In heaven, will we be without sexual desire...?

RDKirk said:

I've taken a poll. "Is there anything more satisfying to you than sex?"

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YES...

THE JOY OF THE LORD:

fozzy said:

So what body did Jesus have when he appeared to John in the Revelation? His eyes were like lamps of fire and his skin like burning bronze and his face like the sun at full strength. He didn't look this way immediately after his resurrection. Do you think it was the same body?

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It was a glorified body, which could walk through doors and walls. But its final stage of glorification, I suspect, is beyond our imagination, not attained until we reach heaven - since Jesus told Mary Magdalene not to touch him, as he had not yet ascended.

paul becke said:

It was a glorified body, which could walk through doors and walls. But its final stage of glorification, I suspect, is beyond our imagination, not attained until we reach heaven - since Jesus told Mary Magdalene not to touch him, as he had not yet ascended.

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I agree, same body with different appearances.

fozzy said:

I agree, same body with different appearances.

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then ..not "same"

michaelmynameIs said:

then ..not "same"

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Everyone that comes from heaven has a glowing or fiery appearance. Even Moses face started to glow after conversing with God. He had a mortal body and this still happened.

@michaelmynameIs:

Sean McDowell explains why "Heaven = non-physical" teachings can actually encourage backsliding:

"If you knew for certain that you only had three days left to live on Earth, how would you spend your remaining time? Recently I posed this question to a group of Christian high school seniors and their answers included sky-diving, traveling, surfing, and (of course) sex. I followed up with a simple question, “So you think there may be some pleasures and experiences in this life that if you don’t partake of them before you die, you may miss out in Heaven?” All but two of them said, “Yes.” Sadly, the prospect of Heaven had simply not captured their imaginations. Despite the unsurpassable majesty of Heaven, they thought there were experiences in this life that could be more fulfilling and exciting. Could the same be true for us? Is it possible that we have failed to capture the wondrous beauty of Heaven? Science-fiction writer Isaac Asimov writes, “I don’t believe in the afterlife, so I don’t have to spend my whole life fearing hell, or fearing heaven even more. For whatever the tortures of hell, I think the boredom of heaven would be even worse.”1 Sadly, this view is common even among Christians. Our vision of Heaven is often limited to an extended, boring, uninspiring church service. Somehow Heaven has not captured our imaginations and transformed our lives. How did this happen? Where did we get such a view of Heaven?
Lacking an eternal perspective can set us—and in particular, young people—up for discouragement and sin. So many of us think there are certain pleasures that if we don’t experience them now, we may never. Since God will forgive us, why not indulge? Missing the truth can have disastrous consequences in this life."

Bobinator said:

Sex is of the flesh. And sexual urges change significantly as one gets older, or are you too young to know that? So what would make anyone think the spirit would have need of sex, much less the desire!? Please don't tell me you expect to make little Caspers in heaven.

The only ones who will make babies are those who are left on this earth when Jesus comes back, and those who are part of the first resurrection that will rule and reign with Christ on Earth for a thousand years.

Sorry to disappoint you.

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But why? Why don't those with glorified bodies have offspring? How come the glorified bodies don't have offspring as the Millenial saints? Will the Millenial saints continue to have offspring after the second resurrection? If not, why? What are God's reasons?

RDKirk said:

However, as it is written: "What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared for those who love him. -- 1 Corinthians 2

As most women will tell you, there are better things than sex even in this world...how much more in the time to come.

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And maybe sex isn't that great afterall. Maybe romantic and sexual is lacking in some good qualities of the overall four types of intimacy or whatever: physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual.
Romance is not perfect. Not only is it not perfect, in the sense of being tainted by sin, but it's not the greatest it could be. It's just a piece of a larger complete primary/main/biggest pleasure. So maybe it's not more wonderful in every way than familial relationship. Maybe there will be a higher form.
The three types of relationships: familial, frienship, and romantic (the third of which may not be in heaven I don't know why)... maybe there's a new, fourth type of relationship in heaven that's neither of these. Except there may not be romance in heaven, leaving the other three.
It's not my consistent belief, but I feel that there will be no friends, family, or romantic partner, but hold on! What I mean is that there's a general relationship with the saints and with God will be something greater than either of these.
Perhaps the relationship with the saints is a superset of romantic. At least the relationship with the saints and Christ together. Every good pleasurable quality of romance and sex will be in heaven, some that will be in a relationship with the saints that is not with an unmarried partner on Earth, while the rest will be reserved to be in the relationship with Christ
Christ is male, so the idea of marriage of the lamb, doesn't help those that fear missing out on marriage and romance. Same sex. Correct me if I'm wrong. Will Christ be as different from men as from women? Will he be a third gender or a whole different thing?
Guys and girls appreciate each other for being opposite. Will we have different relationships with the opposite gender from with the same gender?

Neogaia777 said:

Simple question: In heaven, will we be without sexual desire...?

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No sexual desire
the thoughts of desire are carnal
Matthew 16:23But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you, are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
Peter thoughts are carnal

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
The idol mind sift you as wheat

Romans 8:6-10 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal thoughts of desire are enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
So then, those who is in the flesh cannot please God?
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness?

a new creature a new creation!
2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things become new.

Isa 43:18-19 — "Do not remember the former things, Nor consider the things of old. 19 Behold, I will do a new thing, Now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it? I will even make a road in the wilderness And rivers in the desert.

Rev 21:5 — Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

Isa 43:18-19 — "Do not remember the former things, Nor consider the things of old. 19 Behold, I will do a new thing, Now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it? I will even make a road in the wilderness And rivers in the desert.

Rev 21:5 — Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

Isa 65:17 — "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

Eph 2:15 — having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

Eph 4:24 — and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

Heb 8:13 — In that, He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away


The Mind of Christ
1 Corinthians 2:16 (NKJV) For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Ro 11:34 — "For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?"

Isa 40:13 — Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, Or His counselor has taught Him?

The New Creation has no desire only the desire to love

Not going to read all these pages. But I believe there is no sex in heaven for a variety of reasons. I believe we will be male and female, the verse quoted is in relationship to being saved, God doesn't care about your gender. But Paul asks us to refrain from getting married but do so if we can't control ourselves. In heaven, it will be so amazing, we won't need to control ourselves.

Just my thought.

TheWordIsOne101 said:

No sexual desire
the thoughts of desire are carnal
Matthew 16:23But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you, are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
Peter thoughts are carnal

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
The idol mind sift you as wheat

Romans 8:6-10 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal thoughts of desire are enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
So then, those who is in the flesh cannot please God?
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness?

a new creature a new creation!
2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things become new.

Isa 43:18-19 — "Do not remember the former things, Nor consider the things of old. 19 Behold, I will do a new thing, Now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it? I will even make a road in the wilderness And rivers in the desert.

Rev 21:5 — Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

Isa 43:18-19 — "Do not remember the former things, Nor consider the things of old. 19 Behold, I will do a new thing, Now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it? I will even make a road in the wilderness And rivers in the desert.

Rev 21:5 — Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

Isa 65:17 — "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

Eph 2:15 — having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

Eph 4:24 — and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

Heb 8:13 — In that, He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away


The Mind of Christ
1 Corinthians 2:16 (NKJV) For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Ro 11:34 — "For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?"

Isa 40:13 — Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, Or His counselor has taught Him?

The New Creation has no desire only the desire to love

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You know, I've been thinking that sex and it's excitement and passion and pleasure is just chaotic.

Yes, and you won't miss it, either.

Rather sweet deal, imho.

Will we be celestially castrated in heaven? How do I ask that question on Christian forums, and where on Christian forums?

Jonathan Dahlin said:

Will we be celestially castrated in heaven? How do I ask that question on Christian forums, and where on Christian forums?

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For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.--Matthew 19:12

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TheWordIsOne101 said:

No sexual desire
the thoughts of desire are carnal
Matthew 16:23But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you, are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
Peter thoughts are carnal

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
The idol mind sift you as wheat

Romans 8:6-10 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal thoughts of desire are enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
So then, those who is in the flesh cannot please God?
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness?

a new creature a new creation!
2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things become new.

Isa 43:18-19 — "Do not remember the former things, Nor consider the things of old. 19 Behold, I will do a new thing, Now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it? I will even make a road in the wilderness And rivers in the desert.

Rev 21:5 — Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

Isa 43:18-19 — "Do not remember the former things, Nor consider the things of old. 19 Behold, I will do a new thing, Now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it? I will even make a road in the wilderness And rivers in the desert.

Rev 21:5 — Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

Isa 65:17 — "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

Eph 2:15 — having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

Eph 4:24 — and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

Heb 8:13 — In that, He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away


The Mind of Christ
1 Corinthians 2:16 (NKJV) For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Ro 11:34 — "For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?"

Isa 40:13 — Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, Or His counselor has taught Him?

The New Creation has no desire only the desire to love

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Agape just seems boring. There's no passion involved with that. Just caring. Eros is just so pleasurable. Aren't eros and agape equal sides of a coin? Shouldn't all the four types of love (agape, philos, eros, storge) be in heaven? Aren't they all equal colors in a tetrachromatic color wheel? Don't they all complement each other eight-way?
I've been thinking that maybe sex is not that great (but sure, it's great for procreation). That sex and its pleasures are just chaotic. You know about how fornication hardens men's hearts? And how inappropriate contentography and masturbation make men withdrawn. Also, explosion, more like inflation of sexual... Whatever.
Sexual pleasure may be lacking on some things.
Made for Intimacy and Family — EQUIP mentions the four buckets.
Maybe sexual pleasure is just a piece of a greater pleasure in heaven. Maybe sexual pleasure is just that greater pleasure with the outer pieces missing. On the other hand, maybe there are some ugly qualities of sex that ought to be removed. Selfishness for sure, I'd say the animal drive isn't a good quality. Lust as well. Sexual pleasure without the lust, selfishness, and animal drive, maybe will be improved on and expanded or made part of a greater pleasure, (but not different parts) in heaven. You know what I mean?

Alithis said:

YES...

THE JOY OF THE LORD:

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But there's no bodily/physical pleasure involved with that.

What would be wrong with bodily pleasures in heaven?

Couldn't God have been a pantheon? I mean, one God represented by every object, not the humans, but every object?

Jonathan Dahlin said:

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Agape just seems boring. There's no passion involved with that. Just caring. Eros is just so pleasurable. Aren't eros and agape equal sides of a coin? Shouldn't all the four types of love (agape, philos, eros, storge) be in heaven? Aren't they all equal colors in a tetrachromatic color wheel? Don't they all complement each other eight-way?
I've been thinking that maybe sex is not that great (but sure, it's great for procreation). That sex and its pleasures are just chaotic. You know about how fornication hardens men's hearts? And how inappropriate contentography and masturbation make men withdrawn. Also, explosion, more like inflation of sexual... Whatever.
Sexual pleasure may be lacking on some things.
Made for Intimacy and Family — EQUIP mentions the four buckets.
Maybe sexual pleasure is just a piece of a greater pleasure in heaven. Maybe sexual pleasure is just that greater pleasure with the outer pieces missing. On the other hand, maybe there are some ugly qualities of sex that ought to be removed. Selfishness for sure, I'd say the animal drive isn't a good quality. Lust as well. Sexual pleasure without the lust, selfishness, and animal drive, maybe will be improved on and expanded or made part of a greater pleasure, (but not different parts) in heaven. You know what I mean?

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Most people grow beyond a need for sexual pleasure even before they die.

pescador said:

Adam and Eve weren't married.

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I wish that were the case so that sex wouldn't require marriage and sex would therefore be in heaven. Sadly, it's not. Matthew 22:30 ends something that was part of the perfect creation.
Why aren't men and women sexually attracted to each other in heaven, not even without having offspring?

RDKirk said:

Most people grow beyond a need for sexual pleasure even before they die.

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Then what's the point of getting married and having sex?
St. Augustine defeats the point.
It defeats the point to get married and have sex if men can do away with their passion for women.
Why doesn't God give men and women sexual/romantic attraction to the opposite gender in heaven, not even just for the purpose of pleasure and not to have children? C.S. Lewis says that what is no longer needed for biological purposes may be expected to survive for splendor. I don't know what book that's in.
Why can't we get all the pleasure of getting and married and having sex without sacrificing the freedom of being single and undivided interest in God? The best of both singleness and marriedness? The best of both sex and celibacy? Couldn't that all be in heaven, different from on Earth?
Matthew 22:30 does away with something that God created (Genesis 2).

Jonathan Dahlin said:

Then what's the point of getting married and having sex?

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Children and their care. That's true across all species.

St. Augustine defeats the point.
It defeats the point to get married and have sex if men can do away with their passion for women.
Why doesn't God give men and women sexual/romantic attraction to the opposite gender in heaven, not even just for the purpose of pleasure and not to have children? C.S. Lewis says that what is no longer needed for biological purposes may be expected to survive for splendor. I don't know what book that's in.
Why can't we get all the pleasure of getting and married and having sex without sacrificing the freedom of being single and undivided interest in God? The best of both singleness and marriedness? The best of both sex and celibacy? Couldn't that all be in heaven, different from on Earth?
Matthew 22:30 does away with something that God created (Genesis 2).

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Why can't God give us the pleasure of playing Pong for all eternity? That's an equally valid question.