Does God Hate Witches?

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I'm asking you what your quotes mean and I'm asking you what my quotes mean in relation to the question that you posed, and then you accuse me of game playing, derailing, and avoiding an understanding?

No, friend. Let's deal with the meaning of those 3 verses FIRST. Since this is the THIRD TIME I ask you to tell your understanding of three simple verses, indeed, you ARE playing games to avoid having a conversation based upon mutual understanding.

Everyone reading this thread can see your deliberate evasions.
 
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I will give you my take even though you weren't asking me.

What I see mentioned is sorcerers, mediums, and necromancers - people who seek help from spiritual beings and particularly spirits of the deceased.

Revelation also mentions idolaters - people who seek help from gods and goddesses.

The mention of "liars" seems that it would include almost everybody.

The fact that all of us are sinners and thus have fallen short of the glory of God is important if we are able to establish what those three, now four verses that I quoted all mean in context

I do not plan to ignore those types of verses, but to look at them separately, and have no foundation such as the three verses I outlined in the OP is to avoid the very important context.

Here is another one of those important "context verses"

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.​
 
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I do not think that it is necessary to go that far back to find the antecedent of "you". Pronouns are most often very close to their antecedent. Look at the first part of chapter 3:

There is the "you" in verse 1, which refers to believers. And in verses, 3 and 4, Peter mentions the scoffers. Depending upon how one exegetes the referent to the pronoun, the one closest to the last "you" is scoffers, and to go further back, the referent is 'the beloved" in verse 1. Thus, there are two equally probable referents: "scoffers" and "beloved"

So you can see an alternative referent is equally valid?

Again, you need to go back to the beginning to see who you is.

But that aside, are you actually saying witches are believers?
 
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In another thread here, some posters became upset at me about things they wrongly assumed about me and other Christians in general. That is gone.

Therefore, I begin a new thread (having sought permission) I post this caveat as an official statement from the owners of this site:
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  • Mutual respect means that members will not mock, degrade or belittle each others' religious beliefs, or make posts that are disruptive to the peace and harmony of the forum.
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My aim is to answer using the Bible as much as possible, letting it speak for itself. Thus, i begin with an affirming statement:
Even if you are or were involved in the "occult arts" God loves you just as you are.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.​

It is the stated aim of God that all humanity should come to repentance and live with God in His abode, Heaven. In the face of that Scripture, to say differently is to blaspheme the name and purpose of God.

The "flip side"of that verse is that God loves you too much to let you stay where you are, especially if you do not have an intimate relationship with Him​

1 Thessalonians 5:
23 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 He who calls you is faithful; he will surely do it.
Notice the very good news here. If you permit Him to do so, He shall make you sanctified, meaning being able to live with Him in Heaven.

So there you have it. It is the entire Bible condensed in 3 verses.

May I ask what dog you have in this fight? I mean are you a witch or contemplating such, or do you know someone who is a witch so you need to justify things?
 
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The fact that all of us are sinners and thus have fallen short of the glory of God is important if we are able to establish what those three, now four verses that I quoted all mean in context

I do not plan to ignore those types of verses, but to look at them separately, and have no foundation such as the three verses I outlined in the OP is to avoid the very important context.

Here is another one of those important "context verses"

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.​
O.k. something worth discussing in John 3:17 is who would be condemning the world. The Trinity means that the Son is part of God, so I assume it would not be some other part of God who is condemning the world. Maybe the Father would be condemning, but another possibility might be Satan. Satan is my guess.

What's your thought?
 
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May I ask what dog you have in this fight? I mean are you a witch or contemplating such, or do you know someone who is a witch so you need to justify things?

You are simply jumping to absurd, improbable conclusions that have no basis in ANYTHING I posted here.
 
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You are simply jumping to absurd, improbable conclusions that have no basis in ANYTHING I posted here.

No, that is 100% wrong, I am merely asking a question, and the fact you evaded that question as you did, speaks for itself.
 
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The Trinity means that the Son is part of God, so I assume it would not be some other part of God who is condemning the world.

Since you believe that is "worth discussing" could you please create a new thread for it?
 
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No, that is 100% wrong, I am merely asking a question, and the fact to evaded that question as you did, speaks for itself.

You are attempting to establish something about a topic on which I have been silent. Therefore, you are merely guessing, projecting, and off topic. I AM NOT THE ISSUE. Scripture is the issue here. In advance, I thank you for your cooperation on this.
 
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Deliberately, I started with those verses for a reason. Very nicely, I am requesting that you and other posters FIRST deal with their interpretation of those 3 verses before we go off on rabbit trails in the woods.

That is not too much to ask, is it?

I thought this was going to be a discussion and not a "find the hidden agenda" rabbit trail, so I'll just move on then, thanks!
 
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Since you believe that is "worth discussing" could you please create a new thread for it?
o.k. we won't discuss that here. I'm having difficulty understanding what it is that you want to discuss, so I guess I will give up for now.
 
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I thought this was going to be a discussion and not a "find the hidden agenda" rabbit trail, so I'll just move on then, thanks!

No "hidden agenda" here. It is the obvious agenda of some to derail this away from my original intentions. I can use the words "obvious agenda" because so far, no one has attempted to deal with the meaning of those three verses in the OP.

I will say this, my intention is to create a very positive discussion about the nature and attributes of God, based upon Scriptures, which some are making obvious attempts to derail.
 
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You are attempting to establish something about a topic on which I have been silent. Therefore, you are merely guessing, projecting, and off topic. I AM NOT THE ISSUE. Scripture is the issue here. In advance, I thank you for your cooperation on this.

Your silence has spoken, and I had already left it at that.
 
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o.k. we won't discuss that here. I'm having difficulty understanding what it is that you want to discuss, so I guess I will give up for now.

Me too, but I can tell you what he doesn't want to discuss.

JohnT can you please tell us what you are expecting from posters here, as your OP was not exactly clear on that? Thanks.
 
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In another thread here, some posters became upset at me about things they wrongly assumed about me and other Christians in general. That is gone.

Therefore, I begin a new thread (having sought permission) I post this caveat as an official statement from the owners of this site:
  • C&WR is considered an outreach ministry of CF because building relationships based on mutual respect is key to sharing the gospel of Christ.
  • Mutual respect means that members will not mock, degrade or belittle each others' religious beliefs, or make posts that are disruptive to the peace and harmony of the forum.
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  • Remember that CF is first and foremost a Christian site. Do not make posts which violate our site wide blasphemy and promotion and proselytizing rules.
My aim is to answer using the Bible as much as possible, letting it speak for itself. Thus, i begin with an affirming statement:
Even if you are or were involved in the "occult arts" God loves you just as you are.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.​

It is the stated aim of God that all humanity should come to repentance and live with God in His abode, Heaven. In the face of that Scripture, to say differently is to blaspheme the name and purpose of God.

The "flip side"of that verse is that God loves you too much to let you stay where you are, especially if you do not have an intimate relationship with Him​

1 Thessalonians 5:
23 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 He who calls you is faithful; he will surely do it.
Notice the very good news here. If you permit Him to do so, He shall make you sanctified, meaning being able to live with Him in Heaven.

So there you have it. It is the entire Bible condensed in 3 verses.

Your are trying to address unbelievers with Bible verses addressed to believers, what does that accomplish.
 
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