Is There A Difference between Apostle and Disciple?

chad kincham · Nov 26, 2020

RickReads said:
Judas was never saved. He was only given to serve his dark purpose. That`s why Jesus said it would have been better for Judas if Judas had never been born.

Then Jesus lied when He said Judas was given to Him by the Father before He lost him.

And Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the unsaved, since all 12 were given the HS.

And Jesus enabled Judas to cast out demons though unsaved.

I recall when someone in the NT tried to cast out a demon who wasn’t Christian and not only did he fail to cast it out, the demon attacked him and he fled away naked.

RickReads · Nov 26, 2020

chad kincham said:
Then Jesus lied when He said Judas was given to Him by the Father before He lost him.

And Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the unsaved, since all 12 were given the HS.

And Jesus enabled Judas to cast out demons though unsaved.

Jesus lied according to you. According to scripture, Jesus knew from the beginning who would betray Him. The fact that Judas did the same works as the others makes no diff. Try reading the gospel someday. Might help you.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

Sorry Judas, He never knew you.

Jaxxi · Dec 2, 2020

Agallagher said:
Hello you,

When Jesus Christ chose his disciples, who ended up being hand picked by Yeshua, the Apostles, where they the ones given an authority to perform miracles? (This is excludes the later chosen disciple - that was cast lots for joining in with the group.)

Is there a difference between an Apostle and Disciple?

Were the 12 Jewish hand picked Apostles different than everyone else because they had been chosen; predestined?

A disciple is one taught by Jesus and an Apostle is someone with the Authority of the One who sent Him. In a sense, Jesus is an Apostle of God, as well as the Son and our Lord. I think because they had the Holy Spirit, THAT was the authority given unto them in Jesus absence which is why we cannot be Apostles but merely saints or servants.

mlepfitjw · Dec 2, 2020

Jaxxi said:
A disciple is one taught by Jesus and an Apostle is someone with the Authority of the One who sent Him. In a sense, Jesus is an Apostle of God, as well as the Son and our Lord. I think because they had the Holy Spirit, THAT was the authority given unto them in Jesus absence which is why we cannot be Apostles but merely saints or servants.

I really like the way you put this Jaxxi. Thank you so much for your response. It was very easy to read and understand.

Am tired from work, Jesus was looked at like a prophet and your saying Jesus was an Apostle from God is fascinating.

chad kincham · Dec 2, 2020

Agallagher said:
Hello you,

When Jesus Christ chose his disciples, who ended up being hand picked by Yeshua, the Apostles, where they the ones given an authority to perform miracles? (This is excludes the later chosen disciple - that was cast lots for joining in with the group.)

Is there a difference between an Apostle and Disciple?

Were the 12 Jewish hand picked Apostles different than everyone else because they had been chosen; predestined?[/QUOT]

Apostle means messenger.

An apostle does the teaching, a disciple does the learning.

The 12 apostles are also called disciples of Christ, because He was always teaching them - they were both teachers and students.

Mat 11:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.

chad kincham · Dec 2, 2020

Jaxxi said:
A disciple is one taught by Jesus and an Apostle is someone with the Authority of the One who sent Him. In a sense, Jesus is an Apostle of God, as well as the Son and our Lord. I think because they had the Holy Spirit, THAT was the authority given unto them in Jesus absence which is why we cannot be Apostles but merely saints or servants.

Apostle means messenger - there are messengers today:

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Shalom.

Der Alte · Dec 2, 2020

Agallagher said:
I really like the way you put this Jaxxi. Thank you so much for your response. It was very easy to read and understand.
Am tired from work, Jesus was looked at like a prophet and your saying Jesus was an Apostle from God is fascinating.

Hebrews 3:1
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Jaxxi · Dec 2, 2020

Christianity.com says "The word "Apostle" means "messenger; one who has been sent." The 12 Apostles were messengers sent into the world for a fixed purpose, with specific instructions from the Lord. Jesus called them, ordained them and sent them into the world even as His Father had sent Him."

Jesus is YHWH · Dec 3, 2020

chad kincham said:
Apostle means messenger - there are messengers today:

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Shalom.

There are no "messengers" as in Apostles in Ephesians 4:11. They died out after John. An office of an Apostle was one who has seen in Person the Resurrected Lord and was appointed by Him.

Luke 1:1-2
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.

Acts 5:29-32
Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men! 30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead — whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. 31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."

1 Cor 15:3-8
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

1 Cor 9:1
Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?

Acts 1:22
beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection."

Acts 22:14-15
14 "Then he said: 'The God of our fathers has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from His mouth.

Acts 22:17-18
17 "When I returned to Jerusalem and was praying at the temple, I fell into a trance 18 and saw the Lord speaking. 'Quick!' he said to me. 'Leave Jerusalem immediately, because they will not accept your testimony about me.'

Acts 22:21
21 "Then the Lord said to me, 'Go; I will send you far away to the Gentiles.'"

Gal 1:1
Paul, an apostle — sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ

hope this helps !!!

chad kincham · Dec 3, 2020

Jesus is YHWH said:
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.

Acts 5:29-32
Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men! 30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead — whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. 31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."

That’s only saying that the original apostles were eyewitnesses - of course they were - but that obviously doesn’t mean that the definition of apostle is one who’s an eyewitness, only.

If being an apostle was limited to the 12 only, and the office of apostle was closed, Paul would have left it off the list he gave to the Ephesians church of the offices God gave to the church.

Jesus is YHWH · Dec 3, 2020

chad kincham said:
That’s only saying that the original apostles were eyewitnesses - of course they were - but that obviously doesn’t mean that the definition of apostle is one who’s an eyewitness, only.

If being an apostle was limited to the 12 only, and the office of apostle was closed, Paul would have left it off the list he gave to the Ephesians church of the offices God gave to the church.

Paul was an eyewitness read the scriptures I posted

Fervent · Dec 4, 2020

This question seems to center on the question of authority, so we must first turn to Jesus on how we are to handle questions of authority.
5 But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. 26 It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever would be first among you must be your slave, 28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.(Matthew 20:25-28 ESV)
How do we apply this to the question of "apostle" vs "disciple"? It seems the foundational question that applies today is more "who has the highest authority in the church?" or to make it personal "Who has authority over me?" Yet the question seems contrary to the spirit of Jesus' words, as such a hierarchy would resemble that of the gentiles with squabbles for power rather than the desire to be a servant. If we were to live by Jesus' words, it seems as though we would defer to others rather than trying to assert our own authority in any sense. So the distinction between "disciple" and "apostle" cannot be a matter of authority, at least not one that could be exercised. Instead, it seems the principle difference refers to one of task. An "apostle" has a mission to which they are sent, whereas a "disciple" is simply tasked with learning. Whether there is a class distinction between the original apostles and those called to be disciples, that's for God to know.

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