Do you really think He wants this?

Rajni · Dec 3, 2020

Jaxxi said:
hahaha! Good one! I know its a big bummer but we know Santa is a lie and that the devil is the father of all lies. I don't know how we let him in as a part of the Lords birth but he took over and it is scary. I went in to Michaels, the craft store and the place is decked out with every different kind of ornament, tree, craft, gingerbread house, Santa all over the place. I asked them where their nativity scenes were. The lady took me to a back corner and said " I think we only offered 2 this year." They were in stock- one was the small glass figurines, no manger. The other was larger painted porcelain figurines- no manger. I said. " Wow. That's it? Im sorry, that makes me sad." I fought back tears leaving there and got outside, looked up at the sky and said " I am so sorry." I was apologizing for everyone.

They have quite a few nativity-themed items online:

https://www.michaels.com/shop-categories/holiday-and-seasonal-decor/917605255?q=nativity

Jaxxi · Dec 3, 2020

tulc said:
Ahh! Thank you for admitting it.

And you're right again! I didn't say that.

Ahhh! And you were doing so well, right up until you decided to pretend to paraphrase me with this part.

A more accurate summation would be "don't judge others because they think/celebrate Christmas differently than you do." Because, to be honest, I stopped worrying about how others judge me personally a very long time ago.

Well, once again, to be more accurate I'd say we're back to Romans 14:4 situation:

and I'd say "Santa" would be one of those things it's not any of our business to care/judge about. You don't want to have him as part of your Christmas? Than don't. You do want him as part of it? Have fun. In the end, it's none of our business one way or the other. Our job is to follow the Lord as best we can.
tulc(hopes that answers those questions)

I am not judging but you didn't answer the question! If it isn't no, then what is it? So when Jesus asks you why you celebrated His birth the way you do you will tell Him " don't judge me?" He is going to and that is all I want people to think about. It doesn't affect my life one bit how you celebrate Christmas. You could dress up in a Batman costume, with Santa wearing a tutu and dance with circus midgets all night- I am not judging anyone one bit! But I do love you enough to maybe have YOU think about the way you celebrate it and ask yourself " Would I do anything different if I knew Jesus would be coming to my house as a house guest?" Because...He will be, and as Christians we cannot follow the trends of un-believers because we are held to a different standard. I wish you the best and never meant to sound judgemental. I am honestly not.

Jaxxi · Dec 3, 2020

Sketcher said:
Thank you for clarifying. However, adults shouldn't go by 7-year-old logic. They need to impart adult logic to the 7-year-olds. Specifically, it sounds like he misspelled Santa and he needs to be reassured that he didn't really write to Satan, and just because the mythical representations of each of them has them wearing red suits doesn't make them anywhere close to being the same. If the school is public, what they can teach about Jesus is going to be limited, but Santa is safe because he's used as a secular symbol for Christmas. Have you taught him about the historical St. Nicholas in an age-appropriate manner?

What is close however is that Santa Claus ( St. Nick who died in 343 AD) is NOT coming to any childs house leaving gifts as a walking corpse, so the Santa thing is a LIE. We know Satan is the father of all lies, so if Santa is not of God,...then we know who he is of. There is no in between. We cannot serve 2 masters. Why is everyone so defensive about this? It is so obvious! This is the day we have chosen to Honor our Lords holy birth. The Bible says
"And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" Matthew 15:3

Thou shalt not lie is a commandment! It also says..

See to it that there is no one who takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception in accordance with human tradition, in accordance with the elementary principles of the world, rather than in accordance with Christ. Colossians 2:8
We must be careful.

Sketcher · Dec 3, 2020

Jaxxi said:
What is close however is that Santa Claus ( St. Nick who died in 343 AD) is NOT coming to any childs house leaving gifts as a walking corpse, so the Santa thing is a LIE. We know Satan is the father of all lies, so if Santa is not of God,...then we know who he is of. There is no in between. We cannot serve 2 masters. Why is everyone so defensive about this? It is so obvious! This is the day we have chosen to Honor our Lords holy birth. The Bible says
"And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" Matthew 15:3

Thou shalt not lie is a commandment! It also says..

See to it that there is no one who takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception in accordance with human tradition, in accordance with the elementary principles of the world, rather than in accordance with Christ. Colossians 2:8
We must be careful.

As I stated earlier, I don't believe in lying to kids about Santa Claus. I think we can and should teach that he is a fictional character. Nothing wrong with that.

tulc · Dec 3, 2020

Jaxxi said:
I am not judging but you didn't answer the question!. (snip)

Sorry...but I did answer the question, I just didn't answer it in either of the ways you wanted it answered.

I wish you the best (snip)

and you as well sis! :wave:

tulc(is off to do dishes for a couple hundred friends!)

Jaxxi · Dec 3, 2020

RayJeena said:
They have quite a few nativity-themed items online:

https://www.michaels.com/shop-categories/holiday-and-seasonal-decor/917605255?q=nativity

That wasn't the point but thanks.

Par5 · Dec 4, 2020

Jaxxi said:
hahaha! Good one! I know its a big bummer but we know Santa is a lie and that the devil is the father of all lies. I don't know how we let him in as a part of the Lords birth but he took over and it is scary. I went in to Michaels, the craft store and the place is decked out with every different kind of ornament, tree, craft, gingerbread house, Santa all over the place. I asked them where their nativity scenes were. The lady took me to a back corner and said " I think we only offered 2 this year." They were in stock- one was the small glass figurines, no manger. The other was larger painted porcelain figurines- no manger. I said. " Wow. That's it? Im sorry, that makes me sad." I fought back tears leaving there and got outside, looked up at the sky and said " I am so sorry." I was apologizing for everyone.

Jaxxi, you really need to chill out. If the only thing parents had to worry about was that their child believed a rather rotund elderly gentleman with a white beard and wearing a red suit was someone who brought them their toys at Christmas, then there would be a lot less stressed parents in the world.
And stores are under no obligation to sell religious paraphernalia. I know there are shops that sell books and other stuff pertaining to the Christian faith, so why not shop there to get your nativity figures, rather than take your disappointment out on a store that is not religion-themed.

Rajni · Dec 4, 2020

Jaxxi said:
That wasn't the point but thanks.

What was the point, if not that?

Jaxxi · Dec 4, 2020

Par5 said:
Jaxxi, you really need to chill out. If the only thing parents had to worry about was that their child believed a rather rotund elderly gentleman with a white beard and wearing a red suit was someone who brought them their toys at Christmas, then there would be a lot less stressed parents in the world.
And stores are under no obligation to sell religious paraphernalia. I know there are shops that sell books and other stuff pertaining to the Christian faith, so why not shop there to get your nativity figures, rather than take your disappointment out on a store that is not religion-themed.

Jaxxi · Dec 4, 2020

Par5 said:
Jaxxi, you really need to chill out. If the only thing parents had to worry about was that their child believed a rather rotund elderly gentleman with a white beard and wearing a red suit was someone who brought them their toys at Christmas, then there would be a lot less stressed parents in the world.
And stores are under no obligation to sell religious paraphernalia. I know there are shops that sell books and other stuff pertaining to the Christian faith, so why not shop there to get your nativity figures, rather than take your disappointment out on a store that is not religion-themed.

I need to chill out about what? I was just sharing that Christmas is really NOT Christ themed. It was an observation. Why do I need to chill out? Because Im asking you if you think Jesus would want you lying to your kids about Santa on His Holy day? It is not a fanatic question. It is basically yes or no. There is no one breathing down your neck. If it makes you uncomfortable you don't have to answer it here.

Jaxxi · Dec 4, 2020

RayJeena said:
What was the point, if not that?

The point was that at a huge Department store themed in what is supposed to be the birth of our Lord, it is over ran by anything BUT remembrance of His birth and I think it is odd that we are disturbingly ok with this.
Satan is the Father of all lies. Santa is a lie! So we know Santa is not of the Lord! How did we stray so far from Him and not see it?
I obviously know where to find a nativity scene online but why is the true meaning of the holiday disguised in nonsense and everyone thinks Jesus would be ok with it? Does that make sense? You have never thought about that?

Celticroots · Dec 4, 2020

Isilwen said:
I am not so old at 46 years old that I don't remember when I found out Santa wasn't real. I didn't feel lied to at all. To me, it was just a part of Christmas and a way that my mom and grandparents made it fun during the season. My kids as they have outgrown Santa have felt the same way.

When I found out Santa wasn't real I never felt lied to. If a child has some sort of meltdown over realizing Santa is fake, then there's bigger problems.

The Santa thing is harmless.

I have issues with someone telling me that I shouldn't celebrate Christmas because they feel convicted not to celebrate it. Don't want to celebrate it? Don't.

But don't tell me I can't.

Par5 · Dec 5, 2020

Jaxxi said:
I need to chill out about what? I was just sharing that Christmas is really NOT Christ themed. It was an observation. Why do I need to chill out? Because Im asking you if you think Jesus would want you lying to your kids about Santa on His Holy day? It is not a fanatic question. It is basically yes or no. There is no one breathing down your neck. If it makes you uncomfortable you don't have to answer it here.

I already told you I don't know what Jesus would think about parents telling kids about Santa. I was hoping you were going to tell me when you got in touch with him.
What I do know is that children love the idea of Santa bringing them their gifts and that when still in their early years they come to realize that Santa does not exist they do not spend the rest of their life in a state of depression and unable to cope because of that realization. Children believing in Santa is harmless fun and they grow out of it just like they grow out of their clothes.
And anyway, involving Santa in what you call his holy day is hardly going to bother Jesus one way or the other as many biblical scholars will tell you that Jesus wasn't born on December 25. Celebrating his birthday on the wrong day might be a bigger disappointment to him than worrying about Santa.

Jonathan Walkerin · Dec 5, 2020

Jaxxi said:
Because Im asking you if you think Jesus would want you lying to your kids about Santa on His Holy day?

I doubt he would be exactly thrilled about people hanging out in internet either. Perhaps he would think there might be more worthwhile ways to spend your time.

Jaxxi · Dec 5, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
I doubt he would be exactly thrilled about people hanging out in internet either. Perhaps he would think there might be more worthwhile ways to spend your time.

I won't be on the internet on Christmas but that was a nice rebuttal....if that is what that was.

Jaxxi · Dec 5, 2020

Par5 said:
I already told you I don't know what Jesus would think about parents telling kids about Santa. I was hoping you were going to tell me when you got in touch with him.
What I do know is that children love the idea of Santa bringing them their gifts and that when still in their early years they come to realize that Santa does not exist they do not spend the rest of their life in a state of depression and unable to cope because of that realization. Children believing in Santa is harmless fun and they grow out of it just like they grow out of their clothes.
And anyway, involving Santa in what you call his holy day is hardly going to bother Jesus one way or the other as many biblical scholars will tell you that Jesus wasn't born on December 25. Celebrating his birthday on the wrong day might be a bigger disappointment to him than worrying about Santa.

That could be true- so even better! If it is not actually His birthday and you know this, then what are you doing? My concern for everyone is in the Bible. Mark 7:9 (Referring to Jesus) "He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition"

The tradition of what? In all fairness if we are being honest with ourselves, we are celebrating the pagan holiday ( which is what they wanted so they told us it was Jesus birthday) with Christmas ( pagan) trees and they gave each other gifts to celebrate the Sun god.

'Historians do not hide the fact that Christmas was an invention of the Roman church, designed to compete with the heathen Roman feast of Saturnalia in honor of the sun deity Mithras. Mithras bore remarkable similarity to the Biblical Messiah. The Mithraic feast, like Christmas, was celebrated to commemorate his birth.
Clearly, Christmas as the observance of the Savior’s birth did not come into existence immediately. It was not observed for at least three centuries after His birth. But Christmas as a pagan holiday traces back thousands of years to a man named Nimrod, founder of ancient pagan Babylon. Forefather to Mithras, Nimrod began a counterfeit religion in the Book of Genesis that was to compete with the True Faith of the Bible in every conceivable way down through the centuries.' ( taken from The Pagan Origins of Christmas)
PLEASE HEAR ME OUT--
Here is a scary thought I found interesting. 45% of Americans who celebrate Christmas are not Christian! I actually had to read that twice when I saw it. What? True, you are free to celebrate it any way you want to, no one is arguing that. But isn't that odd? I mean, how many times have you celebrated Hanukkah?
It's a festive celebration with gifts! Personally for me, none! I am not Jewish! I am in Arizona and there are tons of Hispanics here, and Cinco de Mayo is a MAJOR celebration but I do not celebrate it! Please do not think I am knocking anyone. I myself have kids ( grown) and I know the wonder of the kids and excitement of Christmas- and whether anyone admits it or not- there is A LOT of social pressure to do Santa Claus. There is!! A LOT. Even my own mother was mad at me! " You did what? You told that baby there was no Santa Claus? Well you should be ashamed of yourself!" ( thick Oklahoma accent)
I had to! My son had just gotten in BIG trouble for lying, we made a big deal about it because of his safety and he had asked me, " Mama, do you promise there's a Santa Claus?" I smiled and said," No Son, don't make me promise! That's not fair."
I was so on the spot!! So I GET IT. But the point is- the next Christmas, all the " Santa" gifts had a from " J" on them and I told him that the love Jesus has for him bought those presents- and it is true since God gave me the ability to love, since He loved me first. He was just as thrilled if not more because he learned the truth.

Jonathan Walkerin · Dec 5, 2020

Jaxxi said:
I told him that the love Jesus has for him bought those presents

Nice, most people have to use money.

Rajni · Dec 5, 2020

Jaxxi said:
The point was that at a huge Department store themed in what is supposed to be the birth of our Lord, it is over ran by anything BUT remembrance of His birth and I think it is odd that we are disturbingly ok with this.

Since when is Michaels responsible for showcasing only one belief system's approach to celebrating the winter solstice? Jesus isn't the reason for the season for everyone; in fact, originally Jesus wasn't the reason to celebrate the solstice at all. Christianity simply chose December 25th as their day to celebrate their version of God. I see little biblical support for tying the winter solstice to Jesus's birth in the first place. Christians should let the Santa-lovers have it for themselves and choose another time of year to celebrate Jesus's birth, instead of hijacking a pagan holiday and then complaining that the pagan holiday is being celebrated in a pagan way.

I obviously know where to find a nativity scene online but why is the true meaning of the holiday disguised in nonsense and everyone thinks Jesus would be ok with it? Does that make sense? You have never thought about that?

Oh, I've thought about it plenty. I used to be very self-righteous about the fact that I never lied to my kids about Santa. There was a time I could have easily started a thread like this one. While I still don’t see the point in lying to kids about Santa (it can backfire in odd ways), I also know there are things in Christianity that are just as questionable as the Santa thing, so in my view it's the pot calling the kettle black.

I frankly don't think Jesus would be high-strung enough to care one way or the other about it. I wish Christians would stop making God out to be this easily-offended shrinking violet that is doubled over in pain every time someone does something that they deem unChristian.

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Jaxxi · Dec 5, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Nice, most people have to use money.

The point was that my money would have bought them either way but they were given out of love from Jesus through me rather than from the North pole and elves from Santa. ( because Jesus is real and Santa is not)

Jaxxi · Dec 5, 2020

RayJeena said:
Since when is Michaels responsible for showcasing only one belief system's approach to celebrating the winter solstice? Jesus isn't the reason for the season for everyone; in fact, originally Jesus wasn't the reason to celebrate the solstice at all. Christianity simply chose December 25th as their day to celebrate their version of God. I see little biblical support for tying the winter solstice to Jesus's birth in the first place. Christians should let the Santa-lovers have it for themselves and choose another time of year to celebrate Jesus's birth, instead of hijacking a pagan holiday and then complaining that the pagan holiday is being celebrated in a pagan way.

Oh, I've thought about it plenty. I used to be very self-righteous about the fact that I never lied to my kids about Santa. There was a time I could have easily started a thread like this one. While I still don’t see the point in lying to kids about Santa (it can backfire in odd ways), I also know there are things in Christianity that are just as questionable as the Santa thing, so in my view it's the pot calling the kettle black.

I frankly don't think Jesus would be high-strung enough to care one way or the other about it. I wish Christians would stop making God out to be this easily-offended shrinking violet that is doubled over in pain every time someone does something that they deem unChristian.

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Thank you! That is correct. No there is no biblical basis and Jesus deserves a different day if He needs a birthday at all. God did not tell us of His birthday for a reason, and the Day of Ascension is much more appropriate in our beliefs. The Day of Ascension is 40 days after Passover.

Your description of my making the Lord a shrinking violet is offensive to say the least. I do not know what you have against Christians, but if you read the Bible you can clearly see that the only thing equal to the love of God is the WRATH of God .

John 3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, Romans 1:18

We are told that our God is a jealous God therefore do you think that a day honoring His Holy birth tacked on to the tail end of a Roman - pagan celebration and then overshadowed by a myth of nonsense and flying reindeer being told to His children will go down as no big deal? I really hope so but just remember....the devil does not love you on Christmas.

Do you really think He wants this?

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