Do you believe in the “caught up together” event in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17?

The “caught up” refers to the righteous.

Paul is focusing on the gathering of the righteous.

there is 1 judgement day when God will judge all of mankind.

Messiah is returning 1 time, and that is the time when he will judge all mankind, and reward the righteous with eternal life, and reward the wicked with death.

Acts of the Apostles 17:31
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Christian Gedge said:

If we want the biblical name its called the “resurrection.” But if we want to make a distinction between the dead and the living on that day, I have no problem saying that living believers are “raptured.” They are going up together; that’s the main thing.

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Actually both the rightious and unrighteousness will be resurrected on the last day of judgment so I don't think they are one in the same. I believe Paul was trying to settle the minds of those who were concered about their dead loved ones in Christ.

Bible Highlighter said:

There are a lot of folks who deny the Rapture altogether. They say the word “Rapture” is not in the Bible and thus it means there is no Rapture. I am here to say that there is an event that sounds a lot like the Rapture, but I am going to call it by it's biblical name.

The “caught up together” event.
If you don't believe this event is biblical, it can be found in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. The words “caught up together” is taken from the Bible.
Do you deny this passage or portion of Scripture?
Does it not sound like a Rapture event?
Even if the name Rapture does not appear in the Bible, the event in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 seems a lot like the Rapture.

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Yes I believe in the Rapture. "Rapture" is the Latin word Jerome used for harpazo (caught up). So it's in the Bible the Latin translation.

Bible Highlighter said:

There are a lot of folks who deny the Rapture altogether. They say the word “Rapture” is not in the Bible and thus it means there is no Rapture. I am here to say that there is an event that sounds a lot like the Rapture, but I am going to call it by it's biblical name.

The “caught up together” event.
If you don't believe this event is biblical, it can be found in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. The words “caught up together” is taken from the Bible.
Do you deny this passage or portion of Scripture?
Does it not sound like a Rapture event?
Even if the name Rapture does not appear in the Bible, the event in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 seems a lot like the Rapture.

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Paul is speaking to a group who are confused about how the dead and living in Christ will join Jesus Christ of Nazareth in the New Jerusalem. Similar to the parable of the ten virgins, He is met in the air and escorted back to the new earth. My take. Be blessed.

Berean Tim said:

Yes I believe in the Rapture. "Rapture" is the Latin word Jerome used for harpazo (caught up). So it's in the Bible the Latin translation.

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It is not in the original Greek. So, it is a man-made term that has no origin in Scripture.

Bible Highlighter said:

If you don't believe this event is biblical, it can be found in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. The words “caught up together” is taken from the Bible.

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One of the major problems with believing these verses pretain to a rapture is not continuing to read after 1st Thes chapter 4 straight into chapter 5. The subject is still the same. Paul is continuing the subject, not changing it. This wasn't originally a book with chapters, this was a letter he wrote to the Thessalonians. Knowing this, we should be reading the verses straight through, (as well as both books together as to not lose the context)

I Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
I Thessalonians 4:18 "Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

I Thessalonians 5:1 "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you

I Thessalonians 5:2 "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."
He clearly states that the event he is describing is the day of the Lord.

Also the word air in verse 17 does not mean air as in the sky, it's Greek word 109-aer and it means to breathe unconsciously, respire. It's the air we breathe in. Air as in up in sky is Greek word 3772 ouranos and it's from 3735 with the idea of elevation and to rise.

Bible Highlighter said:

Where does Scripture say that this event happens at the Second Coming of Christ?

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I just posted the verse, Paul called this event the day of the Lord and he goes on in 2nd Thessalonians and says that day "shall not happen....

Bible Highlighter said:

The beginning of 1 Thessalonians 5 refers to the Day of the Lord (Which clearly begins with the breaking of the 6th seal).

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Again, the subject never changes. No offense but that's just reading comprehension. If you take away the verses and chapters it would read and should read as the same subject.

Bible Highlighter said:

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump

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Paul says "we shall all be changed" at the last trump. That is the mystery. We will be changing from the flesh to the spirit in an instant. He says nothing about being taken from the earth.

JacksBratt said:

I full well believe in this event. It is not the "second coming of Christ" due to the simple fact that, at this time, Christ doesn't come to earth. He meets us in the air and we go back to heaven with Him for the marriage of the bride, the marriage feast and then we all return with Him at the second coming at the end of the tribulation.

Argue all you want. That's my view. If you study the traditions of a Jewish engagement, betrothal and wedding.. it fits quite nicely... IMO

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The problem with us meeting Christ in the air prior to it being the second coming is this …

Christ is currently sitting at the right hand of God (Colossians 3:1).

Christ remains seated until his enemies are made his footstool (Psalms 110:1).

The last enemy is death (1 Corinthians 15:26).

Christ can’t get up and meet people in the air for a rapture until death is no longer an enemy.

Bible Highlighter said:

Anyways, the period of time known as the “Day of the Lord” clearly starts at the breaking of the 6th seal based on Scripture.

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You started this thread about how you believe the verses in 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 pertain to a rapture so I responded to that. Do you not believe that Paul names this event the day of the Lord in chapter 5?

Bible Highlighter said:

I think those are your own inventions. Scripture says the last enemy to be destroyed is death (1 Corinthians 15:26). There is going to be another battle at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ, and the fire of God will come down from Heaven and consume God's enemies in that final battle. Then there is the final Judgment that happens after the Millennium. The wicked will face the second death. So until the wicked face the final death, and are destroyed as God's enemies, then death (the last enemy) will be destroyed (and it will not be before that point).

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I didn’t write the scriptures I just quoted them.

1. Christ is currently sitting at the right hand of God (Hebrews 10:12).

2. Christ remains seated until his enemies are made his footstool (Hebrews 10:13).

3. Christ reigns until his enemies are put under his feet (1 Corinthians 15:25).

4. Since Christ must both be seated and reign until the same condition of his enemies being put under his feet; he is in the seated/reigning position until this condition is met.

5. Christ will return at some point in the future, he will no longer be in the seated/reigning position, and his enemies will have been put under his feet at the time.

6. Christ will reign in the millennium (Revelation 20:6).

Conclusion: if the millennium is future to Christ’s second coming then he reigns, stops reigning, and reigns again; or ?

Can you tell me specifically at what point you disagree?

Bible Highlighter said:

I do not see that in Scripture. Sure, he follows up later in talking about the Day of the Lord,

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Follows up later?? Where is the scripture that says it's later? Again, this is a letter, not a book with chapters. You are reading the scriptures in chapter 4 and stopping. You need to continue reading into chapter 5, you'll see that Paul is continuing on and names this event the day of the Lord.

I believe that Christ only comes back one more time at the Second Coming -after the tribulation of those days just as he taught in the gospels.

We are not to know the day or the hour but we are to know the signs and the seasons so that day does not overtake us as a thief. We are watchmen.

Bible Highlighter said:

The beginning of 1 Thessalonians 5 refers to the Day of the Lord (Which clearly begins with the breaking of the 6th seal).

Signs Before the Period of Time Known As the
"Day of the Lord" or the "Day of Wrath":

The Sixth Seal: (Part 1):
(When These Signs First Appear, The Days of Vengeance Ends):

Sixth Seal Opened:

A Great Earthquake Happens, the Sun Goes Black, the Moon Turns Blood Red, Stars Fall From the Sky, the Heavens Shall Shake, the Waves of the Seas will Roar:

• Revelation 6:12-13

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casts its unripe figs, when it is shaken by a mighty wind.​

• Matthew 24:29

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken​

• Mark 13:24-25

But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.​

• Luke 21:25-26

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.​

• Acts 2:20

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:​

• Joel 2:31

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.​

Admonishments on the Coming "Day of the Lord":
(A clue on when Day of the Lord will occur and a warning against desiring it):

• 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 NLT

Now, dear brothers and sisters, let us clarify some things about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered to meet him. Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun.​

• 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come the falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed,​

• Amos 5:18

Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
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After the 6th seal, a lot of judgments still need to happen (like the trumpet and bowl judgments) before Christ can come back at the 2nd coming.

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You have not proved anything apart from you are not even addressing the core issue:

Can you give us one single Scripture that teaches your theory of (1) a rapture of the Church, (2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation, (3) immediately followed by a further coming of Christ?

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