Do You Believe All Will Be Resurrected Bodily?

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I have done none of those things. I only asked if you had considered 1 Corinthians 15 as a part of
your conclusions on the matter. You wanted nothing to do with it, so be it. It is a good read, and
precisely on point for the topic.

never know about people sometimes what they may say or do. It was just a general saying in case someone did cause it’s happened before not here though. They seem pretty relaxed.

1 Corinthians 15. Tells you you will get a spiritual body after this life. From what I can remember when I was taught it. Good night thank you for the question.
 
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no I’m just telling you what I believe.

Jesus Christ has completed everything in my view. Some think that is kind of crazy, thinking but ah... where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.

thank you for your help, though minister, — for me, that Bible is done and completed.

Truly liberating thought about the Spirit of Christ and how we can have freedom with Him.

Adios, and God bless you and your families.
even is everything is completed it has nothing to do with His Bodily Resurrection. Are you open to discuss the Resurrection ?
 
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even is everything is completed it has nothing to do with His Bodily Resurrection. Are you open to discuss the Resurrection ?

No, @Jesus is YHWH I already know Jesus was risen again by God and came up again. Thank you though, teaching me through your understanding won’t change my mind. Appreciate the kindness though.
 
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1 Corinthians 15:
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some
among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God
that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
No such thing as a one or two time event in the future called “the resurrection.” The biblical doctrine of resurrection teaches that there is immediate life after death in a physical body. Just not physical as we know it.
“And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.”
When a person dies they step out of their flesh and blood bodies on two feet. They have hands arms a head, eye and a mouth etc etc and go to their eternal destination. The doctrine of resurrection is not a doctrine of the molecules that make up a flesh and blood body coming back together some day and clothing our spiritual body again. It is a doctrine that is taught in opposition to all the fakery the world believes like materialism, reincarnation, soul sleep etc etc.

Now this does not mean that God does not raise flesh and blood bodies from the dead on occasion. Like Jesus’s. But just like English. The Greek word’s for resurrection, rise, risen are all used to describe different things and the context determines the exact meaning. The context determines whether it is speaking of the general doctrine. Or dead bodies coming back to life. Or if it is being used figuratively.
I have an article that proves all this beyond a shadow of a doubt if anyone is interested. Here is the link. Resurrection
 
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No, @Jesus is YHWH I already know Jesus was risen again by God and came up again. Thank you though, teaching me through your understanding won’t change my mind. Appreciate the kindness though.
I believe you and everyone else is on this forum to discuss their beliefs. It is an online discussion forum designed for that very purpose which is why you start threads and discuss them with others and participate.

But why would you not want to test your belief on the resurrection and defend it against the scriptures ?

1 Corinthians 1:17
After all Paul declares if Christ is not Risen from the dead you are still dead in your sins. So this is one of the most important things in all of scripture to get right is the Resurrection of Jesus.

So His Bodily Resurrection/Ascension is what Paul spends the entire chapter on in 1 Cor 15. He talks about various kings of " Bodies" in nature and then about the nature of the spiritual body.

Have you studied the word soma ?

Have you studied the word pnuematikos ?

Do you know how Paul uses those words in 1 Corinthians ?

These are very important things to know so that one can rightly divide the word of truth and avoid error especially on the most important doctrine in all of Scripture the Gospel at its core is the Resurrection of Jesus. This issue is Salvific as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:15-17.

hope this helps !!!
 
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I have an article that proves all this beyond a shadow of a doubt if anyone is interested.
Just out of curiosity, does your article explain this event? If so, I may be interested. Thanks.
Matthew 27:
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,
52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
 
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1 Corinthians 15:
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some
among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God
that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
Yes both the righteous and the unrighteous. This is the day of judgment.
 
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I believe you and everyone else is on this forum to discuss their beliefs. It is an online discussion forum designed for that very purpose which is why you start threads and discuss them with others and participate.

But why would you not want to test your belief on the resurrection and defend it against the scriptures ?

1 Corinthians 1:17
After all Paul declares if Christ is not Risen from the dead you are still dead in your sins. So this is one of the most important things in all of scripture to get right is the Resurrection of Jesus.

So His Bodily Resurrection/Ascension is what Paul spends the entire chapter on in 1 Cor 15. He talks about various kings of " Bodies" in nature and then about the nature of the spiritual body.

Have you studied the word soma ?

Have you studied the word pnuematikos ?

Do you know how Paul uses those words in 1 Corinthians ?

These are very important things to know so that one can rightly divide the word of truth and avoid error especially on the most important doctrine in all of Scripture the Gospel at its core is the Resurrection of Jesus. This issue is Salvific as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:15-17.

hope this helps !!!

my teacher done went over words with me.

All I know what is (mortal)corruptible dies/sleeps and what is incorruptible is raised again — the (immortal) spiritual body you build up while here on earth.


That’s all I know brother, and care to know. Thanks again.
 
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Spiritual body is not supposed to be flesh and blood, but it can be touched and touch and also go trhough walls, something flesh can't do, also eat ("great dinner", Jesus eating fish with the disciples) and to eat you need to grab the food, i imagine you could just fly through space if you wanted.
 
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Spiritual body is not supposed to be flesh and blood, but it can be touched and touch and also go trhough walls, something flesh can't do, also eat ("great dinner", Jesus eating fish with the disciples) and to eat you need to grab the food, i imagine you could just fly through space if you wanted.

Can regular, non-resurrected flesh Walk on Water or Pass through Hostile crowds untouched?
 
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Just out of curiosity, does your article explain this event? If so, I may be interested. Thanks.
Matthew 27:
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,
52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
Yep.
 
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Can regular, non-resurrected flesh Walk on Water or Pass through Hostile crowds untouched?

Of course. walking on water maybe was the power of God sustaining the body over the water, and crowds, lets say the power of God influenced them in some way or something, like when in the bible one army heard another army approaching and they left their camp runnning off in fear and left the israelites alone, God can do anything.

I guess he could make a person of flesh go though walls, but the bible say 'animal body dies, and we get an spiritual one' so its not going to be a body like this one we have on earth.
 
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Just posting the applicable portion as it pertains to my question, and your answer concerning
an explanation of Matthew 27:51-53 for forum review. Thanks.
One more example that is most likely along the lines of flesh bodies resurrected from the dead and afterwards being "swallowed up and transformed" by the power of the spiritual body, along the lines of Jesus, rather than Elijah or Enoch is Matthew 27: 51. And, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks broke; 52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many. It does not say all the saints who were buried rose, but many. My assumption is that these were saints that had recently died, but that may not be true. The fact of the matter though is this is a mass resurrection of physical bodies that I am assuming were then glorified like Christ’s. Once more we have a testimony of scripture does not line up with a statement of faith that the resurrection is a one time future event that happens at the end of the world. What is one to do with this scripture and others, ignore them? As a further note the wording "swallowed up and transformed by the power of the spiritual body" is not an attempt to create a doctrine or even explain what happened or how it happened. It is being used in the descriptive or illustrative sense to describe something beyond my understanding.

Explanation or Speculation?
 
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The Greek word’s for resurrection, rise, risen are all used to describe different things and the context determines the exact meaning. The context determines whether it is speaking of the general doctrine. Or dead bodies coming back to life. Or if it is being used figuratively.
John 5:
25
Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice
of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself.
Notice here "the hour is coming, and now is", this is being reborn in spirit. There is no use of the
word, raised, arose, or resurrected, and is not a resurrection.


27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

Now we see the hour is coming for a resurrection from the graves, to life, or condemnation, for this
resurrection pertains to the end of the age and to Judgment.




 
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Of course. walking on water maybe was the power of God sustaining the body over the water, and crowds, lets say the power of God influenced them in some way or something, like when in the bible one army heard another army approaching and they left their camp runnning off in fear and left the israelites alone, God can do anything.
I would agree.

I guess he could make a person of flesh go though walls,
I would also agree, as you said, God can do anything.

So there is really no evidence Jesus' Post resurrection/pre ascension body had any different attributes or capabilities than his pre cross Body did, is there? It is for sure a stretch to claim that Jesus' pre resurrection Body, the one that could walk on water and pass through hostile crowds untouched, was somehow Incapable of walking through walls as well. and of course His pre cross body could eat, be touched, etc....
Absence of evidence does not equate to evidence of absence.

but the bible say 'animal body dies, and we get an spiritual one' so its not going to be a body like this one we have on earth.

I would also agree, but there is really no evidence that Jesus' post resurrection/pre ascension Body is an accurate representation of the nature of OUR resurrection Bodies, is there? Since it was indeed Just like the one He had before the cross, wounds and all. I'm fairly certain you would not argue that our resurrection bodies will retain any wounds we may receive in death, Like Jesus' Body did?

Certainly it would be more accurate to say His post ascension, heavenly Body more closely resembles the attributes our heavenly, resurrection bodies will have, no?

Here's a few Biblical examples of THAT body:

Acts 9:3-5
3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”

Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

Revelation 1:13-15
13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters;

Revelation 5:5
5 But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.”

Revelation 5:6
6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

None of these depictions of Jesus' Heavenly Body resemble His earthly Body, either pre or post cross, in any way.

Clearly, some sort of appreciable change to Jesus' body took place in Acts 1:9 when "a cloud received Him out of their sight", for every depiction of Jesus' Body after that time bore no resemblance whatsoever to the Body He had prior to the cloud receiving Him.
 
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1 Corinthians 15:
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some
among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God
that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
Dan.12


  1. [2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
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I don't believe we will be in full/biological bodies. There are people who are born deformed, there are people in various countries that have a different physical set up because of their environments, while some are because of their nutrition. Additionally, the condition of a persons body appearance is also contributed to how healthy they are.
 
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The Greek word’s for resurrection, rise, risen are all used to describe different things and the context determines the exact meaning. The context determines whether it is speaking of the general doctrine. Or dead bodies coming back to life. Or if it is being used figuratively.
I have an article that proves all this beyond a shadow of a doubt if anyone is interested
I feel in order to accept "proven beyond a shadow of doubt", I have to accept when you feel a word
is being used figuratively, and your interpretation of context, and Greek usage. I find this untenable.
 
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I don't believe we will be in full/biological bodies. There are people who are born deformed, there are people in various countries that have a different physical set up because of their environments, while some are because of their nutrition. Additionally, the condition of a persons body appearance is also contributed to how healthy they are.
Good points all...

Will someone born with one arm get a resurrection body with only one arm?
If someone has their leg amputated, will their resurrection body have it re attached somehow?

Plus there is the generation old conundrum of organ transplants...
If I die and my heart gets transplanted into someone else... who's resurrection body gets that heart?
or Kidney, Lungs, Liver, Cornea...

Thankfully, Paul clarifies it for us. Our resurrection bodies will be brand new spiritual bodies that God gives us, and will no more resemble our earthly bodies than an acorn resembles a mighty oak tree:

1 Corinthians 15:37-38, 44
37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body....
44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
 
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Good points all...

Will someone born with one arm get a resurrection body with only one arm?
If someone has their leg amputated, will their resurrection body have it re attached somehow?

Plus there is the generation old conundrum of organ transplants...
If I die and my heart gets transplanted into someone else... who's resurrection body gets that heart?
or Kidney, Lungs, Liver, Cornea...

Thankfully, Paul clarifies it for us. Our resurrection bodies will be brand new spiritual bodies that God gives us, and will no more resemble our earthly bodies than an acorn resembles a mighty oak tree:

1 Corinthians 15:37-38, 44
37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body....
44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The bible talks about the great dinner, dinner its something human bodies do.
 
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