Abomination of Desolation in Luke?

Douggg said:

How can the disciples generation be more than the generation which they lived?

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Couldn't have expressed it better myself.

You've answered the question by asking the question.

"Ye" was the disciples' generation.

Exclusively.

jgr said:

Couldn't have expressed it better myself.

You've answered the question by asking the question.

"Ye" was the disciples' generation.

Exclusively.

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You are making even less sense than normal (for you).

Douggg said:

You are making even less sense than normal (for you).

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Scripture makes the sense; I just relay it.

Douggg said:

That's petty.

The day is coming when them who hold the post trib view, the no rapture view, the partial preterist view, the Amil view are going to get what they want - and have to go through the great tribulation.

For Jesus has given direction on how to escape the great tribulation and stand before the Son of Man, and you believe Him not.

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You're talking about the Jesus who said things like the following, right?

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

This doesn't look to me like Jesus was interested in taking anyone off the earth in order to avoid tribulation. The only time that will be necessary is when His final wrath comes down by way of fire upon the entire earth which will be sudden destruction from which His enemies shall not escape (2 Peter 3:3-13 --> compare to 1 Thess 4:13-5:9).

Brethren, if you listen to those like jgr, you will definitely fall in a ditch.

Lord Jesus forewarned in His Olivet discourse, for the time of "great tribulation", about the idea of an idol abomination setup in the sanctuary in Jerusalem from the Book of Daniel.

Matt 24:15-23
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
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What is written about that "abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel the prophet?

The subject of a false one coming, and placing an abomination idol inside the sanctuary at Jerusalem in false worship, is written of in Daniel 8:9-14, and in 9:27, and especially in Daniel 11:31, and in Daniel 12:11.

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

It is impossible to miss actually, there in the Book of Daniel!!!

Some seminaries wrongly teach that that "abomination of desolation" was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. The main problem with their theory, and it's easy to know they are pushing a silly theory, is the fact that Lord Jesus forewarned of the "abomination of desolation" idol event in the temple in Jerusalem about 200 years after... Antiochus Epiphanes had already been dead!!! How could a Christian seminary miss that simple fact???!!! It just goes to show you that even some Christian seminaries are not immune to false teaching, nor is everyone that comes to forums like these on the up and up.

jgr said:

There is no mention of "sudden destruction" or the "wicked" or the "day of the Lord" or a "thief in the night" or the "final day of this world" or the "day of God's wrath" or "antichrist's armies" or "God's Israel" or the "end of this present world" or "Jesus returns"...

...in Luke 21:22.

Jesus prophesies of the vengeance that will be visited upon the nation of Israel, and upon Jerusalem and Judaea.

History confirms it.

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There it is again brethren, more leaven fragment falsehoods that men's doctrines try to add to God's Word...

In Christ's Olivet discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, Lord Jesus taught about the day of His return and gathering of His Church.

In the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 versions, He specifically taught the idea of coming being like a thief breaking in, along with His command to watch.

In Revelation 16:15, He warned His Church that He comes "as a thief", which links to His teaching in His Olivet discourse about the day of His return.

In 1 Thessalonians 5:1-9, and in 2 Peter 3:10, both Apostles Paul and Peter linked the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night". So there's that "as a thief" idea from Lord Jesus again that He gave in His Olivet discourse.

Christ's Olivet discourse is about the main Signs of the end of this world leading up to Christ's return. They parallel specifically the Signs of the Seals in Revelation 6.

The last Sign Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse was that of His coming and gathering of His saints.

The Preterist and Historicist seminaries often falsely teach against those above events, with instead trying to place the Olivet discourse back in history with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Roman army in 70 A.D. They 'prefer' to use the Luke 21 chapter to do that with, because the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 chapters are very, very clear as to the timing being about the very end of this world, leading up to Christ's return on the last day.

Those men have simply succumbed to Satan's ploy of trying to keep you from 'watching' and knowing the Signs of the end leading up to our Lord Jesus' return, which He gave His Church in His Olivet discourse.

Davy said:

Christ's Olivet discourse is about the main Signs of the end of this world leading up to Christ's return. They parallel specifically the Signs of the Seals in Revelation 6.

The last Sign Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse was that of His coming and gathering of His saints.

The Preterist and Historicist seminaries often falsely teach against those above events, with instead trying to place the Olivet discourse back in history with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Roman army in 70 A.D. They 'prefer' to use the Luke 21 chapter to do that with, because the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 chapters are very, very clear as to the timing being about the very end of this world, leading up to Christ's return on the last day.

Those men have simply succumbed to Satan's ploy of trying to keep you from 'watching' and knowing the Signs of the end leading up to our Lord Jesus' return, which He gave His Church in His Olivet discourse.

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What is the first question in verse 3? Does it refer to verse 2?

What is the second question in verse 3?

Mat 24:1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
Mat 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"


Luk 19:41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 saying, "If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.
Luk 19:43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side,
Luk 19:44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation."


Luk 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
Luk 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
Luk 21:22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.


The Coming of the Son of Man (This subtitle comes from eSword.)

Luk 21:25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Luk 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."



Both the events of 70 AD, and the Second Coming of Christ are found in the Olivet Discourse.

Much confusion is created by ignoring either of these events in the text.
How many questions are in Matthew 24:3?

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Spiritual Jew said:

This doesn't look to me like Jesus was interested in taking anyone off the earth in order to avoid tribulation. The only time that will be necessary is when His final wrath comes down by way of fire upon the entire earth which will be sudden destruction from which His enemies shall not escape (2 Peter 3:3-13 --> compare to 1 Thess 4:13-5:9)

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You have a twisted way of thinking.

Man "needs" salvation. Not God.

The wrath spoken of in 1Thesslaonian5:9 is the vials of God's wrath to be poured out on the earth during the great tribulation. You are ignoring those vials of Gdd's wrath. And instead are focusing on the destruction of this present heaven and earth to take place a thousand years later, at the final judgment of the Great White Throne.

1Thessalonians5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

Douggg said:

And instead are focusing on the destruction of this present heaven and earth to take place a thousand years later, at the final judgment of the Great White Throne.

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You are ignoring Christ returning "in flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.


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Davy said:

Brethren, if you listen to those like jgr, you will definitely fall in a ditch.

Lord Jesus forewarned in His Olivet discourse, for the time of "great tribulation", about the idea of an idol abomination setup in the sanctuary in Jerusalem from the Book of Daniel.

Matt 24:15-23
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
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What is written about that "abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel the prophet?

The subject of a false one coming, and placing an abomination idol inside the sanctuary at Jerusalem in false worship, is written of in Daniel 8:9-14, and in 9:27, and especially in Daniel 11:31, and in Daniel 12:11.

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

It is impossible to miss actually, there in the Book of Daniel!!!

Some seminaries wrongly teach that that "abomination of desolation" was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. The main problem with their theory, and it's easy to know they are pushing a silly theory, is the fact that Lord Jesus forewarned of the "abomination of desolation" idol event in the temple in Jerusalem about 200 years after... Antiochus Epiphanes had already been dead!!! How could a Christian seminary miss that simple fact???!!! It just goes to show you that even some Christian seminaries are not immune to false teaching, nor is everyone that comes to forums like these on the up and up.

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Let us reason together, Davy. Let's tone things down a few notches and discuss this calmly and in a civilized manner.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Can you see here that the disciples ask Jesus two different questions? The first one relating to the timing of the destruction of the temple buildings that Jesus said would be destroyed with no stone left upon another. The other relates to His future coming at the end of the world/age (Greek: aion).

Do you think that Jesus didn't answer their first question? If so, why not? If not, then can you tell me where exactly you think He answered that question?

You are aware that the temple buildings were destroyed in 70 AD, right?

Douggg said:

You have a twisted way of thinking.

Man "needs" salvation. Not God.

The wrath spoken of in 1Thesslaonian5:9 is the vials of God's wrath to be poured out on the earth during the great tribulation. You are ignoring those vials of Gdd's wrath. And instead are focusing on the destruction of this present heaven and earth to take place a thousand years later, at the final judgment of the Great White Throne.

1Thessalonians5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

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I never said that what Paul talked about in 1 Thess 5 wasn't God's wrath. You interpret my words the way you interpret scripture. Very poorly.

If you compare 1 Thess 5:1-9 to 2 Peter 3:10-13 then it should be clear that the wrath Paul was talking about that would result in "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" is the fire that will come down upon the entire earth, as Peter said would happen on the day of Christ's second coming.

So, I'm saying that there will be no need to take anyone off the earth until that final wrath comes on the day Christ returns.

BABerean2 said:

You are ignoring Christ returning "in flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.
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No, I am not. When Jesus returns, it is part of the glory of His brightness, by which Jesus also projects upon the abomination of desolation statue image that Satan will be incarnating at the time - turning it into ashes.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Douggg said:

Then Jesus returns, coming in the clouds of heaven.

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It was called "petty" for me to make an issue of the fact that the word "returns" is no where in Matthew 24:30....but it's not petty when an entire doctrine was formed by the addition of that one word.

This passage points to Daniel's prophecy:



Other times "coming" and "clouds" were mentioned in the old testament that are history.

Nahum 1:2-5 (Judgment on Nineveh - in the 600s BC)

And.......

This is ancient Hebrew literature which carries a particular connotation to judgment. That makes sense of how the generation Jesus spoke to in the first century was who Jesus was referring to (no mental gymnastics necessary). When Jesus spoke to them and said "YOU" (or "ye" - depending on the translation).....He meant them....not US, almost 2000 years and counting. That also makes sense of the references to that particular generation (in 30 AD) as being a "wicked and corrupt generation" (regardless of opinions that modern generations could bear that label).



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Spiritual Jew said:

If you compare 1 Thess 5:1-9 to 2 Peter 3:10-13 then it should be clear that the wrath Paul was talking about that would result in "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" is the fire that will come down upon the entire earth, as Peter said would happen on the day of Christ's second coming.

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Them of the parable of the fig tree generation, the last days, who mock Jesus's return will not escape the judgement at the Great White Throne.

mkgal1 said:

It was called "petty" for me to make an issue of the fact that the word "returns" is no where in Matthew 24:30....but it's not petty when an entire doctrine was formed by the addition of that one word.

This passage points to Daniel's prophecy:

Daniel 7:13-14
In my vision in the night I continued to watch, and I saw One like the Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. And He was given dominion, glory, and kingship, that the people of every nation and language should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and His kingdom is one that will never be destroyed​

Matthew 24:30 ~ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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Other times "coming" and "clouds" were mentioned in the old testament.

Nahum 1:2-5 (Judgment on Nineveh - in the 600s BC)

2The LORD is a jealous and avenging God;

the LORD is avenging and full of wrath.

The LORD takes vengeance on His foes

and reserves wrath for His enemies.3The LORD is slow to anger

and great in power;

the LORD will by no means

leave the guilty unpunished.

His path is in the whirlwind and storm,

and clouds are the dust beneath His feet.4He rebukes the sea and dries it up;
He makes all the rivers run dry.

Bashan and Carmel wither,

and the flower of Lebanon wilts.5The mountains quake before Him,

and the hills melt away;

the earth trembles at His presence—

the world and all its dwellers
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And.......

Ezekiel 30:4 (judgment on Egypt also in the 600s BC) ~
3For the day is near,

the Day of the LORD is near.

It will be a day of clouds,

a time of doom for the nations.a4A sword will come against Egypt,

and there will be anguish in Cushb

when the slain fall in Egypt,

its wealth is taken away,

and its foundations are torn down.​

This is ancient Hebrew literature which carries a particular connotation to judgment. That makes sense of how the generation Jesus spoke to in the first century was who Jesus was referring to (no mental gymnastics necessary). When Jesus spoke to them and said "YOU" (or "ye" - depending on the translation).....He meant them....not US, almost 2000 years and counting. That also makes sense of the references to that particular generation (in 30 AD) as being a "wicked and corrupt generation" (regardless of opinions that modern generations could bear that label).

Quoting linked article:
This brings us right back to the disciples asking "what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age" and Jesus saying that He would "come on the clouds with power and great glory." The first thing to take note of here is that the disciples as about the end of the age. ~
"The Coming of Jesus: Coming on the clouds | That Ancient Faith" https://www.thatancientfaith.uk/home/perma/1403252372/article/coming-on-the-clouds.html​

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Daniel 7:13-14, Daniel in the night vision saw the heaven side of Jesus ascending to heaven from the Mt. Olives. Jesus is in heaven right now, and at the end of the 7 years "returns" to this earth, specifically to the Mt. of Olives.

Which that event complies with Ezekiel 39 the infallible timeline framework. Which in verse 21, Jesus's return to this earth is Him setting his glory among the heathen, the nations.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Davy said:

Brethren, if you listen to those like jgr, you will definitely fall in a ditch.

Lord Jesus forewarned in His Olivet discourse, for the time of "great tribulation", about the idea of an idol abomination setup in the sanctuary in Jerusalem from the Book of Daniel.

Matt 24:15-23
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
KJV


What is written about that "abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel the prophet?

The subject of a false one coming, and placing an abomination idol inside the sanctuary at Jerusalem in false worship, is written of in Daniel 8:9-14, and in 9:27, and especially in Daniel 11:31, and in Daniel 12:11.

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

It is impossible to miss actually, there in the Book of Daniel!!!

Some seminaries wrongly teach that that "abomination of desolation" was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. The main problem with their theory, and it's easy to know they are pushing a silly theory, is the fact that Lord Jesus forewarned of the "abomination of desolation" idol event in the temple in Jerusalem about 200 years after... Antiochus Epiphanes had already been dead!!! How could a Christian seminary miss that simple fact???!!! It just goes to show you that even some Christian seminaries are not immune to false teaching, nor is everyone that comes to forums like these on the up and up.

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Brothers and sisters, if you fall for the futurized fantasies and fallacies of dispensational delusion and deception, you will miss the lessons and fulfillments of Scripture which were "written for our learning" (Romans 15:4), and the glorious accomplishments of Messiah at His first coming.

Do not be deceived by modernist "interpretation by imagination", which spurns and scorns the historical confirmations of Scripture.

Here is an example of its deliberate misrepresentations:

"Some seminaries wrongly teach that that "abomination of desolation" was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C."

There is not a seminary on the planet that teaches that Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilled the Matthew 24 abomination of desolation, otherwise there would have been a link to a direct quote, name, source, and date to support the claim.

Try the spirits.

1 John 4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Modernist cultic dispensational futurism is one such false prophet.

Douggg said:

Them of the parable of the fig tree generation, the last days, who mock Jesus's return will not escape the judgement at the Great White Throne.

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Where do you see any reference to the judgment in 2 Peter 3:3-13? It's clearly referring to the physical destruction that will come down when Christ returns. That's why it's compared directly to the global flood in 2 Peter 3:5-7.

mkgal1 said:

It was called "petty" for me to make an issue of the fact that the word "returns" is no where in Matthew 24:30....but it's not petty when an entire doctrine was formed by the addition of that one word.

This passage points to Daniel's prophecy:

Daniel 7:13-14
In my vision in the night I continued to watch, and I saw One like the Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. And He was given dominion, glory, and kingship, that the people of every nation and language should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and His kingdom is one that will never be destroyed​

Matthew 24:30 ~ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.​

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These passages are not speaking of the same event. Daniel 7:13-14 is referring to His ascension to heaven which occurred long ago and Matthew 24:30-31 is referring to His future coming from heaven to gather His elect to Himself, which is the same event Paul taught about in 1 Thess 4:13-18. Jesus taught that His enemies will all be destroyed at that time (Matt 24:35-39) and so did Paul in 1 Thess 5:1-6.

The similarity in the wording of Daniel 7:13-14 and Matthew 24:30-31 is simply because He was accompanied by angels when He ascended to heaven and He will be accompanied by angels when He returns.

Are you aware that Christ was "given dominion, glory, and kingship" upon His resurrection and His ascension to heaven? That is what the following passages indicate:

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Can you see the similarities with these passages and Daniel 7:13-14? Like I said, this happened upon His resurrection and ascension. Matthew 24:30-31 has nothing to do with His resurrection and ascension, so there is no reason to see Matthew 24:30-31 as the fulfillment of Daniel 7:13-14.

Spiritual Jew said:

Where do you see any reference to the judgment in 2 Peter 3:3-13? It's clearly referring to the physical destruction that will come down when Christ returns. That's why it's compared directly to the global flood in 2 Peter 3:5-7.

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It is telling you that there will be the millennium of a thousand years, to the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men - i.e. the Great White Throne judgement is the day of judgement, when the ungodly will be cast into the last of fire.

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Day of the Lord begins in the middle part of the 7 years. It is only a short time from then to Jesus's return. Which the mockers in the last days, say is not going to happen.

The 1000 years of the Day of the Lord, the millennium, then the day of judgement at the Great White Throne, which the mockers will appear and be judged for their deeds.

Douggg said:

It is telling you that there will be the millennium of a thousand years, to the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men - i.e. the Great White Throne judgement is the day of judgement, when the ungodly will be cast into the last of fire.

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Now you are ignoring the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18.

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Revelation 20: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture?

(Chronological or Recapitulation?) (Literal vs. Figurative?)

Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? Graveyards needed?


Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24?


Can the number 1,000 be used in a symbolic manner? Psalm 50:10


Does an angel with a key come from heaven and open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Why did the angel have to unlock the pit if it was not locked previously?

Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11?

Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14?

If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation 11:7, where is the beast before then?


John sees “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20.

Are these the same “souls” found in Revelation 6:9-11?


Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:5 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (Rev. 11:11) Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5?

John 5:24 (Spiritual) ? Were you dead, and now you are alive?

John 5:27-30 Christ describes the bodily resurrection and “hour” of judgment of “all” the dead.


Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29?

How is Satan “bound” in Revelation 20:3?


How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46?

Isaiah 65:17-25? Are people really dying in verse 20? Context, Context, Context…


Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10? How would mortals survive this fire?

Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20?


Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1?

When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18?


What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21?

Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return?


Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55?


Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24.

Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31?

What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?


Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones?


What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13?


Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation?


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Is there a correlation between Revelation 20 and earlier passages in the Book of Revelation?

Is Revelation chapter 20 another example of “Recapitulation”?



Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev_18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.


Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Judgment Before the Great White Throne.

Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.





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