Biden's economic plan requires Socialism.

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Government can't afford to insure everyone without seriously limiting medical services.


We (in Australia) seem to manage this without any real difficulty and our healthcare system is rated as better than yours.

We even live longer than you do.

OB
 
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That's wrong. The definition of Socialism is NOT that it's a government that does something, anything. ;)

I didn't say that. Just that a government with no socialist policies whatsoever would be effectively impotent, with no tax revenue.
 
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Do stop. We've heard that one so many times and it's never been true. That is NOT what distinguishes Socialism from other forms of government.
Neither is the economic plan outlined in the article quoted in the OP, and yet we still have this thread.
 
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Government can't afford to insure everyone without seriously limiting medical services.
As opposed to what - our current system where unlimited medical services are easily available to everyone at a low, low cost?

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good here.
 
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No really, if you’re going to discuss it, surely you can share how you define it?

It's collectivism. All production is gathered into one pot then ladled out to all equally, after the state ladles out most of it for themselves. Not a good system.
 
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We (in Australia) seem to manage this without any real difficulty and our healthcare system is rated as better than yours.

We even live longer than you do.

OB

You are fortunate for sure.
 
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By this definition we're hard-core socialist now - I mean, we have government-issued money and everything.

Come on, you can't be serious.

The government prints money to fuel capitalism and free enterprise, not socialism.
 
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As opposed to what - our current system where unlimited medical services are easily available to everyone at a low, low cost?

When did this happen?
 
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It's collectivism. All production is gathered into one pot then ladled out to all equally, after the state ladles out most of it for themselves. Not a good system.
Its also an economic system that has no connection to the plan laid out by President Elect Biden, no matter how hard you try to read the entirety of Das Kapital or What is to be done? in to one commonly used phrase.
 
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Its also an economic system that has no connection to the plan laid out by President Elect Biden, no matter how hard you try to read the entirety of Das Kapital or What is to be done? in to one commonly used phrase.

I didn't say Biden's plan was communistic. However, in order for his plan to succeed it will require socialism.
 
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I didn't say Biden's plan was communistic. However, in order for his plan to succeed it will require socialism.
Not in the universe we currently exist in.
 
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Not in the universe we currently exist in.

That's why his plans will fail. Americans aren't ready to share their hard earned money with the indolent.
 
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That's why his plans will fail. Americans aren't ready to share their hard earned money with the indolent.
But enough about our farm subsidizes.

Going back to what I actually posted, the plans of the president elect do not involve implementing socialism not matter how hard you harp on a feel good empty phrase within them.
 
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That's why his plans will fail. Americans aren't ready to share their hard earned money with the indolent.
Right, so we're back to where we always were--that "socialism" is just a word that means giving your hard-earned tax dollars to people whose lifestyle choices you disapprove of.
 
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Right, so we're back to where we always were--that "socialism" is just a word that means giving your hard-earned tax dollars to people whose lifestyle choices you disapprove of.
Like multi million dollar farming operations, oil companies, coal companies, oh wait thats different because, reasons.
 
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I didn't say that. Just that a government with no socialist policies whatsoever would be effectively impotent, with no tax revenue.
That mistake is what I was attempting to address in the previous post. The definition of Socialism is not "there is some government in existence."

If the government does anything at all, you appear to me to be are saying that this makes that government Socialist or at least partly Socialist. It doesn't.
 
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It's collectivism. All production is gathered into one pot then ladled out to all equally, after the state ladles out most of it for themselves. Not a good system.
Using your definition of communism, I don’t see how “handouts” to the disadvantaged is automatically communism. It does not require the government to collect all production and distribute it equally. We give people “handouts” now, under a clearly capitalistic system.
 
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That's why his plans will fail. Americans aren't ready to share their hard earned money with the indolent.

What would you call it when the American taxpayer effectively foots the bill in terms of shoring up the federal tax base that is not contributed to by a giant corporation like Amazon, which didn't pay anything in 2017 and 2018 (and actually received a refund of $129 million in 2018, thanks to tax credits and deductions)?

It'd be hard to call Amazon "indolent", but surely before making claims about who Americans are willing to share their hard-earned money with, a wider net should be cast than just "myself or the dirty rotten so-and-so's who refuse to work". I'm willing to bet that if you asked the average American worker if they were willing to contribute more so that mega-corporations wouldn't have to pay any (or so that other mega-corporations could get away with paying poverty level wages to the point that their employees need to be on federal assistance despite working full-time jobs, as is the case with regard to Walmart), they'd say no. You need only look at how the article on Amazon at the first link begins to get a sense of that -- and that's a story about them finally paying taxes!
 
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