from, why you are here on earth, and where you can go after this earth life. It is a wonderful study, and the knowledge helps you to stay on the right path all the way to the kingdom of heaven.

mmksparbud said:

That is what I've said---Adam was basically a sculpture, made from the dust of the earth. When God breathed into his nostrils, Adam became a living soul. It does not say, God put a soul into him---he came one with the breath of life from.

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I can only say that we believe that when God says he "breathed into Adams nostrils the breath of life", it is a poetic metaphor to "and God put the spirit of Adam into Adams lifeless body, and he became a living soul".

I know, you do not believe in the pre-existence of spirits, but we do.

Dale said:

Your conclusions show an undue reliance on the King James Version of the Bible.


The quotes you give from the KJV on the deaths of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac, as well as quotes from Job and Mark on the death of Jesus, all use the phrase "gave up the ghost."

This phrase is not used in the NIV. The same passages in the NIV all use the phrase "breathed his last" except for Job, who simply says "I wish I had died."

Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age,
an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his
people. Genesis 25: 8 NIV

Altogether, Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years.
He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his
people. Genesis 25:17 NIV

Isaac lived a hundred and eighty years.
Ge. 35:29 Then he breathed his last and died and was gathered to his
people, old and full of years. And his sons Esau and Jacob
buried him.
Genesis 35: 28-29 NIV

“Why then did you bring me out of the womb? I wish I had
died before any eye saw me.
Job 10:18 NIV

With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
Mark 15:37 NIV

This isn't just a feature of the NIV translation. Young's Literal Translation came out in the middle of the 19th century. It is almost as old as the LDS church. Instead of "gave up the ghost," the YLT uses the word "expireth" in all cases except the death of Jesus on the cross. Jesus "yielded the spirit" in the YLT. This isn't controversial because no Christian doubts that Jesus existed before Incarnation and continued to exist after His crucifixion.

7 And these [are] the
days of the years of the life of Abraham, which he lived, a
hundred and seventy and five years; 8 and Abraham expireth,
and dieth in a good old age, aged and satisfied, and is
gathered unto his people.
Genesis 25:7-8 YLT

And these [are] the years of the life of
Ishmael, a hundred and thirty and seven years; and he
expireth, and dieth, and is gathered unto his people;
Genesis 25:17 YLT

And the days of Isaac
are a hundred and eighty years, 29 and Isaac expireth, and
dieth, and is gathered unto his people, aged and satisfied with
days; and bury him do Esau and Jacob his sons
Genesis 35:28-29 YLT

And why from the womb Hast Thou brought me
forth? I expire, and the eye doth not see me.
Job 10:18 YLT

And Jesus having uttered a loud cry,
yielded the spirit, 38 and the veil of the sanctuary was rent in
two, from top to bottom,
Mark 15: 37-38 YLT

The phrase "gathered to his people" is used in connection with the deaths of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac both in the KJV, the NIV and the YLT. This is a clue that Genesis puts more emphasis on the patriarch joining his ancestors than his soul going to heaven, if the latter is an OT concept.

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I think if is interesting that the bible you use can help form your doctrine. It is obvious in 1610, that the people believed that all people have a ghost/spirit inside of them.

That doctrine for some people in the 19th century was not true anymore.

I am sure if you rifle through 100 different translations of the bible, you might become even more confused. That is why it was important to have living apostles and prophets in your church, so as to keep people on the right path with the doctrines of the kingdom.

Peter1000 said:

I can only say that we believe that when God says he "breathed into Adams nostrils the breath of life", it is a poetic metaphor to "and God put the spirit of Adam into Adams lifeless body, and he became a living soul".

I know, you do not believe in the pre-existence of spirits, but we do.

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Convenient to make something that clearly does not say anything other than God breathed the breath of life into Adam to make that a metaphor for something that matches your theories and has nothing to do with the way the whole rest of the book is written!! It in no way says that there were pre existing souls who lived before we were born. That is what your false prophets have made up and you are certainly free to believe anything you want. I see no reason to believe in anything that contradicts what it clearly says. He gave that same breath of life to all living things---the whale and the worm alike. Do you also believe that they all existed before God gave them the breath of life also?? Nothing can exist without His breath of life---it belongs to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit--one God in whom all things exist when He gives them that breath of life. If they existed before creation, then they had that breath of life and did not need it again.

mmksparbud said:

Convenient to make something that clearly does not say anything other than God breathed the breath of life into Adam to make that a metaphor for something that matches your theories and has nothing to do with the way the whole rest of the book is written!! It in no way says that there were pre existing souls who lived before we were born. That is what your false prophets have made up and you are certainly free to believe anything you want. I see no reason to believe in anything that contradicts what it clearly says. He gave that same breath of life to all living things---the whale and the worm alike. Do you also believe that they all existed before God gave them the breath of life also?? Nothing can exist without His breath of life---it belongs to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit--one God in whom all things exist when He gives them that breath of life. If they existed before creation, then they had that breath of life and did not need it again.

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Yes, we believe that God created everything spiritual before it was naturally upon the earth, even whales and worms.

Read this:
Genesis 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Notice the bold especially, and then even more specially, the underlined bolded word.

So on day six, God created every living creature that moveth. So lets analyze that. A whale can live lets say up to 50 years, I don't know for sure, but lets say 50. If every whale that was created in verse 12, lived on earth for the first 50 years of earth life, there would be no whales today. Right? Every living whale was created, and put on the earth on the 6th day, and then lived for about 50 years and died, why do we still see whales today, 5500 years after the creation.

Did God not create every living creature like it says, or did God actually create all living creatures spiritually, and then as their time came to come to earth, their spiritual bodies were transferred to their mortal bodies? And so we had whales on day one, and day two and so on and so forth until this very day.

Every living creature created on day 6 in their spiritual form, and then their spirits were transferred to their mortal bodies. This is the doctrine of the pre-existent spirit. The bible tells you that it is true, but you have to study it with the mind set that there was a pre-existence, otherwise it is difficult to see.

Why is that, because the council of Constantinople in 533 banned the doctrine of the pre-existent spirit, and so since then, there has been a whiting out of that doctrine, even from the bible. It is still there, but more difficult to see.

Dale said:

On Ecclesiastes, unforntunately, the spirit returning to God probably doesn't refer to the survival of the individual soul. It means simply that the spirit of life returned to its origin in God.

In the New Testament there is a clear belief in an afterlife, but in the OT there is not, it isn't spelled out.

That is one reason that mixing verses from the OT and NT doesn't always lead to sensible results.

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I don't believe Jesus was wrong when He said:

(New Testament | Luke 16:19 - 25)

19 ¶ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Or when He said:

(New Testament | Luke 23:43)

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Both in the New Testament and both jive.

Peter1000 said:

Yes, we believe that God created everything spiritual before it was naturally upon the earth, even whales and worms.

Read this:
Genesis 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Notice the bold especially, and then even more specially, the underlined bolded word.

So on day six, God created every living creature that moveth. So lets analyze that. A whale can live lets say up to 50 years, I don't know for sure, but lets say 50. If every whale that was created in verse 12, lived on earth for the first 50 years of earth life, there would be no whales today. Right? Every living whale was created, and put on the earth on the 6th day, and then lived for about 50 years and died, why do we still see whales today, 5500 years after the creation.

Did God not create every living creature like it says, or did God actually create all living creatures spiritually, and then as their time came to come to earth, their spiritual bodies were transferred to their mortal bodies? And so we had whales on day one, and day two and so on and so forth until this very day.

Every living creature created on day 6 in their spiritual form, and then their spirits were transferred to their mortal bodies. This is the doctrine of the pre-existent spirit. The bible tells you that it is true, but you have to study it with the mind set that there was a pre-existence, otherwise it is difficult to see.

Why is that, because the council of Constantinople in 533 banned the doctrine of the pre-existent spirit, and so since then, there has been a whiting out of that doctrine, even from the bible. It is still there, but more difficult to see.

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LOL!! OK! So you believe there were worms and whales up there somewhere floating in space---in other words---everything is God for they had always existed---so actually there is no one God for everything is God----Good luck with that one when you meet the real God.
And by the way---when God created everything, He created everything to not die. And there are whales they estimate as old as 268 years old and a freshwater fish that lived to be 112. The orange roughy can live over 175 years. And one shark has been estimated at over 500.
Sorry, but the bible says nothing that God created everything in a spiritual form. It clearly says God created Adam from the dust of the ground and breathed life into him. Says not one word about putting a pre existing life into him.

mmksparbud said:

LOL!! OK! So you believe there were worms and whales up there somewhere floating in space---in other words---everything is God for they had always existed---so actually there is no one God for everything is God----Good luck with that one when you meet the real God.
And by the way---when God created everything, He created everything to not die. And there are whales they estimate as old as 268 years old and a freshwater fish that lived to be 112. The orange roughy can live over 175 years. And one shark has been estimated at over 500.
Sorry, but the bible says nothing that God created everything in a spiritual form. It clearly says God created Adam from the dust of the ground and breathed life into him. Says not one word about putting a pre existing life into him.

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No, animals do not have the capacity to become Gods, even though their spirit and intelligence have existed forever.

The bible says that God created all living things on the 6th day. Did God put all the billions & billions of animals and birds, and trillions of insects in the garden with A&E?

And when the fall happened, what happened to the animals and birds and insects?

Peter1000 said:

No, animals do not have the capacity to become Gods, even though their spirit and intelligence have existed forever.

The bible says that God created all living things on the 6th day. Did God put all the billions & billions of animals and birds, and trillions of insects in the garden with A&E?

And when the fall happened, what happened to the animals and birds and insects?

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Why not?---you say that we can, no difference. It is the same breath of life that is given to man and is given to animals. Did God put the billions and trillions of animals in the garden with Adam and Eve---no more than He 0put the billions and trillions of people that ever lived in the garden with Adam and Eve.
Your theories do not hold any truth to them. The defining thing about a God is that they have lived forever. No human ever has and certainly no animal ever has. JS theories have never made any sense.

Gen_2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen_6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Gen_7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
Gen_7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Job_33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

With the fall, the whole earth became subject to death.

mmksparbud said:

Why not?---you say that we can, no difference. It is the same breath of life that is given to man and is given to animals. Did God put the billions and trillions of animals in the garden with Adam and Eve---no more than He 0put the billions and trillions of people that ever lived in the garden with Adam and Eve.
Your theories do not hold any truth to them. The defining thing about a God is that they have lived forever. No human ever has and certainly no animal ever has. JS theories have never made any sense.

Gen_2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen_6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Gen_7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
Gen_7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Job_33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

With the fall, the whole earth became subject to death.

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So how long has Jesus been alive, and what about Satan, how long has he been alive? What about the angels (spirits) that were there also:

(New Testament | Revelation 12:7 - 9)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

He is the way said:

So how long has Jesus been alive, and what about Satan, how long has he been alive? What about the angels (spirits) that were there also:

(New Testament | Revelation 12:7 - 9)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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Jesus is God---He always was and always will be. Jesus created the angels. They have immkortality as a gift from God as long as they are faithful. atan and all his followers will be destroyed at the end. God gives immortality only to the saved, not the the lost.

Adam and Eve were not created immortal.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

mmksparbud said:

Jesus is God---He always was and always will be. Jesus created the angels. They have immkortality as a gift from God as long as they are faithful. atan and all his followers will be destroyed at the end. God gives immortality only to the saved, not the the lost.

Adam and Eve were not created immortal.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

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Our bodies are mortal, but our spirits are immortal. Spirits are angels and angels are spirits. We will never die:

(New Testament | John 11:26 - 27)

26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Jesus, the Lord of hosts commanded us before we were born.:

(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:12 - 13)

12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.

(Old Testament | Genesis 2:1)

1 THUS the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Dale said:

Peter: "Yes, we believe that God created everything spiritual before it was naturally upon the earth, even whales and worms."

Peter: "Did God not create every living creature like it says, or did God actually create all living creatures spiritually, and then as their time came to come to earth, their spiritual bodies were transferred to their mortal bodies?"


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was
made that has been made
John 1:1-3 NIV

John says that Jesus Christ was with God in the beginning, before anything else existed. It doesn't say anything about the souls of men and women being there with them, or even intelligences, whatever they are, that souls are made of. It certainly says nothing about souls of animals being pre-existent. On the contrary, it says about Jesus: "... without him nothing was made".

Peter: "So on day six, God created every living creature that moveth. So lets analyze that. A whale can live lets say up to 50 years, I don't know for sure, but lets say 50. If every whale that was created in verse 12, lived on earth for the first 50 years of earth life, there would be no whales today. Right? Every living whale was created, and put on the earth on the 6th day, and then lived for about 50 years and died, why do we still see whales today, 5500 years after the creation."

I'm not a creationist, but that's an easy one. Your problem here is that you over look the fact that animals reproduce. When God created whales, the ones He created reproduced, so there are still whales around today. The obvious meaning is that God created every species, not every individual animal.

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Do you believe in Hell?

(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 28:20 - 22)

20 For behold, at that day shall he rage in the hearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good.
21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
22 And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.

Dale said:

HeIsTheWay: "Do you believe in Hell?"


Yes, I do and I have defended the reality of hell as described in Scripture.

Is there some reason you are changing the subject?


But do Mormons believe in hell? Your answer isn't what we usually hear.


Do Mormons Believe in Hell?
02/04/2016 02:52 pm ET Updated Feb 04, 2017



Mette Ivie Harrison, Contributor
Mormon in progress

"The short answer to this is simple: No."

Later:

"Mormon theology on Spirit Prison has nothing to do with a place of fire and brimstone, except metaphorically, as spirits may feel anguish at being separated from Christ and from their loved ones who are believers."

Earlier I said that I suspect that Joseph Smith got ideas like three heavens and people working in heaven from Emmanuel Swedenborg. Interestingly enough, Swedenborg's interpretation of the fires of hell is about the same as Mette Harrison's interpretation. The "anguish" or guilt or remorse of those in "hell" is the only fire that burns them.


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Do Mormons Believe in Hell? | HuffPost

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I asked the question to find out where you stood as to your beliefs of the Bible. I know there are those who do not believe in Hell. I find it interesting that people like to tell us what we believe. I believe it is more appropriate for members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints to state what we believe. As a member i know that we do indeed believe in Hell:

(Guide to the Scriptures | H Hell.:Entry)

HELL. See also Damnation; Death, Spiritual; Devil; Sons of Perdition

Latter-day revelation speaks of hell in at least two senses. First, it is the temporary abode in the spirit world for those who were disobedient in mortality. In this sense, hell has an end. The spirits there will be taught the gospel, and sometime following their repentance they will be resurrected to a degree of glory of which they are worthy. Those who will not repent, but are nevertheless not sons of perdition, will remain in hell throughout the Millennium. After these thousand years of torment, they will be resurrected to a telestial glory (D&C 76:81–86; 88:100–101).

Second, it is the permanent location of those who are not redeemed by the atonement of Jesus Christ. In this sense, hell is permanent. It is for those who are found "filthy still" (D&C 88:35, 102). This is the place where Satan, his angels, and the sons of perdition—those who have denied the Son after the Father has revealed him—will dwell eternally (D&C 76:43–46).

The scriptures sometimes refer to hell as outer darkness.

David's soul shall not be left in hell, Ps. 16:10 (Ps. 86:13). Go into hell, into that fire that never shall be quenched, Mark 9:43 (Mosiah 2:38). The rich man in hell lifts up his eyes, being in torment, Luke 16:22–23 (D&C 104:18). Death and hell delivered up the dead, Rev. 20:13. There is a place prepared, yea, even that awful hell, 1 Ne. 15:35. The will of the flesh giveth the spirit of the devil power to bring us down to hell, 2 Ne. 2:29. Christ prepared the way for our deliverance from death and hell, 2 Ne. 9:10–12. Those who remain filthy go into everlasting torment, 2 Ne. 9:16. The devil cheateth their souls and leadeth them away carefully down to hell, 2 Ne. 28:21. Jesus hath redeemed my soul from hell, 2 Ne. 33:6. Loose yourselves from the pains of hell, Jacob 3:11. To be taken captive by the devil and led by his will to destruction are the chains of hell, Alma 12:11. The wicked are cast into outer darkness until the time of their resurrection, Alma 40:13–14. The filthy would be more miserable to dwell with God than to dwell in hell, Morm. 9:4. The punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, D&C 19:10–12. Hell is a place prepared for the devil and his angels, D&C 29:37–38. Those who acknowledge God are delivered from death and the chains of hell, D&C 138:23.

There are three heavens:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 12:1 - 4)

1 IT is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

So how will we be resurrected?:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:35 - 51)

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,