Your Core Belief(s)!

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
Are these your words?

Are you human?

How do I know?

Funny

If you do not care to have a rational discussion, please say so.... I'll ask again:

I trust we agree that humans wrote the Bible? Above and beyond this, is it [even possible] the Bible was [not] given by some external source? But instead, written by humans, and humans alone; just like every other book for which you reject as god's word? It's a (yes or no) question really.

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
You don't believe yourself to be anything other than human?

How about me?

No.

Tone · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
Funny If you do not care to have a rational discussion, please say so.... I'll ask again:

I trust we agree that humans wrote the Bible? Above and beyond this, is it [even possible] the Bible was [not] given by some external source? But instead, written by humans, and humans alone; just like every other book for which you reject as god's word? It's a (yes or no) question really.

I'm not trying to be funny.

We are talking about words, are we not?

You want to know how I know the Bible is God's Word...yes?

How do we know that any words are anybody's words?

Tone · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
No.

Well, what if I told you that I am AI.

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
These words you see on the screen...are they human?

Please stop with the games. If you care to reduce this entire conversation to 'nothing can be proven', then I guess this will go NOWHERE fast.

Let me nip this line of 'reason' in the bud... What degree or level of confidence do you conclude that the Bible is the Word of God, and why?

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
Well, what if I told you that I am AI.

Post #65.

Quite honestly, I see what you are saying.

However, I gather you are more-so doing this to avoid an uncomfortable line of questioning

Tone · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
Please stop with the games. If you care to reduce this entire conversation to 'nothing can be proven', then I guess this will go NOWHERE fast.

Let me nip this line of 'reason' in the bud... What degree or level of confidence do you conclude that the Bible is the Word of God, and why?

Well, if these words on screen are human. How did they come to us?

Via AI, yes?

*Is everything we make also human...like my ebike?

Tone · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
Post #65.

Quite honestly, I see what you are saying.

However, I gather you are more-so doing this to avoid an uncomfortable line of questioning

I'm quite comfy, thanks.

NBB · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
I have to re-address the OP and EWS. Is it even possible your 'inward witness' and 'experiences with the Spirit' could be something other than God?

EWS, in a nutshell, exposes that any/all felt/perceived 'external causes' can have an infinite number of plausible answers. So why are you so hasty to conclude that all such 'feelings' are from your believed upon God, verses the many other plausible options?

Its just another atheistic argument, you won't get it unless happens to you.
That EWS thingy doens't make sense for someone that got something from God time and time again.

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
I'm not trying to be funny.

We are talking about words, are we not?

You want to know how I know the Bible is God's Word...yes?

How do we know that any words are anybody's words?

Because we likely already both agree humans exist. Because we likely both also agree that humans have the ability to write words.

However, we do not agree on the topic of God, for which is why I ask...

Why should I assume that the Bible was written by anyone else but mere human beings?

Tone · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
Let me nip this line of 'reason' in the bud... What degree or level of confidence do you conclude that the Bible is the Word of God, and why?

To the 33rd degree...I guess. Because that's a significant number...isn't it?

Why?

Power.

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
I'm quite comfy, thanks.

Of course you are. You are not answering the questions

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
To the 33rd degree...I guess. Because that's a significant number...isn't it?

Why?

Power.

Can you please elaborate on the 'power' part?

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

NBB said:
Its just another atheistic argument, you won't get it unless happens to you.
That EWS thingy doens't make sense for someone that got something from God time and time again.

Who says I'm an atheist? Maybe I'm a deist? How does your assertion ring true for the deist? Thus far, it looks as though you have given no reason to take stock in what you say. Again, if you feel you have had 'inward witnessing', how are you to distinguish this felt contact from God, verses an infinite number of alternative reasons?

Are all felt 'inward witnessings' actually from God, or just some, or very few? Please explain to the curious, how one might know such contact is not only from an external force, but your specific sighted external force?

Tone · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
Because we likely already both agree humans exist. Because we likely both also agree that humans have the ability to write words.

However, we do not agree on the topic of God, for which is why I ask...

People agreeing has never been a really great criterion for getting to the truth.

Tone · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
Can you please elaborate on the 'power' part?

The words contained within are powerful.

Hebrews 4:12
"12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
People agreeing has never been a really great criterion for getting to the truth.

I would absolutely agree. No pun intended there. Agreement does not render truth. But as I point out, you and I likely agree that humans exist, and humans write stuff. Thus, the point becomes moot to debate. We disagree that "God inspired the Bible."

What IS the demonstrated truth, that the Bible was written by anything other than humans?

Tone · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
What IS the demonstrated truth, that the Bible was written by anything other than humans?

Prophecy. Unless, we disagree that humans haven't mastered time travel.

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
The words contained within are powerful.

Hebrews 4:12
"12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

You just offered up a complete tautology

I asked you to explain 'powerful', for which you then state, "the words contained within are powerful."

Couldn't Hebrews have been written by humans, and humans alone? If not, why not?

cvanwey · Dec 3, 2020

Tone said:
Prophecy. Unless, we disagree that humans haven't mastered time travel.

Ah, here we go. Please offer up, what you perceive, as the best prophecy?

Tone · Dec 3, 2020

cvanwey said:
I asked you to explain 'powerful'

Definition of powerful

1: having great power, prestige, or influence, a powerful leader

The Bible is extremely (uncannily...extra-ordinarily so) prestigious, influential, etc...

And then I gave a verse which not only speaks of itself being so, but demonstrates it as such.

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