Answering Atheists: Does God Exist? - The Design of the Universe

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It's about imagination. No one thinks they have the answer, and that's kind of the point. So just attacking someone on this completely misses the greater point they are making.

No one was attacked. That's a product of your imagination. I'm sorry if you feel that facts attack your imagination.
 
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No one was attacked. That's a product of your imagination. I'm sorry if you feel that facts attack your imagination.

I actually forgot what this post is about. But bringing up your 'facts' is kind of the definition of being attacked.
 
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Forgot the content.

So you first commented on the video yesterday; then you stated that it was attacking someone today. You're false claim, is soundly refuted. 44 minutes elapse; and you forget what the video was about?

Interesting. Thank you for sharing.
 
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So you first commented on the video yesterday; then you stated that it was attacking someone today. You're false claim, is soundly refuted. 44 minutes elapse; and you forget what the video was about?

Interesting. Thank you for sharing.

I guess. I still got the general message, though.
 
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I guess. I still got the general message, though.

Well again, I'm sorry if you feel that scientific fact is an attack on your imagination. Science inspires my imagination.

This thread is about facts, not imagination.

Again, thank you for sharing.
 
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Well again, I'm sorry if you feel that scientific fact is an attack on your imagination. Science inspires my imagination.

This thread is about facts, not imagination.

Again, thank you for sharing.

How is science not imagination? It is kind of the defining thing.
 
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How is science not imagination? It is kind of the defining thing.

We're off topic now. You might want to watch the video again, to refresh yourself on the topic of this thread.
 
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"Dominant and mainstream model of the universe". Am I supposed to take that seriously?

If you prefer your imagination over the empirical evidence; that's your prerogative. You might consider starting a thread on that topic.
 
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If you prefer your imagination over the empirical evidence; that's your prerogative. You might consider starting a thread on that topic.

What I'm saying is it's all imagination. Your 'empirical evidence' is no exception.
 
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If I claim that a lot of birds flew around and made a tornado that destroyed one wall of my barn... some folks might say "well the odds of that being true are very tiny".

The insurance agent says "no I think it is more likely you backed your tractor into the barn and destroyed that one wall".

Then I say "well how many alternate universes would I have to imagine to take those odds and finally make it probable". Then they say "10 billion"... so then I respond: "fine. done! I just imagined them".

"So now we have a Mexican stand off"???

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Multiple or even infinite universe speculations are a "necessary fiction" for the atheist confronted with the problem presented in the OP. It is "Made necessary" with the observation that 1 in 10^120th power is too much fine tuning to be chalked up to "lucky chance".

"Necessary fiction" is not the same as "observed reality" or even "testable reality". They take what is obviously an impossibility and "imagine it to be possible" by first "imagining" 10^150 multiverses

Agreed, all the improbability arguments have already been conceded by the flying spaghetti multiverse:

i.e. the only remaining way to probabilistically fluke this world, is with an infinite number of random rolls of the dice (if you are somehow granted those)

I agree with Krauss on Hawking's multiverse theories 'if your theory requires an invisible infinite probability machine, it is not entirely clear that you even have a theory'
 
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What I'm saying is it's all imagination. Your 'empirical evidence' is no exception.

For one to claim that it is all imagination, would be to claim that nothing exists outside of imagination. This assertion would further necessarily posit that nothing is created outside of imagination, therefore elevating one's self as the Creator. This is self deception. If you believe that you conjured up this lesson in your imagination; then consider me to be the malakh in your head, alerting you to humble yourself before YHWH.

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For one to claim that it is all imagination, would be to claim that nothing exists outside of imagination. This assertion would further necessarily posit that nothing is created outside of imagination, therefore elevating one's self as the Creator. This is self deception. If you believe that you conjured up this lesson in your imagination; then consider me to be the malakh in your head, alerting you to humble yourself before YHWH.

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You're assuming what I'm talking about is stupid. I have every faith in God. I just don't question his power.
 
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